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Sandy Alderson tells Mets execs they can win 90 games

Sandy Alderson told team executives – including Fred Wilpon – that he thinks the Mets could win 90 games this year (Harper, Feb. 27).

“I think it has to be a mind set,” Alderson later told the Daily News. “Part of creating a winning environment is setting ambitious goals and working toward them. But it has to be systematic and it can’t be totally unrealistic. I don’t think it is in this case.”

Wilpon later said during the meeting, “We better win 90,” in response to Alderson’s bold statement (Harper, Feb. 27).

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

This is bold. But, you know what? Good. I know, I know, everyone is going to laugh at Sandy, they’re going to goof on his statement and list sensible — probably accurate — reasons why the Mets aren’t winning 90 games. However, I’m also bothered when he sets his sights on ‘competing,’ which is another way of saying, ‘A for effort.’ Similarly, Wilpon once talked about playing ‘meaningful games in September,’ which is a phrase that will never die.

So, when Alderson says he thinks the team can and should win 90, why is that a bad thing? As long as he truly believes he’s built a team that can do that, I say go for it. If it doesn’t pan out, if they fail that goal, try again. But, the idea that simply competing is an acceptable goal has never rubbed me the right way. I can go 0-162, but if I lost every game by one run I technically ‘competed.’ It’s a weak way of thinking and talking.

I’m glad Alderson is finally raising the stakes for his young team, regardless of whether fans and media think it’s unrealistic.

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scrubsdoc
scrubsdoc

'big lie'

noun: a false statement of outrageous magnitude employed as a propaganda measure in the belief that a lesser falsehood would not be credible   Origin:  1945–50  Example:  The New York Mets can win 90 games in 2014.  

amazagain
amazagain

The reality is that the Mets havent done enough to make a Red Sox-like turnaround. No protection for Grandy, huge question mark at 1B, no legit SS to start. To think that both Ike and Tejada will turn it around along with C.Young having a good year means that over 35% of your line up is a risk. Plus D'rnaud is no lock. So 1/2 your line up is hope?

metjetnet
metjetnet

This is what I want to hear from all of them! We're heading to the World Series! Period. If we don't, they damned well have to rip that out of our hands, game by game. It's not up to us to squander it & just give it away, in March of all things. You play to win or stay home. Fans, too. Demand the Series, and let the play on the field determine the end result & place in the standings...

steve333
steve333

We better win 90?

Sell the damn team and they will win 90

Bob G
Bob G

Go to espn they have a pole on how many games the mets win. 81% of the US said less than 79. 33% said less than 70.



NYISLES
NYISLES

That prediction is almost as laughable as the team Sandy has put together.

elchicano
elchicano

90 isn't crazy..we gotta get good again sometime.

surfers08
surfers08

The Mets are going to lose 90.. This is a joke! I'm sick of this GM and the owners..Enough Already!

Colon
Colon

Yeah.. love this.. until they win 70. 

Alex Fustinoni
Alex Fustinoni

WOW! i can't believe how many people are bashing this team!! And have absolutly no faith at all!! They are not that bad people!! We're going to have one of the best staff's in all of baseball and this offense is not that horrible! I mean c'mon, it's sad to think that all of you ripping this team will all be rooting for them come half way through the season if they're playing some good baseball. You shouldn't be able to say one word...

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Jim Bowden on MLB Network Radio's Inside Pitch feels that Alderson made a mistake by setting an unattainable goal for his team.  Bowden insisted that the Mets would have to sign Drew, Morales, and Santana in order to even get to 88 wins.

Not me, just what another media outlet opined.

Incidentally, they think the Mets current roster is only capable of 73-75 wins.

whitefish
whitefish

This team is better then people think ! There starting pitching right there with any team in NL east Ike Davis has real big reason to bounce back and grander-son Murphy and wright all solid .every one loves to hate on sandy but he's building a winning team for the future .its not hips fault Matt Harvey got hurt and it's not his fault there aren't any good options at SS .you can't pay a guy like Drew 14 mill a year he's not that good .better off waiting to see who becomes avail in trades as for him not paying peralta he's old and PEDS was never good until he failed PED test wow that's a shockers .i think 85 wins this year and next maybe 95

newyorker9
newyorker9

well if travis, flores, young, grandy, wright, ike have monster season I don't see why..i'm not even worried about the pitching

Nick Mougis
Nick Mougis

I love this.  


i also LOVE the leadership streak D.Wright has carved out for himself here over the last 3 years or so. 


Besides, what do you want sandy to say?  


Would you like him to be HONEST? - "i like our moves, but considering the ups and downs of the mlb season, we may win 77... that would be nice"


Would you like him to be UNREALISTIC? -  "if we hit all year and have no injuries, i think we can win the NL East?"


