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ICYMI: Sandy Alderson has yet to have meaningful trade talks with other GMs

This post originally appeared July 19, 2014…

Sandy Alderson indicated that he has yet to have significant talks with other GMs about potential trades, he told reporters in San Diego on Friday.

“It’s hard to say exactly what will happen on the trade market,” he said. “Honestly, I haven’t had a lot of conversations. So it’s not clear to me what the opportunities will be. We’ll just have to wait and see. My hope is things pick up a little bit as we get into the schedule after the All-Star break, and maybe even after this weekend. But right now we’re just kind of canvassing the possibilities.”

Earlier in the day, he said the Mets will not trade prospects for players in the final year of their contracts at the trade deadline (NY Post, July 18).

That said, while it’s possible he could trade away a veteran player for another team’s young players, he added, “It wouldn’t be our first choice, I don’t think, but it’s a possibility.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

No doubt, most fans will freak out over this and see it as Sandy sitting on his hands. The reality is that most GMs are called in when a legitimate opportunity develops. The preliminary work is mostly done by his staff, specifically John Ricco and J.P. Ricciardi’s team of player development people. They have ‘low level talks,’ as people say, to start, and if a match starts to materialize, GMs get involved to close the deal. So, Sandy’s above quote likely indicates no deal is close in a market that has been slow to develop in a meaningful way – probably because so many teams remain on the fence between in and out of contention. And, I’m sure this is the case for most teams at this point…




217 comments
Haig Mathosian
Haig Mathosian

The Chicago papers are saying that they're talking with the mets.....so someone is lying

For_Sale
For_Sale

The Giants just signed Dan Uggla.  Those who want to trade Murphy, that is one less trade partner.  

elcondor
elcondor

I like the job the GM is doing. I'm not going into his Hits and Misses be cause they have been posted before. He knows what this team needs, a young SS with good defensive skills, a Leftfielder who can hit and play defense, a.Second Baseman with good defensive skills and a good defensive FirstBasement. Do you see where I'm going ? This team will win in that ballpark with Pitching and Defense. I know it and the GM knows it. The Defensive 2B is already in the pipeline. So yes, be patient and let the GM do his job, thank you

xplr
xplr

Some of you guys miss the point. It's as if you just started following the Mets yesterday!


The point is, after 4 years, our team is not much better than when Sandy started. Yes, we have some developed prospects, but these are just what they are, prospects. We have no established players under Sandy except perhaps Lagares, who is better than average, but certainly not a star. I don't see any Reyes or Wrights in our starting lineup. The only thing we have is good young pitching. Sandy MUST deal for hitters, or we will never win. Now do you understand the level of frustration?

joe21
joe21

Reporter question: Sandy, what will happen at trade deadline?

Sandy answer: hard to say, it is quiet right now, but may pick up soon.


Met internet crowd light torches and sharpen pitchfork


I mean, good grief, simple question and reasonable answers sets off a firestorm. People are manufacturing outrage over nothing

bleck319
bleck319

Although necessary, improving the offense will be very challenging for Sandy.  The Mets have some offensive prospects, however, they are 2-3 years away from potentially contributing at the MLB level. 


The free agent class is very weak.  As everyone knows, left field is a desperate need for the Mets, however the best free agent available is Melky Cabrera, who will probably be given a 4-5 year deal worth $12-15 million per season.  Is that smart for the Mets given that Melky is not a game changer and his past with injuries and suspensions?  Maybe not.  The best shortstop available outside of Hanley, who the Mets should not give a $100 million deal given his injury history and age, is J.J Hardy.  Is Hardy worth a 4-5 year deal worth $12-15 million per season, which he is likely to get on the open market?  Probably not.


The best avenue for the Mets is through trading.  It is never ideal to trade young pitching, because you never know who will become injured and who will develop, but given the Mets depth that is probably the least worst option. 


If the Mets could trade Gee and a prospect like Nimmo for Starlin Castro, they should pull the trigger.  Castro is young, under a long-term contract for a reasonable rate, and provides a huge upgrade at a tough position to fill.  Gee is probably the odd man out next year due to Harvey and NS being added to the rotation.  Niese will not be traded because he is a lefty and deGrom is here to stay.  So the best option is to trade either Wheeler or Gee.  Given Wheeler's age and potential, it would be better to trade Gee.  There is enough depth to fill a spot in case of an injury with Montero, Matz and others in the wings.  And that still leaves Mejia, Familia, Black, Edgin, etc....for the bullpen.  The Cubs would probably not trade Castro for Gee straight up so including a prospect like Nimmo who is a few years away could be enough.


