Reaction to cutting Farnsworth is telling…

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The Mets cut Kyle Farnsworth, who was understandably angry after getting the news after last night’s game >> Read more at MetsBlog.

In case you forgot, Farnsworth is the guy most Mets fans mocked when we was signed – twice – this past off season. He’s also the guy who people feared might make the roster, let alone see become the closer. Yet, today, reaction to him being cut makes him seem like the second coming of Billy Wagner.

The Mets will essentially save $750,000 by cutting Farnsworth from the roster. Naturally, despite his performance and the crop of young pitchers capable of replacing him, the transaction is being described as ‘cheap,’ and ‘not fair.’


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I suspect that the people most pissed about this are probably the same fans who entered the day – and spent the last few years – already mad about Ownership’s ‘lack of spending,’ as they say. The Farnsworth Situation plays plays right in to this narrative, despite it being less than $1 million. The other fact is, while move saves money, Farnsworth wasn’t pitching well. I’m not sure he warranted a roster spot over, say, Josh Edgin, or Jeff Walters, even if he was free.

Again, spending money on the wrong players should always be considered wrong. And, while I guess not spending money on the wrong players could be called “cheap,” it could also be called “smart.” The difference probably depends mostly on how you view this front office, their rebuilding process and overall direction of the franchise.

In the end, had Farnsworth been throwing the ball well, I’m certain Alderson would have gladly continued paying him. But, he hasn’t been pitching well. Frankly, Farnsworth’s most recent save had more to do with Mark Teixeria’s knees and Lucas Duda’s glove than it had to do with his own arm.

This all is made to look worse considering they jerked Farnsworth around this past Spring. I realize it may not look good to other potential free agents. But, a quick survey by text message this morning indicates to me that players know the deal: Play well, get paid well, the end.

This is a lesson for everyone, fans and media included.




309 comments
William Potts
William Potts

It was to cover the cost of Jeter's retirement present

Zott
Zott

He deserved to be cut by his performance but the way they did it was classless.

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

He was not consistent . While he had some decent outings , he had more lousy ones , therefor he had to go. It does not make the bullpen better , it still is a confused one and will be a bad one until Management is pleased who's in the pen and Terry and John can assign them roles. Until then , expect more of the same.

methead
methead

First who cares if he closed the game and then they cut him. I bet had he pitched well in that game he would have still be here. But he stunk.

Secondly, terry pitches who is on his roster. That's his job. Farnsworth is on his roster and he felt that was his role.

Lastly, this is farnsworth job. This isn't school yard. He signed a contract. Is contract was guaranteed till yesterday. It was up to the mets to extend the contract. That's how real jobs work. Why is he special?

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

Who in their right mind would be upset with the Mets cutting Farnsworth? Even IF they did it to save a few pennies, the man was not performing, and was never going to perform. It's a win-win all the way around. The Mets may have not done this for the best of reasons, but the ends justifies the means here.


As for the whole "using him as your closer and cutting him a few days later" situation, I don't know what to make of that. That could either be the result of Terry's incompetence, or poor communication between the FO and the manager. Regardless, anyone who thinks Fransworth deserved a spot anywhere in this bullpen because his ERA wasn't that bad does not understand a thing about baseball nor statistics. He had the WORST strikeout rate among Mets relievers, no effective secondary pitches, and poor command of his stuff. Worst. The only pitcher who you could argue is less effective than Farnsworth is Valverde.

I mean, come on. Some people will complain about anything I guess. I would much rather the Mets cut Farnsworth now than wait until his ERA blows up, which was destined to happen. Don't kid yourselves into thinking there was a chance of that not happening

And one more thing. People keep whining about bringing the kids up, bringing the kids up. Well, we just replaced our useless veteran with Edgin (aka one of our kids). Granted, Edgin hasn't been effective thus far in his major league career, but he's young and has the potential to improve unlike Farnsworth. What more do some of you people want?

CenaDaCrime
CenaDaCrime

@metsblog I am almost as excited by the Mets dropping Farnsworth as I was when they dropped Turner - Lets Go Mets

rmkabadi
rmkabadi

I would have cut Valverde over Farnsworth but frankly both suck and neither is a reliable reliever at this point. I agree it probably wasn't handled well and am a little annoyed about the financial motivations behind this (what Met move isn't?) but I'm glad he's gone and that they're at least adding a 2nd lefty to the pen and giving Edgin another shot.

