Sandy Alderson says 2014 is about winning

“2014 is not about individual story lines. It’s not about rehabs. It’s about winning,” Sandy Alderson said Wednesday on SNY’s Mets Hot Stove.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Alderson has committed $87 million to Bartolo Colon, Curtis Granderson and Chris Young, which is impressive. This, plus the young rotation and hopefully improvement from Travis d’Arnaud, should help bring slightly more success next season. It’s still a start, though. These are all good moves, they’re steps in the right direction, but the roster is still in need of improvement.

At this point, Alderson may only be left with $5 million to spend on next year’s team, assuming reported payroll numbers end up being accurate. This probably explains why he’s interested in trading Ike Davis and/or Daniel Murphy, who will likely earn a combined $8 million or so in 2014. In either case, Alderson has worked to create options this week, he’s resourceful and there are still several weeks before pitchers and catchers report to St. Lucie… Keep hustling, Sandy.

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Brandon Christopher McNeely
Brandon Christopher McNeely

Really Cerrone you think that is impressive?  Wow they really have fans lowering the bar ever since Madeoff scandal. Sad.

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so granderson supplements the loss of byrd's production more or less. colon, at 41, was decent, in the context of the FA SP market, but AT BEST the mets are right back where they were last year.


The OF is 1 productive player and 2 guys we hope do ok, but likely don't start on a most teams.


The IF is a good 3b and a pretty good 2B with holes at 1B and SS. 


These 2-3 things need to be addressed before i start getting giddy and caught up in the moment after signing colon.


people who call this whining, i call you complacent enablers that allow an elite major market franchise to operate in a manner that begets losing.


and don't ask me who i would go acquire. i don't have the privy to negotiate and that closes me off from the possibilities. that's ownerships/GM's job. just show me the end product and i'll tell you if it will suffice. as it currently stands, the roster does not suffice.


Hodges14
Hodges14

every year should be about winning.  They're a professional sports franchise.  Winning is the only thing they should be concerned with.

metsboy
metsboy

A NY team spending 87 million. We thought this was our year to spend money. Looks like we were sold a bill of goods again. It's hard to be a Met fan, but what can you do?

kappyesq
kappyesq

I'm sorry, but if Lucas Duda, Ruben Tejada, and Juan Legares are starting on this team they're not going to win in 2014. I love the Granderson signing; I like the Colon signing, but not so much at 2 years; and I like the Chris Young signing. However, there are going to be A LOT of .235-.250 hitters in this lineup. Even if they add Drew, he's another career .250 hitter who is only getting as much attention as he is due to the horrible SS market. It looks like Wright & Murphy are going to be, once again, the only hitters who approach .300. Without men on base you can't score runs. I just wish they would have added a high average, high OBP hitter at either 1B or CF. Additionally, the Mets are once again without a table-setter at the top of the order. Their offense hasn't been close to the same since they lost Reyes.

Mets6986
Mets6986

What a joke. $87M??!?!?


The Mariners spent $240M on ONE Player (Cano)! And that's not even counting their new acquisitions Hart and Morrison. The Yankees have spent almost $300M.


Please stop trying to dress up the pig with fancy dresses, Matt.


Make no mistake, our $80M payroll is THE PIG.

Elizabeth Hernandez
Elizabeth Hernandez

Good job alderson just we need a good reliever like rodney or axford and a short stop and he gonna be drew

tullydew
tullydew

Impressive?

They were a 74 win team with Harvey and Bryd. Replacing those 2 w/ Colon and Granderson is NOT an improvement.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

If it's about winning there'd be more then just 5 mil to spend...that being said...as a group we've rightfully been very negative this offseason but at the very least these three signings make me wait to see what else is coming since the team is much better now then it was 2 months ago.

tullydew
tullydew

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — This can’t really be the plan, right?

This offseason that the Mets have spent 36 months telling us is their moment of change, their U-turn back to respectability and more, isn’t really adding Curtis Granderson and thinking you’ll be so overjoyed you dial 718-507-TIXX?

Let’s be fair to the organization: It is not even two weeks into December. The Mets say they are not done. But they are hinting at being done on relevant moves. That somehow they looked at the price for Jhonny Peralta, all but fainted, decided they would do one big thing, swallowed hard and went to four years on Granderson and now they are going to bottom feed and, yep, enjoy Ruben Tejada at shortstop.

If this really is it — after all the buildup asking for patience to let the money of Johan Santana and Jason Bay go away — then this will be a breach with the fan base. The promise was stick with us, we have a big vision: Restock the farm, regain financial equilibrium and then step on the gas pedal to relevance and contention.

