Rockies had been scouting Noah Syndergaard

The Rockies recently sent a sizable contingent to watch Mets pitching prospect Noah Syndergaard (NY Post, July 31).

There had been seen several reports in July indicating Colorado’s willingness to trade SS Troy Tulowitzki and OF Carlos Gonzalez, which was followed by speculation the Mets and other teams were interested.

However, while the Mets and Rockies had low-level talks earlier in the month (Cerrone, July 29), they did not talk much in the days before this Thursday’s non-waiver trade deadline, meaning and any deal for Tulowitzki or Gonzalez will likely need to wait for this offseason, reporter Jon Heyman said early in the week (CBS Sports, July 30).


MLB: San Francisco Giants at Colorado Rockies


The Rockies are looking to acquire the best young, power pitching possible and feel they match up best with the Mets and Cardinals (Cerrone, July 29). However, Colorado would prefer to not pay any of either Tulowitzki’s ($129 million) or Gonzalez’s ($53 million) remaining contract in a trade, making Gonzalez the more reasonable target, Heyman later said on radio (WFAN, July 29).

Following Thursday’s deadline, Sandy Alderson would not comment on specific players that he discussed. However, he did acknowledge talking with teams about ‘significant players,’ though nothing came to fruition.

“In order to potentially improve the club in some significant way as opposed to some incremental way, we would have had to been prepared to deal some of our young pitching and at this particular stage we’re not prepared to do that,” he said. “If we’re going to trade some of our young prospects, we’re probably better off doing that in the offseason.”




202 comments
Joe Arney
Joe Arney

Yeah and they can keep on looking. Move along, Colorado.

Christian Pezzuti
Christian Pezzuti

The mets should not be looking to Colorado for their big bat. We don't want either of those guys.

David Wright
David Wright

Cargo and Starlin would be about perfect fits. Cargo and his gold glove/cannon in right field, slide Curtis to left with Juan between them. The$ is reasonable and doesn't seem to require Noah S in the trade.

cyjabeli
cyjabeli

I guess there doing there job then....

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

Sure Rockies would like to shed the salary of Cargo. Reason the trade did not happen already is Sandy has interest in controllable ballplayers. I agree with this idea.


So I wonder if the player Mets would like is Dickerson or Blackmon.

mets1973
mets1973

Tulowitzki is too injury prone to even think about trading Thor to the Rockies. Go for the Castillo!!! Even with a hefty contract he will cost less than Tulo in terms of dollars and prospects.

ponzies86
ponzies86

Keep scouting Rocks, the guy is not going anywhere unless you guys have a player name Giancarlos Stanton 

This is a random question, but how does the waiver-trade deadline work in regards to playoffs, exactly?  Specifically, is the waiver-trade deadline playoff tied, like the August 31st deadline is?  Could the Mets and the Rockies make this trade outside of waivers if they agreed that the players traded would not be available to them if they made the playoffs?  (I realize it will never happen, I'm just curious.

Russ Sullivan
Russ Sullivan

If we could lock Tulo up for like 5 years I would trade noah straight up for tulo all day. We can spare one pitcher for an amazing bat right now. Degrom came out of nowhere. Next year we could have Harvey, Degrom, wheeler, Niese, and see it Colon can go one more year and then we have lagares Murphy wright tulo duda as our 1-5. Not bad at all

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

Why all the Tulo talk? Mets aren't getting him and if by chance they did, he would probably turn into a Jason Bay, Bobby Bonilla, Jeff Kent etc etc etc...

theglider
theglider

People keep thinking Colon will be waived. If so, who takes his spot in the rotation? With Dice-K hurt do we have anyone with any experience?

And what if Niese isn't 100%? Then we'd need two pitchers.

We have a fragile rotation right now. We're better keeping Colon.

hashburry
hashburry

I wonder if there is internal discussion of trading Harvey in a huge deal if he proves to be healthy? I personally don't underestimate this FO finding him to be a long term headache with his perceived ego.

