Rays also interested in Nick Franklin

The Tampa Bay Rays are also interested in Mariners’ shortstop Nick Franklin (Heyman, Feb. 25).

The Mets and Mariners are expected to talk again about Franklin, who they discussed at the Winter Meetings in December, according to a Mets insider (ESPN NY, Feb. 24).

The Mariners are likely going to trade Franklin before Opening Day, according to industry sources (ESPN NY, Feb. 20).

Franklin hit .225 with 12 home runs, 45 RBI and six stolen bases in 96 games as a rookie last season, during which he played second base. The Mariners already have SS Brad Miller and signed 2B Robinson Cano as a free agent, which makes Franklin expendable.

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mrmet41
mrmet41

What about dArnaud's younger brother who was cut yesterday???  Read he was a high pick and maybe hanging with his bro will help both of them?

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

I've been saying it and Adam Rubin yesterday when asked by a fan about Franklin's defense said "Murphy salary rising and is a F/A after net year anyway". If they do this deal to get Franklin they may try to stick him at SS this year but the intention will be to move him to 2B where he is better suited to play and move Murphy and his salary at some point. Whether we like it or not we are a cost conscious team now and that is going to play into everything we do. 

cver
cver

This is where the Mets being cheap is going to cost them.  They shouldn't give up much for this guy.  While he could end up being a star, we can't see that he will be even more than a nobody yet.  On the other hand, if they are even contemplating giving up someone good for this or even decent, if they were willing to take on most or all of the salary, they could probably get (for those that have been reading my posts, do I even need to write more?:)) - REYES!

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

Best case scenario is Flores actually gets a really shot at SS and succeeds, that would be amazing. But I wouldn't mind getting Franklin as long as it doesn't mean giving up Montero

jonathanl
jonathanl

This guy doesn't exactly sound like the second coming of Jesus either. I wouldn't give up anybody decent for him.

eric88
eric88

Tejada  is such a lacks of tools player, he has no upside. If Tejada hit .269 with 3 .SB's, 0 HR's, 34 RBI, 17 2B, that would be a good year for him. Especially if he plays an ok SS with his limited range and arm. Lets be honest. For every other MLB SS that would be a horrendous year. Thats why we need a real MAJOR LEAGUE SS and soon.

Sandy, GET NICK FRANKLIN !!

rubiconx0
rubiconx0

The Mets will lose out on Franklin to the Rays like they always lose out, they over value and hang on to their own players like their gold! In order to get some thin good you have to give up something too, a concept this 2nd rate organization fails to get a grap on! They piss and moan about how they dont like Tejada but they are too cheap and chicken crap to pull the trigger on a deal or trade. Its sickening to watch them make a drawn out drama  out of everything, other teams have needs they go out and address them, but no, not the Mets,  Alderson is a joke with his fancy lawyer talk, give us more than talk, enough is enough!!!

nymess
nymess

So after two-thirds of a single season in the majors, a ".225 hitter" is what we're labeling Nick Franklin as now, ignoring everything else? Throwing out the concept of small sample sizes, I guess D'Arnaud and Flores are .200 (or .210) hitters then? 


I'm not ready to part with the likes of Montero for him either, but some of the posts here just lack reason. Franklin has been a highly touted prospect that fills a need here. 


That said, Flores should be given a LEGIT shot at short and fits a similar profile as Franklin (good bat, questionable defense) without needing to move anyone...but knowing how this team operates, I don't see that happening, so the idea of landing Franklin over having to see another season of Tejada then Quintanilla is enticing to say the least. 

nthmetsfan
nthmetsfan

I don't know much about Franklin.  However, his pro-ball stats at SS are not impressive with errors, range factor, runs saved etc.  That's probably why the M's moved him to 2B where he graded out much better.  With a young pitching staff, defense at SS has to be a priority, as much as I'd love to add another hitter to the lineup.

arc34
arc34

We need hitting...if Mets have soured on Tejada, play Flores at SS till he gets his three AB's and bring Tovar in for defense.

Chris Carey
Chris Carey

Shocker. Heyman trying to help out Boras again.

georgie
georgie

I think that Mets management  don't know what they are doing as far as offense is  concerned......pitching is known to be their strong suit but offense.....really bad.

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

If any other team is in, the Mets are always out.

niesesnose
niesesnose

Friedman vs. Jack Z. vs Alderson.

One of these is very unlike the other two

bigdirty
bigdirty

I would take a chance on him but not sure if montero is the guy I want to deal. I would trade a pitcher or 2 a little less along in the minors. Montero could help soon so why give that up, 

poli42
poli42

igh.  i'd like to see flores at ss.  