“Honoring the commitment is about making the effort and we are making the effort,” Sandy Alderson said shortly after a press conference Tuesday that made Granderson’s signing official. “This isn’t just about making moves to make moves. You have to make good ones.”

I am sorry. This is not about effort. It is about execution.

The obstacles to delivering the goods did not sneak up on the Mets. They knew three years ago — at the outset of this process — free-agent prices were going to almost certainly keep rising (along with the revenues in the game). They knew how unappetizing that would be.

Implicit in making the promise is you know you are going to hate the costs. If that is unacceptable: 1) don’t make the promises or 2) get out of the baseball business.

These are the prices to sit at this particular casino — you don’t get to set the minimum at the blackjack tables or the shortstop market. At some point, this organization is going to have to rediscover its inner New York Mets — emphasis on New York, and the presence of a team-owned TV network, a relatively new stadium and a loyal Northeast fan base. Heading toward another $85 million-ish payroll is — quite frankly — not honoring the commitment. It is being the San Diego Mets.

“I don’t want to create expectations or defeat expectations,” Alderson said. “We are making the efforts.”

I bet that is true and I also bet that if you have read this far and feel indignation, you feel it toward Wilpon ownership. Fine. I think there is financial worry and caution at the top after being burned by Santana, Bay and Madoff. But this is about Alderson, too. This front office tends to move slowly — a complaint waged regularly by other front offices — examining, scrutinizing, getting down to molecular levels on deals. You do that and you will talk yourself out of almost everything.

Also, no front office likes free agency and the constantly burgeoning costs, but as one NL executive who admires Alderson’s work product said, “These guys really hate free agency to start with and now the prices have gone beyond the wildest expectations.”

Again, totally true. But here are other truths: The Mets have been miserable five years running. They have had falling payrolls, lowered expectations. The hiring of Alderson was about a journey to now, and now is here, and here was about accepting the cost and flexing financial might.

We shouldn’t pooh-pooh Granderson. He is an above-average player coming to an organization that has had too few. But the Mets needed way more than one, especially with Matt Harvey lost for next year. Is Chris Young above average? Perhaps. But he wasn’t last season, and actually has trended the wrong way the past three.

Jeff Wilpon described that duo plus Juan Lagares as “a pretty substantial outfield.” But across town, the Yankees have redone their outfield since July with Alfonso Soriano, Jacoby Ellsbury and Carlos Beltran. The Yankees indulged the overpay, what the Mets loathe. But they have a more substantial outfield.

So where do the Mets go next? They bad-mouthed Tejada being their shortstop not long ago. But then Peralta went for four years at $53 million to St. Louis — about double what the Mets budgeted for him — and Rafael Furcal’s medical reports became more worrisome. Alderson did not sound enthused about the best free-agent shortstop available, Stephen Drew, and the Indians did not sound enthused about what the Mets might offer for Asdrubal Cabrera.

Plus there is still a starter, some late-game relief and general depth to address. There is a lot of winter left, perhaps Alderson’s crew can find some deals. But after 36 months of promises this can’t be it on significance — Curtis Granderson and a healthy new year to you.

mrnegative
mrnegative

In a perfect world I'm sure the mets would love to sign or trade for a SS that can leadoff but that's not gonna happen. I think their plan right now is to trade Ike and sign Drew if the red sox don't sign him first. I hope and think they will go over their reported budget that they set. I also think if they sign Drew then Lagares will NOT be starting. Instead I think they'll start EY in the outfield and have either CY or Granderson start at CF. The lineup will look something like this:

Young Jr.

Murphy

Wright

Granderson

Young

Drew

d'Arnaud

Duda

They'll also probably sign a reliever as well. Maybe Axford or Boggs.

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

So...what was the point of the last few years? To lose?

section22
section22

I disagree with Matt. These moves are not impressive nor do they make us better than the elite teams in baseball. We have no lead off hitter, no shortstop and a bunch of 200 hitters in the 6-8 spots in the lineup.  I thought the money would be spent on Peralta, Nelson Cruz or someone who would make a difference.

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

Colon has a rubber arm he won18 games playing in a hitters park citi field is anything but a hitter park

denmac19
denmac19

Cerrone is happy with these moves? These are C and D level additions at best. What a joke. This is what it's come to, that we have to hail these so so moves like they're Carter and Hernandez. Count me out...

William Ost
William Ost

Colon is a very nice addition to this rotation. Now if there really serious about winning in 2014 they need to upgrade at shortstop hopefully by signing Drew and then adding another bat at first. If they do that then I'd agree its about winning.

willy
willy

ONE MORE BAT, ONE MORE BAT.

