Ron Darling

Ron Darling signed, but never read the #TrueNewYorker letter

The Mets have been e-mailing a letter to fans asking them to sign a petition in support of the team >> Read the letter here.

The letter is signed by Mike Piazza, John Franco, Keith Hernandez, Darryl Strawberry and others, as well as Ron Darling.

However, Darling told WFAN that he’s never seen or read the letter, which is a failure on his part.

“I was asked to put my likeness and name to something, I didn’t read what was going to be put out there,” Darling said. “I think for me to criticize it and to go after it, I would be putting someone else in harms way, so I should just put myself in harms way. I agreed to put my name on it and so that’s on me. I didn’t do my due diligence to read what went out.”


To listen to Darling’s full interview with WFAN, click here


According to Darling, the e-mail is indicative of a potential disconnect between the team and its fans.

“I don’t think there has ever been a time that any organization would do something to anger their fans, which would be silly,” he said. “So, what that tells me is that there might be a disconnect here and we really need to re-evaluate.”

Darling acknowledged to the show’s hosts that there is a mistrust between some fans and Ownership.

However, he added, “As fans, you can only change yourself, and I don’t know that you can ever do that.”




52 comments
Ron W. Davis
Ron W. Davis

thats what i said all those players signed a page and then somebody decided to use it as properganda

peteny
peteny

This is a non issue. Ron is a great analyst and great Met. What I'm more concerned with is how we can't hit!

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

It's very stand up of him. I don't disparage any former players who signed. They're company guys and have a level of faith in the organization. Us fans are supposed to be constructively critical if things look bizarre, which they do, though it's nice to have the verbal support of big names too when questions are raised. 

Rod Fuller
Rod Fuller

Folks, i always new that Darling was an opportunist, he is a business man looking out ONLY for himself. That's fine my friend, he is not a fan of the mets though, strictly as a business to make as much money as he can, always plays it safe when he makes a decision..

rico
rico

What Darling said that was most resonant and is aimed directly at METS fans is:


“As fans, you can only change yourself"


Stop interpreting EVERYTHING the METS do as evil, wrong, laim, etc…nobody every gives them their due when they succeed. Darling is right change yourselves.


"When you complain you make yourselves victims. You can leave the situation or change the situation (like shut up or go read a book, clean your room) or accept the situation. All else is Madness".  I think it was Eckhart Tolle who said that and he's definitely a mets fan.

Mike Albano
Mike Albano

He is employed by them, he probably didn't have a choice.

rustysribs
rustysribs

Not sure if it was asked, but I wonder if Darling read it first would he have still signed it? Hmmm.

nykjw2
nykjw2

I feel bad for the Mets marketing director... I mean, what a stupid marketing idea

Steven G
Steven G

The sad thing about all the commotion and anger over this letter is that it really is nothing more than a silly little contest/marketing stunt. These things are done all the time in all sorts of industries. No harm done, no bad consequences. If something similar were done by a team that was contending, it would be viewed much differently. But for the Mets, with their on-field deficiencies and disconnect with their fans, it becomes a major bone of contention, and considering the state of the team, rightfully so. 

Take it for what it is, though. It's a contest and a chance to do some marketing. Nothing more. It's not that the Mets did something inherently wrong here; it's the fact that they didn't see WHY it is wrong for this team and this fanbase at this time. 

wilpondscm
wilpondscm

the mets front office simply never gets it. they are the kings...of lame. who comes up with the horrendous tacky ideas? 


btw the granderson signing is another example of met front office retardation. getting a name guy who has little on the field value, whose best days are passed him, and who was bought as an ornament. jeff was proabably as excited about that as he was to kiss up to mariano last year.  


watching chris young playing deeper than he can throw in that situation in that last inning was horrendous, my little league team knows better.


this team sickens me. but the wilpons and their shills are the worst part.

capra38
capra38

I'm a 40 year Met fan and have intentionally not gone to a game in several years now.  The thought of paying money to the Wilpons sickens me.  The tragedy is that with their tight alliance with the Commisioner's office Jeff Wilpon will be running the Mets for decades to come.  From the constant lying about the devestating effects the Madoff scandal will, and has, had on the franchise to the Ebbets Field knockoff McBallpark / Dodger shrine they built in the Shea parking lot, the kicks in the gut never seem to end.  I live outside the NY area and when I wear a Mets cap the reaction is either apathy or laughter.  I don't see that changing any time soon.

JoMama
JoMama

23 scoreless innings? Swept by Fish? 7 walkoff losses? This team is painful to watch. No one with a right mind thought we were winning after that hit and walk in the 9th. What a waste of 3 hours. Fire Sandy, Terry and Warthen - they are all useless.

gilspolish
gilspolish

I hate watching this team day after day. Same lackluster feel...no matter who is in the uniform. They need a ownership/coaching change ASAP.