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

Many teams start putting players on the waiver wire right after the trade deadline passes. Many pass waivers or even get pulling back with no knowledge in the public.


I am thinking Colon here.

hankypanky
hankypanky

It's a shame that Niese is fragile and has a history of being injury-prone. On top of that Niese lacks the grit that deGrom exhibits when things go wrong on the field. Any scout reporting back to a GM has to weigh in on these weaknesses, which lowers Neise's value in a package. His biggest attraction is that he's a lefty, but his best days may be behind him. Here's hoping he shows up.

Nick Congello
Nick Congello

I wonder if Gee, Niese, Nimmo would've been enough to get price and zobrist from the A's. Not like the Wilpons would've took on that much payroll but just curious.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Ill believe any good news on trades when I see it...right now Sandy doesn't look  ready to trade or sign anyone.

nym68
nym68

A Tigers fan just called into MLB Network Radio and said he thinks his team gave up too much for Price because they included Austin Jackson in the trade. I can now happily report that insanity is not an exclusive trait of Mets fans everywhere

Aidan Maslow
Aidan Maslow

Really do not see Cargo as particularly valuable at this point given how consistently injured he is and how far his stats have dropped off. I would not give a ton for him, maybe one major prospect and one mid-level prospect. Tulo would command three major prospects (or a major leaguer and two major prospects) and one or two mid-level prospects.

My proposed deals:

Troy Tulowitzki for Ruben Tejada, Rafael Montero, Kevin Plawecki, Matt Den Dekker, and Logan Verrett.

Carlos Gonzalez for Amed Rosario and Steven Matz.

Troy Tulowitzki  and Carlos Gonzalez for Ruben Tejada, Rafael Montero, Kevin Plawecki, Amed Rosario, Steven Matz, Matt Den Dekker, and Logan Verrett.



Regardless we should be able to get it done without offering Syndergaard.

metstastic
metstastic

And then we wouldn't have Duda who provides a little less production for a fraction of the price.

nym68
nym68

 first the teams have to place their players on waivers. Every team does this for basically every player once August starts (you can place seven players on waivers a day) Then you wait to see if he's claimed by another team. If he is you then either pull him back or you release him to the other team for free. If he's not claimed-usually anyone with a large contract gets thru- you are now free to trade that player. The August 31st deadline then comes into play the same exact way as any other transaction in that the player has to be on the teams roster by that date. If all of these things occur, then the player is eligible for the playoffs

grundy
grundy

@Bob Burket Jeff Kent was a decent/good player for the Mets and was not a star when we acquired him, became one after he left. The others are very valid examples (throw in Robbie Alomar). 

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@theglider There is a guy named Montero. Another named Syndergaard who will need a roster spot on the 40 man.

tk2120
tk2120

@hashburry he'll be here at least through his arbitration years...4 more? 5? then IF he's as good as everyone hopes (remember, dude has 12 MLB wins lol...people talk about him like he's done something)... by then, $200 mil contracts aren't going to be impossible, and you know the Yankees are gonna be drooling over the fact of snatching Harvey away... so, yes, there will be talk of trading him, but not for a while.

grundy
grundy

@hashburry Insanity...sheer insanity to even think like that. Your arguing the mets are worried about bad PR then saying they are thinking of trading Harvey? Contradiction much?

nym68
nym68

@hashburry No. Just stop it already. No one is thinking of trading the best thing to come along in 30 years. Just....no

nym68
nym68

@Nick Congello I think Price and Zobrist would've had to have been traded to the A's first. Then Oakland could've hung up on Sandy

tk2120
tk2120

@Aidan Maslow would not trade Matz for Cargo (ever)...Carlos Gonzalez would get chewed up and spit out here, the same way Beltran has... You ever see Cargo play? Very talented, but he's very nonchalant and the guy gets hurt wayyyyyy too much. He's also not the play through pain guy..If he has a stomach ache, he's out a week.... The only thing i'd give up for Cargo would be a 1 for 1 of Colon, Dice-K, Hefner....seriously, nothing for Cargo...