     Cruz, Cesp, Morales .. do it!!

Doug Cioffi
Doug Cioffi

I would hope so...isn't that the point of playing the game?

Ziggy Jones
Ziggy Jones

logan morrison to seattle. now the "musical chairs" at 1b can start shifting again

mrseaver2u
mrseaver2u

"Alderson has committed $87 million to Bartolo ColonCurtis Grandersonand Chris Young, which is impressive."


Impressive?? I don't know if this is propaganda or Stockholm Syndrome, but Matt Cerrone is mouthing nonsense here that happens to be the company line. What the Mets did was spend $30 million for next year, which is a start for a team in the biggest market in the country, with its own regional sports network, with $50 mil coming off the books and with $25- $50M coming from MLB from its new TV deal -- but "impressive"?? The facts simply do not support such a Cerroneous conclusion.


I like the Granderson move, and I like the Colon move, as long as the Colon signing doesn't mean we only have nine cents left in which to procure a MLB SS and a power bat. Remember, as good as these signings feel, Grandy only replaces Byrd and Colon doesn't even replace Harvey -- and we were an awful team last year.


Sandy has elevated this team to about the level of awfulness it was at last year. Now he needs to make the team BETTER.



Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

If 2014 is about winning then go sign Drew or trade for a SS. ( Jed Lowrie?) Maybe I'm being sucked in, but I'm starting to believe in a "Plan"

Matt Tyksinski
Matt Tyksinski

@ton I think if Granderson comes back to anywhere near his 2011 or 2012 form he will be a major upgrade over Byrd which is likely because Granderson is a better player both offensively and defensively. Colon's job is to bridge the gap while Harvey recovers from Tommy John Surgery. The Chris Young deal... well I don't know about that deal I feel like we could have done better than that. I wouldn't be surprised if we go out and get a shortstop now while parting w/ one of our top prospects (I'm assuming most likely Montero) Granted I don't know exactly how high other teams view him. I hope we don't move Noah but if it would get a substantial return for an impact bat I wouldn't be against it.


We will see, I am hoping that we are not finished for the off-season acquisitions but who knows. I think on paper right now we are a better team than last year but I don't think it's by much. 

nncyel
nncyel

@Hodges14 Wrong. Professional sports franchises are primarily about entertainment. Unfortunately most in our society equate winning with entertainment. Doesn't have to be that way. 

I was in grad school in Iowa in the early 80s. My best friend and I spent a lot of time being entertained watching Mets & Cubs games; made a trip to Wrigley Field. Didn't matter that the teams were fighting it out for last place. And the trip to Wrigley was like visiting heaven - didn't matter which team won and quite frankly I don't remember.

Calamity Francis
Calamity Francis

off season isn't over yet.  Don't forget we had Duda in the outfield, a hugely awful ike at 1b for long time.  not to mention marcum.  there is plenty of room for improvement and we'll see something better at SS at well.

Calamity Francis
Calamity Francis

I would like to see TDA batting second.  He's got a great guy and won't clog the bases.  Have him focus on getting on base and his offense will come around accordingly.  That said, I see the rationale for letting him get more comfortable in the major first by batting him lower in the lineup and keeping expectations low.

metfan9876
metfan9876

Peralta was ridiculously priced and only took a discount for St. Louis. Also, Granderson is a better signing than Cruz would have been. Going off past performances, chances of continued success, ect., not what they will do in the future.

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@denmac19 complacency is a bitch. i lol'd at the guy who made the on point stockholm syndrome comment regarding cerrone yesterday.

kappyesq
kappyesq

I'd LOVE it if they could grab Cespedes without giving up a top SP. Kendry would also be a huge upgrade over Duda at 1B & allow them to finally send his AAA A$$ on his way. Cruz, not so much. Nevertheless, I do agree that 1 more bat would be HUGE. I would certainly look at the trade market & maybe Sandy can actually show he is somewhat close to as good as we've been told he is. So far he hasn't made any moves that an average GM could have made. Omar Minaya got us 1 game from the World Series. Sandy Alderson has gotten us 77 wins & 3rd place in the NL East.

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

@Mrseaver2u Did you bump your head on something? Same as last year you are nuts, Granderson trumps Byrd, C.Young offers more power then anyone else you had in the outfield last year. Young has a chance to go 250/25/85. Not far off from what he would've produced if a full time player last year. Colon is not Harvey by far but is more then capable. Plus the expected growth of D'arnaud, Lagares, and Wheeler. If this team adds 1 more bat they are easily a wild card contender.

grendel
grendel

@mrseaver2u Totally agree. But saying Colon "replaces" Harvey is like saying Wally Pipp "replaces" Gehrig. 