It has gotten to the point where I will stop following. And I have been a fan for a VERY long time.


They're losing me.....

Frank Tangorra
Frank Tangorra

I'll support the team my own way y turning on the television and watching them. Until I see guys like Tejada and half the bullpen gone and replaced with major leaguers I'll spend my hard earned money at citi field. It's that simple.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Darling has never been anything less-than-honest. Team management is just tone-deaf. It has all been said so many times this season: Put a better product on the field and the fans will come. Otherwise you'll see a great many people come disguised as empty seats.

nykjw2
nykjw2

Knowing the Mets they will find a way to get rid of Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez

slainte2
slainte2

i heard the Darling interview.  Great interview, smart guy, one of best Mets reps out there.

Kyle Morgan
Kyle Morgan

What a shock and what a joke! This franchise can't do ANYTHING correct. Ugh

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

I'll support the team when the people that own the team support the team.

Kevin Fonda
Kevin Fonda

Ron is wrong about one thing, fans can do more than change themselves. They can stop supporting the team financially and force the ownership to make changes or eventually go bankrupt.

Jim Yager
Jim Yager

Please help me? What the hell is the big deal about this email? I got one, and, signed it, I just don't see why people are making this into a huge thing? It must be me, I must be dumb..

Anthony Fiore
Anthony Fiore

Wow! Get out, he didn't....oh wait, I don't care.  Why is there even a post about this?  This site infuriates me sometimes.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@rico  He makes his living as an analyst. Us fans analyze to, and are critical too, often more sensibly than the media credits us. There's some whiners but there's also a bunch of people that called Canoe a sell out in the Bronx last week, so point is, teams gotta play well enough fans can enjoy the games.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@Steven G It's minor league... that's the wound it picks at. The team operates in a very cheesy, low rent way and we're embarrassed as a fan base.

They might be the only billion dollar company on the planet with marketers that I wouldn't allow to so much as update my Facebook business page.  

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

 I go, but not with the intention of paying the Wilpons. Like people have been saying about the Clippers. Sure the owner is a caretaker,(seemingly a poor caretaker...) but the mets are ours.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

Do you have SNY and pay your cable bill every month? If so, the jokes on you?

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Kevin Fonda Unless you plan on cancelling you cable sports package, and a few hundred-thousand people follow,  there's nothing the average fan can do on a monetary basis.


The $300-$400 the average fan spends every year on tickets pays the peanut guy, not the players.  The TV deal is where the Mets get most of the payroll money from.


So as long as MLB as a whole is raking in cash with the TV deal, there's not much that's going to change.

tonyny
tonyny

@Jim Yager There are a bunch of people here who will use this letter as a platform to voice their pet peeves, and though some of them make sense, I think a lot of it is pretty overblown.

I'll tell you what bugged me about the letter, and I'm one of the least angry fans you'll find. I don't hate the Wilpons or think they're the worst owners in baseball, I generally approve of the approach Sandy Alderson and company have been taking to rebuild the team, and I think the people who want the Mets to put together a team by throwing money at it and hiring every free agent out there "because this is New York" are rooting for the wrong NY baseball team. I don't approve of that approach, and if I did, I'd be a Yankees fan.

I think the team put this letter and marketing campaign together to prove a point, which is that the loudest voices you hear on MetsBlog and on WFAN and even among the sports press are not necessarily representative of the fan base. Management and its marketing team believe there are more fans out there like me and, if I may presume based on your comments, like you - people who would like the team to be winning, people who certainly are frustrated by the fact that the team hasn't for a number of years, but who also think that maybe they might be winning soon, and that every loss over the last few years is not necessarily because the owners of the team are cheap embarrassments or because Terry Collins is a buffoon or whatever.  I think they believe that, on the whole, the fan base is a lot less angry and a lot more hopeful than it is typically portrayed as being.

And they may be right -- to a point. But what I think they're missing, the place where I think they are shockingly tone deaf, is that they felt Mets fans would rush en masse to defend the team against all criticism, when even the most positive among us are pretty beat down at this point and not feeling particularly proud of where things are right now.

It's all in the tone of the letter. The letter is more than hopeful, it is defiant. By harping on the "true New Yorker" theme (which was probably meant as nothing more than a playful reference to Grandy's comments at the beginning of the year, but that hardly matters now), the letter essentially says "if you don't unconditionally support the Mets and every decision they're making right now, you are not a true New Yorker."  This transports the discussion from the realm of sports fandom to the realm of politics. It conflates support of a sports team with patriotism. Which is ridiculous.  There are a lot of people here with whom I disagree, vehemently, but I wouldn't question their citizenship - that just goes too far.