Edgin's numbers were better over his last few appearances in Vegas and it's also Vegas so some numbers will inherently look worse. Hopefully this is the time Edgin turns a corner - everyone seems to forget that while this is on a different scale, similar frustrations were rampant with Parnell a couple years ago.

Which One's Pink
Which One's Pink

What leaves a bad taste in my mouth is just the machinations they put this guy through.  Released him, resigned him, played him constantly, then cut him on day 45.  Sort of seems like McDonalds firing a guy after 2 months 29 days before starting on month 4 they have to pay his health insurance.  Just seems like an amateur move.  Originally they dicked him around over $100,000.  C'mon.  The toilet seat in the Yankee dugout probably costs more.  Silliness over, relatively speaking, chump change.

Which One's Pink
Which One's Pink

... and Edgin has been just awful.  No there there with him either.   

Which One's Pink
Which One's Pink

I must have been pounding too many beers the last month . . .I didn't think the guy pitched that badly.  Wasn't heading to a Cy Young or anything, but I certainly didn't dread him coming in.  He was no Armando Benitez.


I expect any day now the Mets will try the old "foul balls in the stands will be retrieved by management and re-used" schtick.


elchicano
elchicano

Mets are cheap, but we can't go bonkers over cutting Farnsworth..because he's Farnsworth that's why

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

Were people really surprised or hurt by Farnsworth's release or was this some sort of straw-man?  Because I really can't understand what anyone expected when they decided to forget the Super 2 confines and started calling up the kids?  The only sad thing about this?  If the choice was Farnsworth or Valverde, does this mean they chose Farnsworth to save $250K??  Because lets be real:  BOTH of them could've gone...Farnsy was cheaper.

stage52
stage52

Jose Abreu is really propelling the White Sox to dizzying heights . Chicago is 2 games under 500.  LOL  I am really tired of the Woulda, , Shoulda  Coulda that goes on constantly on this blog.     Get real !

lholztrio
lholztrio

There is hypocrisy aplenty!   How does the GM justify sitting Lagares who is possibly our future CF and needs to play everyday.  But in an effort to justify his signing Grandy for 4 years -60 million (inexplicably) and CY for 7.25 milliion (at least only 1 year) Lagares sits.  Another hypocritical situatioin developing surrounds Colon, who has been terrible but will remain in the rotation, again, in order to justify another GM blunder.  Just imagine if we signed Byrd for 16 million over 2 years and Latroy Hawkins for 2.5 million- 1 year.  The team would be much better off and we would have had extra money for a SS and more options in the bullpen.  

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

The money was certainly a factor but so was the performance. It spoke volumes to the fan base when he was the first guy brought back after Parnell went down. Just another (well) past-his-prime guy hoping for one last shot.Who knows about Edgin? Or Vic Black. But these guys at least have a potential future. The Yankees spend money. Recklessly at times. But we got a firsthand look last night at what happens when a calculated gamble pays-off. As opposed to D.J. Carasco, Aaron Laffey and every other reclamation project we've seen here over the past few years.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

The Mets are cheap for things like not even trying to sign Jose Abreu, which may go down as the most colossal failure of Sandy's tenure next to not trading Reyes. They aren't cheap for cutting Kyle Farnsworth. 

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

@Which One's Pink  What this signals more than anything is poor communication between the FO and the manager, or perhaps Terry's incompetence. There was no reason for Farnsworth to have been pitching as often as he was, nor in as many important spots as he was. That's all on Collins. I have no problems with the FO making this move as they should operate the same regardless of managerial decisions.

Also, what was the alternative? Let him blow up a few more times before cutting him? Pitch him in low leverage situations, and again cut him once he continues to struggle? It may not be the saintliest of moves, but the FO owed Farnsworth nothing. If they did it to save a few bucks, so be it. He showed nothing during his time as a Met, and should have been cut regardless. 