Or would you like him to be OPTIMISTIC - which is what he did by calling out 90 as a goal?  A challenging, but attainable goal??


Hell yeah.  90.  Go get em boys!   


-nm

Muhammed A. Gretzky
Muhammed A. Gretzky

I believe and can see it happening. The teams does like they are capable of 90 wins, for sure.

Tom Crimmins
Tom Crimmins

Hey, they won 90 games in 1984, which came completely out of the blue. So why not this team? Back in '84, it was the pitching that carried them (Gooden, Darling, etc.). Lineup included Straw and Keith and a bunch of also-rans. 

foley
foley

And a comment like this is why I don't worry too much about the shortstop situation.  A lot of posturing going on - but bottom line is the Mets didn't sign Colon, Granderson, Young to start the season with Tejada at shortstop.  Alderson's job is to put the team on the field on OPENING DAY.... not to reply to the screaming of incessantly whining fans about how a move must be made NOW... with a month to go.  Not one team's shortstop, shortstop prospect, or free agent has been moved that Alderson missed out on (not counting Peralta who I am sure with the way the market worked out the Cardinals regret signing to that contract).


If Tejada is the starting shortstop on opening day... well I've been as vocal as anyone that he is the weakest link on the Mets - then I'll start whining.


sell_dteam
sell_dteam

First of all, when brass speaks disaster is sure to follow...

Jeff, please remain silent! Talks about as if the team is fiscally solvent, they're not and more over irrelevant!

Fred, Please remain silent! "The team better win 90 games!" Are you kidding me??? You better spend MORE money, if not then the banks should force the Wilpons to sell!!! Invest in the team!

Now Sandy, Please refrain from speaking, especially with your double talk, double entendre. Enough of the euphemisms! Sorry guys but I've had enough with ownership/ brass. Enough is enough, talk is cheap. Action speaks louder than words. Better to remain silent, for every time they speak just leads to more and more embarrassing moments. This is in behalf of all frustrated Mets fans across the country not just in NY.

Rob Davis
Rob Davis

Scamdy is drinking too much spiked Kool aid with momma boys that drink the same Kool aid.  His this man looking at the Nationals or Dodgers.. IF they win 75 games with this team he should be happy.  Not stable at SS or C or even 1B.  The bullpen is going to be shaky and over used..

John John
John John

Wow, is Cerrone a cheerleader or a writer?  The reason the statement is ridiculous is because not only have they not gone out and signed players needed to be competitive, instead taking flyers on people like Dice-K, Lannan and CY, but they also refuse to put the best team they have on the field for financial reasons.  No need to look any further than Montero and Thor.  Will they come up when they're ready, or when their Super-Two status passes?  That's why it's ridiculous, you shill.  Grab your pom poms Cerrone1

mustang66
mustang66

let me put this very simply for Sandy. Get a shortstopyou condescending pompus a****** . And for you Fred, go back to the office and get youR stack of fives and hit the free agent list.if you're at 500 after 30 games, I'll break down and buy my tickets. Otherwise, not one thin dime. I haven't said negative thing the last 3 years. This was the year you were going to put up. Get a shortstop.

benmoz
benmoz

I'm not saying 90, but all the haters better watch out cuz the pitching staff is going to carry this year, and the offense will be at least average. This has worked for the Cardinals, giants, pirates.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Followed immediately by a large winged simian flying from his butt.

rico
rico

is that with or without Jon Niese?


Well, not as bad as Jim Dolan (knicks owner) publicly exclaiming that the Knicks will win a championship in 2013-14…(ouch)



aaar2d2
aaar2d2

Just read the title..I'll have what he's having.

Michael Stauffer
Michael Stauffer

...and I predict they will lose 100 games, which is probably closer to reality when compared to 90 wins

Mau Agudelo
Mau Agudelo

I think he is including spring training wins into the total

Pete Spaz
Pete Spaz

Well now, that's out there and he and
Wilpon can't take it back....

mustang66
mustang66

I just have one question. Over how many seasons is he talking about?

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

I don't know what to think.  Is it showing confidence?  Yes.  Is it being optimistic?  Yes.  Do I like it?  No.  It just seems that he thinks that the fan base is gullible, and will accept all of his moves as being positive ones.  It sounds like he is giving himself a big pat on the back for a wonderful job that he has done.


Can the Mets win 90 games this season.  Well IF....