But even more -- and I think this is the thing that bugs me the most -- is that this letter campaign just reeks of desperation. Essentially, the team is trying to bribe people into expressing support for the team.  Sign this letter and we'll enter you in a drawing for cool prizes, say the Mets. That gets my hackles up, first because nobody puts words in my mouth, thank you, but also because it actually cheapens my support of the team, by suggesting that the only way to get people to admit to liking the Mets is to bribe them with the vague promise of a chance at prizes.

The whole thing just lacks integrity. It's a stunt. And not a very well constructed one.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Jim Yager Because people know everything, so regardless of it's original intent, the PessiMets fans saw this email as the Mets pleading with their "fans" to start coming to games again, despite them not winning.

Andrew Vazzano
Andrew Vazzano moderator

@Anthony Fiore  People are talking about it, so we're covering it. If you don't care, that's fine, but others do.

rico
rico

@SuperDuper @rustysribs  if he didn't regret signing it he wouldn't be going so far out of his way explaining why "it's on him",

he'd just say "sure I'm down with that"

skillsets
skillsets

@Michael Frias Most cable/FiOS/DirecTV subs in NYC area can't take SNY off their system even if they wanted to. Part of basic package. Dish doesn't offer any of the NYC RSNs.

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

If ticket prices didn't mean anything they wouldn't care that the seats are empty. That is just asinine thinking on your part. Please just stop making up facts ($300 per fan average. LOL) You look silly.

Balonius
Balonius

@Michael Frias @Kevin Fonda  So basically, you're saying, that ticket sales receipts do not pay for player salaries at all, is that correct? What are season ticket holders, above average fans?

You are a complete fool.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@Michael Frias @Jim Yager Has nothing to do with winning although it would be nice. It has to do with them ignoring glaring needs for 4 years now. It has to do with a payroll shrinking every year and wondering why attendance is shrinking as well. You can call me a "pessi-met" but when someone is trying to advertise steak to you when its really pot roast yet still charging you $30 dollars for the plate I think you would find somewhere else to have dinner.

George Brezny
George Brezny

@Andrew Vazzano @Anthony Fiore ... I am a little surprised that Ronnie says he didn't read the contents before he signed it ( considering how smart he is..meant sincerely)... Unless this is going in the direction of the is is...theory... what the meaning of the word "read"  was.":)  Can we all stay on topic.... (including blog topics)...I want the Mets to win again before I am too old to be able to know they did wn...


Andrew.. I rather topics center on how to improve the team, strategy and tactically with insights, and opinions from your contacts with the team... Not whether Ronnie knew what he signed or not.. He should too... he's not much younger than me..:)

Bob G
Bob G

@Will Keesee @Anthony Fiore  Stupid response. This is a site to state your opinion. Moronic to tell people who express their feelings to go somewhere else. This is the place to do it.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@skillsets @Michael Frias 100% correct.  Like I said in an earlier post, the idea of "The Wilpons aren't getting a dime from me until they win" is a silly way to think.  There's really nothing the average fan can do on a monetary basis.


The $300-$400 the average fan spends every year on tickets pays the peanut guy, not the players.  The TV deal is where the Mets get most of the payroll money from.


So as long as MLB as a whole is raking in cash with the TV deal, there's not much that's going to change.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Balonius @Michael Frias@Kevin Fonda No, what I am saying is...  This idea that the average guy that goes to 3 games a year saying "I'm not supporting this team financially anymore" or "We have a right to complain, we pay their salaries" is kidding themselves.


If 100 guys like that decide to stop going to games, you know what happens?  One less Pepsi Party Patrol member next year.


Now, if it gets so bad that sponsors leave, or big time corporate box holders leave, then maybe you will see a change in how they approach things.  The nickels and dimes we throw them mean nothing.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Balonius  Possibly.  I've been called a lot worse.  I'll settle for just being a fool.

anymos
anymos

@Anthony Fiore @Andrew Vazzano Darling was talking about it on the most listened to sports radio station in the tri-state area, if not the country.  I don't care about the story but there's no debating its worth mentioning.  If they didn't, some jack-off would probably go off on some 'Cerrone won't cover this because it makes the Wilpons look bad!' rant.

tonyny
tonyny

@Joe Wenzel I understand what you're saying, but there is a group of people here, and you can call them any name you like if you don't like "whiners," who seem to come here with the express purpose of criticizing the team.  They seem to have no other function in life, or at least no other function with respect to the comment section of this blog.

Their criticism never varies. It is not nuanced. It is not constructive.  It is unrelenting and it is one note.  There is the "Wilpons must sell the team" contingent, there is the "Terry Is the Worst Manager of All Time" contingent, there is even the "this team will go nowhere until it signs Stephen Drew" contingent.  These are the fan community's equivalent of what in politics would be called Single Issue Voters.  They are relentless, they are immovable, and they are boring.