If the Mets trade for Castro and sign someone like Melky Cabrera, even if they overpay a bit, their lineup would be dramatically improved for next season.  I hate projecting lineups, but the team below does not look so bad:


Granderson RF, Lagares CF, Cabrera LF, d'Arnaud or KP C, Wright 3B, Castro SS, Murphy 2B, Duda 1B


Bench: Campbell, Tejada, E. Young, KN, Recker


Starting Rotation: Harvey, deGrom, Niese, Wheeler, NS


Bullpen: Mejia, Familia, Black, Edgin, Torres, Jack Leathersich, Montero or other minor leaguers or signed free agent veterans



flmetsfan
flmetsfan

They are standing pat.  No one is going to blow their socks off about Colon since he has an $11 million contract next year.  This organization is unwilling to part with any of their minor league talent, so I see nothing going on unless some team makes an offer for Gee (whom I like, but I think he is the odd man out).  After another irrelevant season, we will go into the off season hoping the Mets will do something.  They will make a token deal (since they will have the money from Young's contract coming off the books) during the Winter Meetings (perhaps for a scrap heap power hitter), and the roster will pretty much be the same next year.

In order to placate the fans, the Mets will talk up the return of Matt Harvey, the continuing development of Wheeler, and the emergence of Syndergaard.  They will say the d'Arnaud, Duda, and Tejada, have turned the corner.  The only people will be happy are the Wilpons since they will have a payroll under $90 million next season.

drmetfan
drmetfan

I want to see the Mets get in trade talks with the Indians. Any of their SS prospects, Lindor or Ramirez would be great for the Mets.

eric88
eric88

Please do not tell me about "the off season is the  best time to make certain deals. The last trade Sandy made in the off season was 4 years ago, when he got fleeced on the Pagan deal.

rico
rico

Wasn't this Blog entry from last week?

joe21
joe21

@Darrin A Williamson  as much as it is tempting to pursue Tomas based on recent Cuban defectors, there are many scouts that think he is a cut below the others and this is a position that they are trying to fill internally within 2 years (Nimmo/Comforto/Puello, etc) SS is something they will have to go outside the org for, but not sure Lowrie is answer and as much as I love all of the pitching, some will have to go because of blockage, so may as well use to acquire SS that is not hitting FA market soon.

joe21
joe21

@elcondor  Agreed, only would add that 2-way 2B may be soon in Herrara and LF may be Comforto/Nimmo. if other pieces are in place, Duda can play with platoon, so focus should be SS

joe21
joe21

@xplr  No

1. Sandy MUST have a trade partner, which he does not

2. it took Sandy 4 years to clear off Omar contracts

3. When Frank Cashen took over Mets, he told the front office that it will take time and his big trades didn't come until after his prospects were in place.

4. if it were that easy to trade for a WS winner, everyone would do.

5. much progress has been made and are down to 2 position players from full squad to go along with a crazy pitching staff.

6. those who are frustrated, lack the patience to build a sustainable winner.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@xplr I think the mets were forced to tear down the team, trade away large contracts and try to start from almost scratch.  I think the dealing for hitters comes this offseason.  If Harvey did not get hurt I think we would have traded away our pitching prospects for a hitter, but he decided to wait it out a year at our expense.  

For_Sale
For_Sale

@joe21 People just don't like SA.  They expect him to have retooled the major league roster by now.

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@bleck319 Castro has some severe defensive issues and has a negative defensive wins over replacement.


Considering the Mets already have a negative defensive 2B in Murphy, this will hurt the Mets up the middle.


I am no Castro fan at all because of this.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@bleck319 Your plan works if the Cubs take back very little for Castro.  Wheeler would be included in any trade for Castro as the Cubs are running on a parallel track in rebuilding, theirs is just built on position prospects instead of pitching prospects.  I don't think trading Gee away is good idea until we know that Harvey is on track, it is still too early in his recovery.  If Harvey is slow to rebound, we are going to need our pitching depth.  Degrom, Montero and Matz are the arms I trade.  I think the Mets need to target asdruball cabrera or jed lowrie as stop gap, professional major league players.  The Tejada backers will argue that those players are no better than him, but they have a track record of productivity.  I think the Dodgers have to be considered for our OF vacancies.  However i hate guessing out loud as well.  I just hope we are pleasantly surprised sooner rather than later.

eric88
eric88

@flmetsfan Currently the payroll is 76.5 million after he shed all the veteran players, particularly IKE. 15 million less than last year.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@flmetsfan we would send 2-3 million in a trade to get a better prospect back.  We sent 5 million to SF in the Beltran deal to get wheeler.  Colon is tradeable, we just need a contending team to have an injury to their SP rotation.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@drmetfan Why are we trading for SS prospects?  We have them in the minors already.  We need a major league player better than what we have on the roster.  