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@stage52  Yeah, you're right.  There's no way Abreu's .271 average, 15 HR, 41 RBI production would help the Mets at all over Duda's blistering .259, 4 HR, 17 RBI.  We clearly don't need a good hitter in our lineup.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@stage52  What should we "get real" about, exactly? Should we smile and celebrate the fact that we passed on a young, affordable. monstrously powerful 1B that's tearing up the much tougher league right now? 

To be clear, I'm not Monday morning quarterbacking this. I said we needed to sign this guy during the offseason, based on what scouts with no connection to the Mets were saying. 

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

 And if the Mets didn't sign either Young or Grandy you would be among the many fans complaining the Mets didn't spend enough this offseason. Funny how that works, huh?

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

 So your suggestion would be that in the first year of a 4 year GUARANTEED contract, the Mets should bench Granderson indefinitely OR reneg on the GENERAL MANAGER'S promise of ABs made to a FA at the time of his signing.    Do you plan to STAY the GM or...in business for that matter?

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@Jay Cross  If they cut Farnsworth on day 43,maybe. On day 45 of the extension running out, and replacing him with Edgin, looks really questionable. Timing is also the context.

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

@Jay Cross  It's a fair criticism in some sense, but a) hindsight is 20-20 and b) 28 other teams passed on Abreu as well. And many of these teams have more financial resources than the Mets. Yet they still passed on him.

I doubt the Mets would have selected Granderson over Abreu if they really thought the latter was that special simply because they needed an outfield bat over a first basemen. If the Mets didn't spend anything at all this past offseason, I would be inclined to agree with your sentiment. But they did, and Abreu didn't command a fortune, so I believe this to be more a matter of simply whiffing on him.

I would like to stress that I do believe that the Wilpons are pinching pennies where they can, and haven't had the financial resources that they have had in the past. That being said, I don't think either was the principal motivating factor here. 

stage52
stage52

@Jay Cross Just because you were calling for it does not mean anyone had to do it Jay

lholztrio
lholztrio

@Tap Zoo Ck  with all due respect Colon is what 40+ years old and we signed him to a 2 year contract?  Remember when a 36 year old Dickey, who wanted a little more than that was  tagged as being too old and not able to sustain his success.  Are you pleased with Colon?  I'm not what so ever.  Grandy looks like a misfit for this team and the thought of being stuck with him for 4 years, when we should be getting younger, is not good.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@Joshua Shapiro @Jay Cross  Right, but we pay three GMs to be amazing talent evaluators, and we arguably had bigger needs at 1B than most of those other 28 teams. 

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@mets2death @Jay Cross  I agree he is not a serviceable big league SS, but that's what scouts predicted his ceiling would be. You're right: he's yet to even reach that modest ceiling.

I was just saying scouts predicted far more for Abreu, making the comparison to Tejada completely inappropriate. It's apples and oranges. 

With that, I'm going to bow out of this debate, as I feel I've made my point. Appreciate the spirited discussion, gents! 

stage52
stage52

@mets2death @Jay Cross@stage52 OK I really wanted to slap him after becoming a bad parrot but I am over that now!  lol   My cat sensed that going under the bed was a good move at the moment.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@mets74 @Jay Cross @mets2death  Because I'm interested in what not signing him says about the team's resources, priorities and future. That's why. It's cool if you don't agree, that's why my comments are mine and yours are yours. 

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@stage52 @mets2death  Yeah, pretty sure. 

stage52
stage52

@mets2death JAy are you sure I did not lock you up in a girls room locker naked back in Jr High. ?

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@mets2death  Please find me one quote from a scout that portrays Tejada in anywhere near the same positivity as scouts were talking about Abreu. If you can, I will never mention Abreu on this blog again. 

If I recall, scouts agreed that Tejada could be a serviceable big-league SS with slightly above average defense and a .275 BA. Abreu was (correctly) predicted to be a monster power hitter and franchise cornerstone. 

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@stage52 @Jay Cross  No, his off-the-charts performance and the near-universal agreement of scouts who saw him play mean we should have done it. 

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Tap Zoo Ck  It's not about this season....for him or the Mets.  you don't think CYoung at 30 is playing his last season do you?  Well neither does he.  He signs to a 1 year with a 500ABs promise, so he has the opportunity to earn a BIGGER, LONGER contract AFTER this year with....some team.  I know you know that. 

