Montero

Rafael Montero is going to be fine, says Murphy and Collins

Mets 23-year-old Rafael Montero pitched six innings and allowed three runs in his big-league debut Wednesday against the Yankees.

“I thought he threw the ball well,” Daniel Murphy said after the game. “I almost threw up in my first big-league game, and I didn’t have to face the Yankee lineup. I’m excited about him. I think he’s going to be just fine.”

Eric Young Jr misplayed a line drive that let in the first run charged to Montero. Yangervis Solarte and Mark Teixeira later hit home runs.

“I couldn’t have asked for anything better,” said Terry Collins. “I really liked him. This guy’s going to be good.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Montero hit his spots well, there is no denying it. This is his  calling card and it’s well earned. My only concern with him, as it was during Spring Training, is if he’s even slightly off he ends up grooving fastballs, which good hitters will tee off on. That said, he barely used his change-up last night, which will help this. I’m guessing the idea was to just play to his strengths until otherwise needed. I was also impressed with how he got more economical later in the game. He tossed 69 pitches through three innings, but grew more efficient as the game went on. This is rare for a young pitcher, especially a guy making his big-league debut, and something that gives more confidence about his ability to stick around.




46 comments
sheaheykid
sheaheykid

If Daniel Murphy isn't already our Assistant Pitching Coach, then he should be named one!


Make Love Not Warthen

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

That was a tough challenge. Seems like they were trying to foul off pitches to elevate his count, so if he can efficiently pitch to contact as people said he did towards the end, and has another pitch as a weapon, that's exciting.

jenkins
jenkins

Montero looked great.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

Why is this even something that needs to be talked about?  Montero was making his first-ever big league start against a pretty good lineup, and only gave up 3 runs in 6 innings!  That's considered a "quality start"!  And when you factor in the several defensive miscues by the Mets, Montero had a very good game.


Why are we talking about him as if he totally imploded and did something horrible like, say, give up 8 runs in 19 pitches or something?  He had a good game, and looks like he's going to be a solid contributor in this rotation.  Why do we feel we need to excuse his performance?


I must really be missing something here.

metjetnet
metjetnet

It can only be a great thing to have a "hit your spots" guy like Montero, sitting on the bench with a master like Colon. I'd hook their belts together for the rest of the season, so Rafael hears everything Colon has to say & took years to learn...

metjetnet
metjetnet

Time to get over this "if he's not Ruth or Spahn on his first day, he's broken merchandise" fantasy approach by the media & fan base. It just has to stop.

Carl Delellis
Carl Delellis

Yes he'll be ok because Murphy and Collins are experts

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

I think he did great considering the stage he was on and pitching in the spotlight his first outing. The only detraction from him was Tanaka's season, so far.


EYJ's play was a shout out to Mets management - play Lagares!

1craigswan
1craigswan

He had a good start considering the competition he was facing as well as the obvious misplay by EY Jr. 

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

The boy just made his debut. Give him a break. The "he will be fine" comment was not needed.  If he allowed 6-7 runs in the 1st inning without retiring a hitter then I would be concerned. Everyone on here couldn't wait to see him. Looking forward to watching this guy down the road.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Cody satterwhite is doing well in AA 27 yrs old why not bring him up for bullpen?

grillruben
grillruben

It was extremely frustrating that all of his runs came when he had two out, nobody on, then walked the next batter. Solarte's hr was hit because he fell behind him again with 2 outs and nobody on.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Are we really having "Montero will be fine" discussions???? It was his first start ever and it was against the Yankees. Leave him alone. We already prematurely torture Wheeler too much and now we are getting on Montero after one mediocre start. Ron Darling said something a few years ago that stuck with me...you need to give a top pitching prospect 500 innings in the ML before you can decide what kind of pitcher he is. It was about the amount of time we took to give up on Pelfrey. Wheeler can't even get a full year in before the negative outlooks start surfacing and now this kid after a start?? I'm glad Harvey did what he did last year but it has tricked our fan base into having unrealistic expectations for young pitchers.

90wins
90wins

Why was it Murphy who commented about Montero? That is very fishy. The Mets are not telling the truth just like how they were hiding Gee's injury. 

grillruben
grillruben

I'm concerned with his ability to put away hitters. He doesn't really have the secondary stuff to strike guys out and we could have another 5-6 inning guy on our hands here. I'll obviously give him the benefit of the doubt seeing the circumstances, but that's a concern for me.

bregs
bregs

With our future rotation he will fit in great.  He didn't have great command of his change up or slider last night.  If he improves them he will be very good.  He definitely lacked a big strike out pitch.  His fast ball will play well especially at citi field.  I am excited about harvery, wheeler, synaguard, montero and niese

nagel100
nagel100

Montero has an excellent fastball and good control  BUT his secondary pitches are ordinary.  he could be a #5 in the mets future rotation.  if he improves his slider and his change up then he could move up.

Straw18
Straw18

If it weren't for a few batters that had long ab's (maybe 10 pitches or so) he could have gone 7.......solid debut and I think he can be a solid contributor to the staff.....