For_Sale
For_Sale

@eric88 Actually the last big offseason trade we made was RA DIckey to Toronto, unless the season is still being played in December.  

For_Sale
For_Sale

@tullydew he doesn't miss you.  San Diego is a wonderful place to live.

eric88
eric88

@tullydew Just look out on thefield. Their either his players or layers gotten by trading good assests he left behind.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@rico Yes, we have reached the end of the internet folks...all reposts from here on out.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@joe21 @Darrin A Williamson The problem with Tomas as with any of these Cuban players is forecasting them into MLB. I was just reading the other day about how many scouts didn't like Abreu's "slider bat speed" and countless other knocks about his hitting, let alone his defense. And I don't think Sandy will take the "chance" on one of them. I don't think he views the risk worth the gamble. He's very conservative.


For_Sale
For_Sale

@joe21 @Darrin A Williamson Well, we don't know what Tomas will be priced at.  We need to upgrade both LF and SS next season.  Otherwise we will have a repeat of this season.

xplr
xplr

@joe21 @xplr 1. How do you know we have no trading partner?


2. So our payroll is now going to be $80MM permanently?

3. OK. Aren't they now in place?

4. I'm not asking to trade for a WS winner. What I would like is a real lineup. 

5. Totally disagree. We have major deficiencies at C, SS and LF. Our FB is just OK, and so is RF (Grnady is on pace for around 20 HRs and a sub-.240 average). If you believe our payroll is going to stay here, Murphy is as good as gone, because there is no shot we can afford him. Wright is being vastly overpaid based on production. We have very little power. This is NOT a major league lineup, let alone being a contender.

6. We've waited 4 years. How much longer? 4 more years? 6? 10?


joe21
joe21

@eric88 @flmetsfan  going up next year almost $20 M from Arb and raises. current official payroll is listed as a shade under $83M

joe21
joe21

@For_Sale @flmetsfan  I think you are on point about having to send a few million along with Colon in order to return any value. I think Colon +$3/4/5M to Seattle could net SS Franklin or Taylor in AAA, but not sure this represents much of an upgrade. at the very least, gaining another decent prospect increases inventory for offseason deal. not much out there of game changing value right now, so I would be inclined to hold on to all big chips, but would like to see Colon go to clear a little salary, unblock arms next year, and also gain a little more in terms of prospects.

joe21
joe21

@For_Sale @drmetfan  none really close, the only ones in the upper minors are not true SS. Reynolds played 3B his whole college career, Flores not considered to be true SS and Herrara has played 2B for the most part.


two way SS are few and far between these days.

drmetfan
drmetfan

@For_Sale @drmetfan Ramires is at AAA and almost ML ready. We can wait a few months for him to fully developed. Lindor is at least a year away but he is the Indian's top prospect. If the Mets can get him I'm willing to wait that time frame before he joins the big club.

eric88
eric88

@For_Sale @eric88 That was for prospects. The blogger was talking why we didn't get major league help.You think being a wiseass punk makes you sound smarter?

For_Sale
For_Sale

@joe21 @For_Sale @flmetsfan I don't think colon and money to another team brings back a prospect that will help our team themselves.  We just need to collect more prospects so that we can offer better packages to teams for hitters.  

For_Sale
For_Sale

@drmetfan @For_Sale He is not guaranteed to be a major league player.  Lindor is the Indians future SS.  We sign a SS for 3-4 years and wait on our SS prospects.  At this point we need more than prospects on our major league team. 

For_Sale
For_Sale

@eric88 @For_Sale I was responding to your post.  You said "The last trade Sandy made in the off season was 4 years ago, when he got fleeced on the Pagan deal."  No mention of major league help.  

For_Sale
For_Sale

@drmetfan I get what you are saying.  But after a season like this, where we can feel the winds finally moving in our favor do we want to still have mysteries at SS?  

For_Sale
For_Sale

@eric88 @For_Sale You are older, and don't get the internet.  I just quoted you.  And you still are so angry.  Eric good luck being so angry.  Try to enjoy the games.  It is just entertainment.  No one lives or dies if the mets win a World series or not.  The unifying point in my posts.  Be a little more patient, Omars scouting is paying off now we need to add bats.  You ranting and raving and me responding to said rants and raves is getting you nowhere.  

For_Sale
For_Sale

@eric88 @For_Sale what a character you are.  Seriously buy me beers, Delta Sky lounge?