And, by the way, they don't show up at ALL when the team is doing well.  Only when the team is not playing well they show up, and then they come here to complain about whatever it is they think is the primary reason for the team's failures, and they contribute nothing to conversation.  I'm sorry, but saying over and over and over again that ______ (pick your poison) sucks and they will refuse to support this team until _____ changes is pointless.  It is pointless, first of all, because the thing they are complaining about probably is not going to change any time soon (this is especially true if you think the Wilpons are ever going to sell the Mets -- you might as well wait for pigs to sprout wings). Not only that, but these people are so sure of their positions that they berate anyone who dares to disagree with them. They are not participants in a discussion, they are bullies.

I don't like bullies. And I don't like people who have one unwavering opinion that they continually try to beat me over the head with and then disrespect me if I disagree. I don't like trolls either, and a lot of the time I think the trolls have taken over these boards. This is supposed to be a place for fans of the team to discuss the team, and I don't believe these people are fans.  I'm sorry, I don't.  I don't presume to tell other fans how to think, and I certainly don't claim you have to be 100% on board with everything the team does to be a fan.  But how about, I dunno, 75%? 50%? 20%?  If you are never here saying "good game, Let's Go Mets" and you are only ever here to say "ha ha, the Mets suck as usual and always will," then you're not a fan.  That crosses the line.  To be a fan of a team, you have to like the team more than you hate it.  Not the team as it existed 28 years ago, but the team as it exists now.  If you can't muster a little enthusiasm for this organization, then what's the point of being here? I think there is a certain contingent of folks who regularly post here who just like to hear themselves talk, and who get off on the idea of berating the team, the bloggers, and the fans who actually enjoy watching the team win.  Who are not sheep, by the way, they're fans.

The constant negativity of the whiners, complainers, concerned citizens -- call them what you wish, it's driven people, thoughtful people who want to have an intelligent discussion about these subjects, away from this place.  It's driven me away for the most part, and I know a lot of people who feel the same way.

It's a free country, yes. And yes, I get the First Amendment and all that. But the free country thing, and the First Amendment, people seem to forget, apply to government censorship. The state cannot stop us from saying whatever we want in a public place. But there is no obligation on the part of a private organization, such as a sports blog, to allow anyone to show up and say anything they want. Frankly, I wish the rules here were stricter, and I've said as much to Mr. Cerrone. He tolerates an awful lot of abuse from the people here, and I commend him for that alone. I wouldn't have nearly as much patience. And honestly, I think this would be a better place if he didn't either.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Joe Wenzel I guess.  I just don't see the point in complaining.  I understand being passionate about the Mets, and wanting them to win, but I don't see the point in complaining just to complain.  I'm just not that kind of guy.  I'm not going to pull the "they'll never get another dime from me until they win!" card.  I know my money makes no difference.  I'll still go to Opening Day (20 years straight and counting).  I'll head out there another 2-3 times.  If I see a Mets shirt on sale, I'll buy it.  If my Mets hat gets too dirty, I'll buy a new one.


I know there's nothing I can do to make the Mets better, so who am I to criticize the people that actually CAN make a difference? Win, lose or draw, I still have to go to work tomorrow.  Mortgage still needs to be paid.  Kids still need food and clothes.  I love the Mets, but I know there's nothing I can do that will make this team any better or worse that they currently are. 

anymos
anymos

@Joe Wenzel If it makes someone stop and think 'why am i even going to this site if all i do is complain about it?' then maybe it is.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Anthony Fiore I guess we'll agree to disagree.  When I'm at work, I hop on Metsblog every 2 hours or so.  If there's an article that intrigues me, I'll read it.  If it doesn't, I pass it over.


Complaining about it does nothing.

Anthony Fiore
Anthony Fiore

@Michael Frias @Bob G @Will Keesee @Anthony Fiore  Michael, then please enlighten us on why this is an important post as it pertains to the NY Mets?  I don't care about Cerrone's opinion on anything.  I come here for Mets news.  I would rather have a blank screen then read about a nonstory about an email that is such a hot story that it has 2 posts on Twitter today.  Again...when their is nothing to post this is what is posted for clicks.  Nobody is talking about it.   And yes, if you write a blog, you should be able to use spellcheck.  Can't wait to hear what Gary and Keith had for lunch in Miami today.


Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Bob G @Will Keesee@Anthony Fiore No, it's not a stupid response.  I see it everyday.  People questioning why certain topics come up.  People bashing Cerrone's OPINION if it sounds too positive.  People bashing how "Bush League" the site is if there's a typo.


There's a few dozen sites that write about NY Mets baseball.  Hate what's reported here or how it's reported?  Go read a different site!


I hate country music.  So I pass over the country music radio station.  I don't stop to listen, simply so I can talk about how much I hate every song they play.  That's just counter-productive.