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

  In a vacuum, yes.  But this season is eventually going to end.  This offseason and for the offseasons to come, Sandy is going to need to sign FAs again. 


"Hey Asdrubal, what can we do to get you to sign today?"


"Well Sandy, I need enough opportunity to show you and the other 29 GMs that I can play"


"Ok, I can guarantee you at least 500 ABs to show case your talents"


"uhhhhh, Sandy......."

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Tap Zoo Ck  I'm with you there.  After CYoung's 2013, the money should've been enough.  But, since when don't the Mets have to overpay for FA's?  And this time part of that overpayment?  a promise of 500 ABs, and if TC or Sandy don't do their best to get him that, they'd find out just how potent the MLBPA's pipeline really is...especially since so many of these guys share the same representation..

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Jay Cross  You and I don't disagree on that last point.  The idea that a major market team like the Mets are discounting FAs is a bit weak.  However, this Abreu thing is just beating a dead horse.  Not only that, is everyone clear that Williams and Reinsdorf signed this kid in OCTOBER?  in the middle of the LCS's...Kind of explains the extra 1-2 years no?  To answer your question, no i idon't think on October 18th Sandy was completely aware that they had a need at 1B...not with Duda and Davis in house, and not with hot stove not having even started yet.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@C.K. Dexter Haven @Jay Cross  And we don't have an actual need? Look, if Duda puts up an awesome season, I'll come back here and admit I was wrong. I don't expect him to come anywhere close to Abreu's numbers, which are a flat-out STEAL for Chicago at the salary he's getting. 

My argument is exactly what you stated: that we should have been in on the negotiations. The fact we weren't is very concerning to me, as it means the FO either sucks at talent evaluation (which I don't think at all) or that ownership is perilously broke (which I strongly suspect.)

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Tap Zoo Ck  Probably because he's never had more than 401 ABs at the ML level.  Last year?  In 318 ABs?  he had 15.  Is really that hard to see 25 HRs in 550 ABs?

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Jay Cross  Besides the fact that the Mets thought they had 2 options at 1B that would provide the needed pop to the lineup (that they were paying $5Mil+ to) , are you REALLY trying to equate Konerko's situation to Duda/Davis?  Konerko not only had a terrible 2013, he's also 39(?).   Williams was ok signing Abreu because he had an actual NEED for a 1Bman.  If your argument is that the Mets should've at lease been in on the negotiations...ok, but don't blame  them for not committing 6 years to a player 28 other teams decided not to either.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@stage52 @Jay Cross @Joshua Shapiro  I never claimed to have a crystal ball. If Duda turns into the 30 home run hitter that Abreu is already halfway to being in mid-May, I will cheerfully admit I was wrong about the front office's assessment.

But, who said anything about hiring and firing on a weekly basis? This FO had three years to evaluate Ike and Duda.  

stage52
stage52

@Jay Cross @stage52@Joshua Shapiro When you are running a baseball club  with your Crystal ball that knows all about the past ( I have my doubts  that will ever happen) You can hire and fire your whole club on a weekly basis. Please start  at the Little League Level 1st   Jay















Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@stage52 @Jay Cross @Joshua Shapiro  Loyalty?! This is major league baseball, not a circle of high school buddies. If the White Sox were okay with moving World Series hero and franchise legend Paul Konerko off 1B in his final season to bring Abreu in, our loyalty to Ike Davis and Lucas Duda should not have been an obstacle. 

stage52
stage52

@Jay Cross @stage52@Joshua Shapiro Having some loyalty to both Duda and Davis who had been with the club for awhile and the belief that one of them could fill the bill as the 1st basemen for the club could be the simple reason for what they did.  Sometimes it is not that complicated.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@stage52 @Jay Cross @Joshua Shapiro  Were their feet superglued to the infield dirt over there? No - if Sandy truly felt Abreu was the best option and had the money to sign him, both Ike and Duda could have been cut, traded, optioned to AAA, etc. 

That's what I want to know. Did our talent evaluators not see Abreu's prodigious talent? Or did ownership debts make pursuing him a non-starter?

stage52
stage52

@Jay Cross @Joshua Shapiro Already having 2 Players at 1st base had something to do with the decision. It is rather convenient to act like it did not exist at the time