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

I think we have become a little too entitled with our young pitching. A pitcher with the combined stuff and maturity Harvey had when he was coming up happens once in a generation for most teams. If we measure everyone by that we with be constantly disappointed. Most young top prospects still go through their growing pains. Even pitchers like Felix Hernandez and Justin Verlander pitched ok their first couple of years and didn't start breaking away from the pack till year 3 or 4. I think we are a little too far removed from the Aaron Heilman and Phil Humber's of the world to remember what it truly means for a young pitcher to struggle.

mrgee
mrgee

@metjetnet  Pretty sure Colon's gravitational force will pull Montero closer to him no matter what, so it should work out. 

72tilltc
72tilltc

@metjetnet  Colon will teach the kid not to care and use peds to get a contract and stay off em once you have a contract.

ltorres14
ltorres14

@metjetnet Welcome to the thinking of the millenial generation.  Everything is supposed to be handed to you and exactly when you want it.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Bob Burket I saw it as a throwaway comment by Murphy.  Nothing more, nothing less.


Gotta report something 24-7, so every quote, stat, and opinion needs to be printed.

Carl Delellis
Carl Delellis

Why if he gave up 7 runs in 8 innings it would still be a bad start.any start with 7 runs is terrible no?

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@grillruben It was plain sickening dude. He even walked 2 batters yesterday and then dared to throw 2 bad pitches, it looked like it was the first start of his career or something, we got to get this guy back on track.

absltuconn
absltuconn

@Zach Goeringer It wasn't even a "mediocre" start, as it fits in with the definition of "quality start" (a term that is terrible and I even hate using).  And that was with the horrible play by EYJr.  I completely agree with you though, give the kid a chance to get more than 1 start under his belt before we start making conclusions about how well he'll do.

Mark Kohn
Mark Kohn

@90wins Only you claim the Mets were hiding Gee's injury, even though it happened Tuesday.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@90wins  I saw post game with Murph They wanted an answer from someone with baseball evaluation skills instead of the nonsense from Terry.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@nagel100 Like to see Montero pitch 150 innings so we can see what hes capable of.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@nagel100  He will be like Gee and Niese Bobby jones Rick Reed and john Maine underated but when healthy all better than Wheeler.

Leo Chang
Leo Chang

Whatever works.. as long as he doesn't get caught

90wins
90wins

@grillruben @Albert E Lewis  Well, Solarte was in the minors for 7 years and now he is hitting bombs in Citi field. Give Cody a shot I say.

grillruben
grillruben

@Zach Goeringer

When did I say he did bad or that we need to demote him? His walks simply came at very bad times. It was wet for the beginning of the game, he was probably nervous, it was his first start, yadda, yadda, I understand that.


I'm simply saying what I observed. And all of his runs came with 2 outs in situations in which he got the first two batters of the inning out. That is something that is frustrating. 


I know it was his first start, and I was happy with it. We were also .500 and if we won 2 games out of the division. So I'm not going to just say "yay he made his first start who cares we lost!".

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@absltuconn @Zach Goeringer Exactly. I don't care if they scored 10 runs off him yesterday or if he threw a no hitter, even trying to judge what kind of pitcher he is going to be after one measly start is just nonsense

90wins
90wins

@72tilltc @90wins  Isn't the catcher (didn't pay attention whether it was Recker or TDA) or Wright in a better position to answer that.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@mkjc @grillruben It was a 6 inning sample of him pitching the biggest game of his life. If you watched film on him in the minors you would know he has absolutely no problem commanding his off speed pitches or working deep into games. I'm really shocked people are trying to analyze exactly what kind of pitcher he is after watching him throw 6 innings against the Yankees. It goes to show why you shouldn't do that when literally every analysis of the guy i've seen today is the opposite of what he actually is.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@grillruben @Zach Goeringer Ok but what im trying to say to you is because of these nerves and the situation it gives you a skewed vision of what to be frustrated about. The pitcher you saw yesterday is the exact opposite of who he actually has been over the last 3 years in the minors. I get two out base runners are frustrating but that's not the norm for him at all. I'm sorry but I get very defensive when a pitcher gets analyzed under adverse situations.

mkjc
mkjc

@Zach Goeringer @mkjc @grillruben  The write up was prior to the game. Just pointing out how accurate it was at predicting the Montero that we saw a few hours later. The guy went 6 innings and really gave up only two runs (I don't count the EY run). If he gave you that every outing he'd be a Cy Young contender. I am definitely not complaining.

Mike Garrison
Mike Garrison

@Zach Goeringer @Mike Garrison  Good point. In 2013 he only threw 100+ pitches 5 times. All in all I thought it was a great pitched game overshadowed by the dominance of Tanaka. A misplayed ball by EY, and 2 long balls. The Yankees never really put something together against Montero. 

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@Mike Garrison True, but keep in mind you are pulled generally earlier in games in the minors regardless of performance. How many times do we see a cg thrown in the minors? what we do see with him is an extremely low walk ratio and great command of his pitches, that usually leads to being able to work deep into games once he is acclimated. 110 pitches through 6 innings is highly out of character for Montero and should not be the norm once he settles in.

Mike Garrison
Mike Garrison

@Zach Goeringer @mkjc @grillruben  I agree this shouldn't even be a conversation, but since it is, it's worth noting that Montero does have trouble going deep into games. From 2012-2014 he's made 59 starts and he only went 7 innings or more 4 times, so he does have a point there.


Hopefully one of his off-speed pitches will develop into a put away pitch and then we won't see so many foul balls and high pitch counts. Montero is my favorite out of the three (Noah, Wheeler, and Montero) and I'm very excited to see him every 5th day now.