Tulo different story, i dont care about his splits...but look at his contract...Mets won't make a trade for that type of contract, so these reports need to stop.

hashburry
hashburry

@Aidan Maslow So where are the "major prospects" in your purported deal?  Matz, maybe,not in the top 100 prospects,  Plawecki, ranked, what, 86 out of 100?  Rosario, in low A ball. Tejada, huh?, Den Decker, no value, on and on.  Montero, long way from proving himself a major leaguer after his aborted stint with the Mets.  Two all stars for a bunch of moving parts.  

nym68
nym68

@Aidan Maslow No Wheeler, deGrom, or Noah? Yeah, that'll happen.....start with one of the three, then add another. Now trade talks can commence

hankypanky
hankypanky

No way any GM makes that deal. Insert Wheeler or deGrom and you have an interested listener.

hashburry
hashburry

@grundy You underestimate the dysfunction in the FO.  All I'm saying is what if they think by getting a bonafide star for Harvey, they think they can sell it to the fans?  And I am also just wondering how big a headache they see him as going forward?  Why, after all we've seen with this team, is that so implausible?

metstastic
metstastic

Because of the obsession that we MUST have an all star bat.

nym68
nym68

@citifield @hashburry and today's winner for dumbest thing said on Metsblog is......your comment. Congratulations. Everyone else can try again tomorrow. Today's contest is closed

hashburry
hashburry

@citifield @hashburry For the reason I stated.  I was wondering what the internal impression is of the guy based on the Mets never ending paranoia of bad PR.  I'm not saying they would do it, but if they perceive to have enough starting pitching without him, who would bring back the best young and cheapest bat?

grundy
grundy

@hashburry Price got traded for way less...I don't want Tulo, Gonzalez is interesting but only if we don't trade Degrom, Noah or Wheeler. If they want any of those 3 just move on to someone else and tell them no thanks. Trade Gee or Niese, I'm not trading the other guys. I'm sure we can find a taker for either one of those 2 for a player who can fit what we need.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@hashburry Who would trade for a guy who hasn't come back from arm surgery yet?

hashburry
hashburry

@grundy @hashburry I hear you, but again, with Harvey, the package to get a stud would be that much less than say, deGrom.  I'm not proposing some silly trade where we give up Montero and Tejada for Trout, just really curious what the FO thinks of Harvey after this rehab time and the way he handled it.

grundy
grundy

@citifield @grundy @hashburry Injury history, sounds like he'd rather play for the Yankees, and I'd rather have an OF who comes at 1/2 the price who is a really good hitter which leaves money to fill other spots.


I'm not buying Tulo's numbers long term at citi field either. I know he has really good numbers in a small sampling, but long term those are going to go down.  

grundy
grundy

@hashburry @grundy Again we are not trading Harvey and we also won't be trading two of our pitchers for any of these guys...if that is the asking price, we move on and don't do the deal, simple as that. 

grundy
grundy

@citifield @grundy @hashburry I'm not to keen on paying a guy $20 million a year to not be happy playing for my team...he might not be able to dictate but his actions on the field can speak volumes.

grundy
grundy

@citifield @grundy @hashburry I'd be for that...I like Kemp..I just worry about our field messing with guys heads (see David Wright), and with it being a pitchers park I'd rather not trade the guys we have to get a hitter who can be hit or miss because of Citi Field. I know we have to give up something...I'd start with Gee or Niese and add from there..

grundy
grundy

@citifield @grundy @hashburry Whichever one has the lower asking price :-), they are pretty equal to me if I had a choice I'd take Cargo (asking price probably lower on a bad year) more of a contact hitter and doesn't K as much and numbers are pretty close to Kemp the last few years (better but taking the field he play in into account)