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

I have to admit that I was against getting Franklin when this first came up because there are issues with his glove and arm. But the more I see and hear about Tejada it just seems like the Mets might have to do something, anything. If they could somehow pull it off without giving up Syndergaard, Wheeler or Montero I'm all for it. Although I'm guessing it would cost Montero +. At this point do it. If nothing else it would give the franchise a little juice and buzz and give the fans something to look forward to. As it is, we have to wait on Thor until mid-summer.

dooley
dooley

This makes sense since the Mariners could make a package centered around Walker and Franklin for David Price.

eric88
eric88

If the Rays want him, they get him. Sandy has NOT shown an ability to make a trade UNLESS he has an aging player doing well that a contender wants and is willing to overpay. Since he is here he has made no other type of trade at all to date, so I believe he can't/won't get Franklin.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@Tarheel11  So lets trade for him, give up one of our better prospects, with the intention of moving him to second base, just so we can go out and spend more money on a SS in a FA class that we most likely have no chance of outbidding teams in and get rid of Murphy due to his salary? Or we could keep Murphy at 2B and Franklin will play his natural position at SS.. the kid is 22 years old, lets not jump the gun and say he won't be a ML SS. Murphy would most likely sign a deal that helps out both the team and himself. 

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@cver  We got rid of him for a reason.. why would we want him back? All he did was get injured and ask for a ton of money

cver
cver

@eric88 The problem here is who knows if Nick Franklin is a real ML SS - certainly hard to say.  He might be another Tejada that will cost us a pitching prospect.  With the Rays in the mix, hmm, that goes both ways.  If they are interested, since they are good at getting good young players, that makes me more interested.  The other side is that it will cost us more for the chance to find out if Franklin is great or a stiff.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@nymess  Flores doesn't have the range to play shortstop. Even if he worked all offseason on it, he still won't have the range. Nick Franklin was a top 50 prospect coming up... how can you say he has questionable defense? You don't make it that high on that list with just a good bat.. it's all around talent. His defense is not questionable. You're comparing a legitimate shortstop to a guy who can't play any infield position that has to do with range.  

mets2891
mets2891

@nthmetsfan I mean, isn't it a red flag that the Mariners, a team starved for offense, are so willing to trade him?

mets2891
mets2891

@bigdirty You don't take trade Montero for a .225 hitting shortstop who can't field.  We have Tejada for that.

Victor Triguero
Victor Triguero

@bigdirty  Oh totally agree. Montero should not be dealt for this guy....he should of been part of a bigger package but they did not want to trade any pitching

dooley
dooley

That's funny because I am going in the opposite direction on Franklin. His strikeouts really scare me and I have an uneasy feeling that he could turn into Dan Uggla (which is not that bad of a career to have but...)

niesesnose
niesesnose

Still doesn't make much sense....The Rays have Escobar and Lee.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@dooley  Good point! I wasn't thinking that big but I could see that happening from both sides

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@eric88  Some people should be banned from posting, and it should start with you. It's called knowing how to build a team. You're right, he doesn't go out and make trades for the sake of making them. He thinks them through and finds the ones where he feels it will benefit our team. Trust me, he knows light years more about baseball and how to manage than you do. So I suggest you take the advice from other bloggers and stop posting.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

First off no way in hell they sign an elite FA SS next year. Any one that believes that has their head in the sand. And can we stop with the natural position stuff. Lagares is a. "Natural" SS should we move him back to SS?

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@cver @eric88  I think you're forgetting that he was a top 50 prospect, ANYONE we get will cost us a pitching prospect because we are full of them. To get good players, you need to give up good players. That's how it works. You can't try and cheat a team out of a player especially a guy who was a top 50 prospect at one point. If you don't want another Tejada, then you need to give up someone good or pay for someone to be better. If you are not willing to do that, then you are stuck with what you have.

metsopsis
metsopsis

They have a chance to get young pitching with cheap contracts. They just spent 240 million on Cano! Franklin's Range per game number was high last year albeit at second base.

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@mets2891 @bigdirty .225 in his first season as a 22 year-old is quite acceptable, especially considering the 20 doubles and 12 HRs.  I think you're greatly undervaluing his bat.  He was one of Seattle's top prospects before using up his rookie eligibility.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@dooley  True. Ask me in 5 minutes and I'll have flipped again. At this point I just want all this to end one way or another and get on with baseball. 

Craig Kelly
Craig Kelly

@niesesnose  
Escobar has an option, so they can opt to not pick it up and save $6M-7M.
Lee has had some trouble staying on the field, and he's dropped off
of most prospect lists after taking a significant step back at Double-A.
Plus, they might see Franklin as Zobrist-lite.  
They could develop him in a similar manner, as Super-UTIL guy

dooley
dooley

Rays may also be interested in a catcher, maybe Jesus Montero could be a throw in. Possibly Plawecki in a three-way, but I seriously doubt these names have been mentioned.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@niesesnose  From what I can see they are going to keep Lee down at AAA until later in the year. Maybe they play Franklin at 2B. But then what about Zobrist making 7M on the bench? But covers them if Escobar leaves after this year

dooley
dooley

True. You think there's any possibility of a three-way trade?

mets2891
mets2891

@rubiconx0 @mets2891 @bigdirty So he'll hit a few more homers, he still can't field, ended last season horribly, and is being shopped by a team desperate for offense.

mets2891
mets2891

@p8erbaghad @mets2891 @bigdirty No, .225 is pretty damn bad.  It's not good enough to trade a prospect like Montero.  Again, those numbers could easily be filled by another guy who can't field the position. I'd much rather have good glove out there, especially with the young staff.

niesesnose
niesesnose

That's what I was thinking... Here's my "TRAID" proposal

Rays get: Taijuan Walker, Jeff Walters

Mets get: Nick Franklin

M's get: David Price, Jacob DeGrom