Colon has a season like last year, and IF...Chris Young returns to the form he had three years ago, and IF...one or more of the starters returning from injury becomes a credible fifth starter, and IF...Jon Niese is not injured and improves from last season, and IF... Curtis Granderson can hit pitches out of CIti Field almost as well as he did in Yankee Stadium, and IF...Ruben Tejada can become a seriously competent starting shortstop, and IF...Daniel Murphy can improve his defense slightly, and IF...Travis d'Arneaud can hit as well as he did in the minors, and IF....Bobby Parnell can really become a reliable closer or the Mets catch lightning in a bottle with one of their reclaimation projects, and IF...the rest of the bullpen produces, and IF...Ike Davis and/or Lucas Duda can stand up and hit more than Manhattan's area code they might just win 90.  But that's a lot of IFs.



John John
John John

@Alex Fustinoni  We're all rooting for them to win.  We just don't like it when the owners lie to us and act like we're stupid.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Alex Fustinoni Whoa..wait there one second, and climb down from your high horse.

We're not saying the Mets or terrible, or that we don't want them to win 90 games, but let's understand something here.  We go into this season not knowing what kind of offensive production the Mets are going to get out of CF, LF, 1B, C, and SS.  We go into this season not knowing whether the Mets bullpen is up to the task.  We also go into this season not knowing what production we are going to get out of our #3 (presumably Colon) and #5 (presumably TBA) starter spots.  We don't even know whether the Mets SS and 1B have returned to their previous defensive abilities.

To say that Tejada will field as well as ever and hit .250 is wishful thinking.  To say that Davis or Duda will field well and hit .230 with 30+ home runs is wishful thinking.  To say Bobby Parnell will make it through the whole season with less than three blown saves is wishful thinking.  All of those things happen, and we might get to 90 wins.

90 wins would be nice, but wishful.  At this time, if you want to say that this team is capable of winning 90 games, you might as well say that this team is capable of going deep into the playoffs.

Speak to me next year when we know who our 1B and SS are and Harvey is back starting.  Then I'll be stoked and arguing that this team is capable of winning 90.

ifti99
ifti99

Our starting pitching does not compare to ATL or Wash. We have a 40 year old, a guy with a problem arm, Wheeler and question marks. It may be great in 2015, but there is no way you can make that claim today. Plus, our bullpen has been sub-par the last few years. Will 2014 be different? I hope so, but I don't see how you can be all that confident. 

ifti99
ifti99

@Muhammed A. Gretzky  Only if you include spring training. This team is marginably better than last year. If Niese or Colon bomb out, it's worse. 

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Tom Crimmins Wally Backman, Hubie Brooks, and Mookie Wilson were "also-rans"?  Brooks (.283/.341/.417 with 15 HR and 73 RBI) was part to the trade that brought Carter in from Montreal.  He started several years after that for the Expos.  Jose Oquendo played better at shortstop then Tejada has of late.

I guess you can say George Foster was an "also-ran" or "has been", but he hit 24 home runs and drove in 86 RBI.

Yup, I see that you would think that this team is better than the 1984 Mets, but they're not.

The 1984 Mets were the beginning of what should have become a Mets dynasty in the 1980's.  You should only wish this team had the same potential.  Check out the stats before you say something like that. 

Alex Fustinoni
Alex Fustinoni

Why would our BP be shaky and over used? Our rotation should have no problem going deep into games, especially with that OF defense that's going to be behind it every night.

I think all you negative people that have zero faith in this team are going to be pleasantly surprised, and I dont want to see you guys coming in here mid summer waiving your pom poms around saying "I knew it all along that this team had it in em!!! YEEAAAAHHH LETS GO METS" freakin fake a** fans!

Zach14
Zach14

God you reminded me how much I hate Dolan.

mustang66
mustang66

Dolan may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but at least he put his money where his mouth is

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

@flmetsfan You make some excellent points. But too many things have to go right for this team to even smell .500. Sandy's biggest failure was not signing a competent shortstop. Peralta would have been perfect. I have been a Met fan for 50 years. But I'm also a realist. 2015 should be a banner year. 2014 has the potential to be an unprecedented disaster.

Will Keesee
Will Keesee

@flmetsfan  dude, if all of the things you listed happen -- we'll win 120+ games and the world series. calm down.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

We have a 40 year old who won 18 games and had a 2.65 era last season, Im sorry who from ATL and WAS did that? No one? I thought so. Actually our rotation assuming its Wheeler, Colon, Niese, Gee, and Mejia can match up against any of the NL East rotations and beat them. Once Syndergaard comes up and Harvey comes back we will have 5 Ace like pitchers as a rotation.

Bob G
Bob G

@Alex Fustinoni  And when they win 70 will you come back and admit you're in dream land?

mustang66
mustang66

love to see the Mets win 90 games. Vegas has them winning 73. I highly doubt they will be off by that much.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Kenneth Meltsner @flmetsfanI'm a Met fan for 45 years.  You're right 2015 is the turn around year.  Everything got put off a year due to Harvey's injury and the Wilpon's finances.