Ok, that's a bit over-the-top, but that's the point. He replaces the body. No way he replaces the production. So, it still doesn't seem like 2014 is a net gain over 2013 unless bats are added. 

Hodges14
Hodges14

@Kevin VanTassell This is the first offseason that Alderson has been here where they actually had a plan.  The other years they were just stalling for time for the Wilpons.

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@nncyel @Hodges14 oh wow, what a great fan you are! maybe you are entertained by losing. the rest of us have had enough of that sort of entertainment in recent years.

kappyesq
kappyesq

We had Duda at 2 different positions in 2 years without so much as a hint of competition behind him, yet he found himself demoted both years. What makes you think he is all of a sudden going to be this productive player just because he moves to 1B? We are going to have a huge hole at 1B come July when it is clear as a summer day that Duda is not a Major League caliber player. You are well within your right to call Davis awful, but at least he has shown the ability to hit 30 HR in the majors. Duda hasn't shown anything but the inability to seize & secure a starting job that has been handed to him.

mrnegative
mrnegative

@Calamity Francis That's what I assume the mets are gonna do with d'Arnaud. Bat him lower in the lineup to give him more confidence and expose him less. I really like Murphy batting 2nd. He does really well moving runners over and hitting with men in scoring position. His OBP is not ideal for batting high in the lineup but Murph is clutch. I prefer him than anyone else batting 2nd.

mrnegative
mrnegative

@Steven Matregrano hey they can do that too. Either way I think that lineup can be very productive. They gotta sign Drew though. Let's hope for the best.

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@Bo Beck you are singling out hand picked positive notes about chris young and that is spin city. you omit the obvious many flaws. "young offering more power" means not much. he was a 4th OF and his ops was under 800. not a powerful OF bat by MLB standards just because he has hit HR into the 20's b4.


to say granderson trumps byrd is also not a given by any means. career-wise of course. but no way granderson exceeds a .260 BA, more like .240-.250. byrd hit round .290. it will be very interesting to compare byrd's 2013 stats to granderson's 2014 stats by year's end. 

mrseaver2u
mrseaver2u

@Bo Beck You tell me I bumped my head and then conclude on the precise point I made: They need to add another bat. 


I love the Internet. People think being casually obnoxious is a substitute for intelligence.

Tyler Della Badia
Tyler Della Badia

He can get about 75% of what harvey did...and he's coming into the national league as well. 

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

@grendal Not in K's or ERA, but can surpass Harvey in innings and wins. Not saying it was Harveys fault but what was Harveys win total last year?.

Matt Tyksinski
Matt Tyksinski

@nncyel @ton @Hodges14 I mean it would still be pretty great if the Mets could have a successful season. I think it's a more enjoyable game to watch when your team is winning more games than they're losing. I will always be a Mets fan but at a certain point regardless of what team you root for you want to see you're team win, or at least be competitive. 

nncyel
nncyel

@ton @nncyel @Hodges14 Fine. Don't go to games. Don't watch games on television. No one's forcing you to. It's the demanding tone of you and others that really grates on me, like  you have some god-given right to have your sports franchises win championships. It's not what it's all about for me. I enjoyed football Giants games for years (60s, 70s, early 80s) before they even sniffed a Super Bowl. Fans loved the Mets all through the 60s when they were horrible. 

And if you look at the totality of sports franchises in New York other than the Yankees, few of them have been very successful in terms of championships. Does that stop people from going to Knicks or Rangers games? The Rangers have won one Stanley Cup in my lifetime. I'm still entertained by their games. Knicks have won two. I'm still entertained by their games. Mets have won two. I'm still entertained by their games. 

The level of whining about teams on this and other sites is disconcerting. A bunch of spoiled, demanding childish brats is what most of you are (think children in stores crying/screaming at the top of their lungs because their Mommy isn't getting them what they want). Nattering nabobs of negativism. Try to get a more sophisticated view of what life is all about - sports teams winning or losing is pretty low on the list.

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@Tyler Della Badia yeah but that is a spin. sure he is coming into the NL. but he is also going from a park more conducive to the long ball, is also a year older. 


by basing it off of last year's performance you are assuming his aberrational year is what will occur again. dude has a career ERA a shade under 4.

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@Bo Beck the logical consensus among fans is that W-L is an outdated almost irrelevant stat in the context of a SP. you have the bullpen factor and your own team's offense involved. cliff lee was elite two years ago and couldn't buy a W.