Quote: Chipper Jones on Ike Davis, Josh Thole

“I don’t think I’ve seen a guy, pound for pound, with more pop than he’s got…It’s just a matter of him getting his reps in, seeing the league a couple times, and getting comfortable.  He showed me enough last year to impress me.  He’s very slick at first, a well-rounded ballplayer.  If he connects, the ball will hit the Grand Canyon.”

~ Chipper Jones, as quoted by the Daily News

I was so impressed Davis was able to make one adjustment after the next last year, especially towards the end of the season. He seems so poised and mature for someone so young, and I am expecting him to have a big year in 2011.

According to FanGraphs, Bill James expects Davis to hit .283 with 23 home runs and 78 RBI. I expect more than that from him this season, assuming he stays healthy, although that might not be fair to him.

In addition, regarding Josh Thole, Jones said “he doesn’t have the pop that some young guys have, but he’s very disciplined at the plate. He’s more out of my mold because he’s more concerned with hitting .300 and being a tough out.”

I can envision Thole being a top of the order-type hitter at some point. He has been a great contact hitter so far and shows very good plate discipline as well, and I could see him developing more pop as time goes on.





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biggreen32
biggreen32

Hey Guys - Sorry for the irrelevant post.  Does anybody know somebody who has defaults on PSL payments?  I lost my job and am facing that situation and the Jets have some tough language in the contract so wondering how hard they are going to come after me.  Thanks in advance.

Bent
Bent moderator

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bob
bob

I just bought Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones new book.


Its called meddling with the donkey.



levi
levi

 Play like a Brown? It just doesnt roll off the tongue like play like a Jet.

Bent
Bent moderator

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bob
bob

2 excellent receivers on a team is better than 1.

I don't think I seen 1 mock draft where the Jets pic in the 1st and 2nd round receivers.


could happen.


Now after that that's when money gets a little tight and dats when you draft your tight ends.

nesboogie
nesboogie

What if Justin Gilbert or Darqueze Dennard is available?

Micjeffry
Micjeffry

@SNYtv awww to bad worst contract ,EVER,,Holmes,you did nothing,for this team but ,ripped it apart

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

if we could of atleast kept cotchery in 2011 with holmes and burress and put anyone but wayne hunter at right tackle i think holmes and sanchez would of both put up better numbers and the jets possibly sneaking into the playoffs that year 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  It'll get more attention if you re-post it in the daily links thread.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100  From below:


***PSA***


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Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  We have a turd in the punchbowl.  I repeat, we have a turd in the punchbowl.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  Barnes gets a D?  Played well and then suffered an unfortunate injury, but remains under contract at a reasonable rate.  WHAT A TERRIBLE MOVE.


I also thought it was convenient that the good acquisitions Idzik made (Nelson, Ivory, Reed) didn't meet Rich's criteria.

juunit
juunit

@Bent  

Richie Incognito smashed his own Ferrari with a bat. Think anyone still wants to sign him?

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples  


"I said  SIXTEEN MONTHS AGO that Holmes did NOT have the WHEREWITHAL (as a person)  to come BACK from his injury !!!"


He came back from the injury though.

williamg1
williamg1

@Hanknaples  Hank, you've said a bunch of other things during those 16 months that made people disregard what you were saying during those 16 months. 

levi
levi

@Hanknaples  Who do you want them to get to replace Holmes Hank?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  I know it's not football, but Mike Trout is playing for $1 million this year. His WAR in 2013 was 9.2, per Baseball Reference. 


The top seven salaries this past year COMBINED for a 9.2 WAR. They earned $173 million (compared to Trout's $500k or so). 


I bring this up because, if a guy was playing like Trout is, and by that I mean a super high level consistently for more than one season, then yeah...I'd be fine with the team jumping the typical timeline and give them a new deal, assuming they have the money on hand and are done changing the roster elsewhere. 


But doing it for every good soldier that you draft would be overkill. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  Kilgore?  Hasn't started a game for them yet and is mostly just a jumbo package guy.  I'd imagine he isn't getting much more than the minimum with a small signing bonus.  In fact he's never played 20 snaps in a game.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent "First order of business. Everyone holdout. That'll show them!" 


*fast foward two weeks*


"Okay, the league owners are seemingly content to wait it out while all of us living paycheck-to-paycheck run out of money. I am resigning as of today, fight the good fight!" 

harold
harold

That article was a waste.  He gave F to simple depth signing like Garay and Peterman.  These were simply fill out the roster guys if they make the team great if not no big deal.  Not sure they even deserved to be graded.

Lastly Kellen Winslow was not a D signing.  He was at worst a C.  He said he was grading on a curve.  He certainly was a downward one.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit I think he followed that up with a trip to the Livefyre server room. 

levi
levi

@Bent Yes, but other than that his statement is flawless.

Pat d
Pat d

Replace Holmes with Evans or Lee

davem
davem

My Chuck Norris idea was serious... Dead Serious.

davem
davem

If the Players Union hires Sean Gilbert to represent them, the Owners should replace Goodell with Chuck Norris.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent  Mind boggling, the whole thing.  He advises Revis to leverage his way to a deal the league can't really afford and it's the meat-and-potatoes minimum salary guys who lose out in the long run.  If he can dupe them into thinking he's looking out for the interests of "the players" rather than an every man for himself entitlement that he thinks will be productive, then that would be a disgrace.


Who fits the bill so that Darrelle Revis can have platinum handles in his jacuzzi rather than gold ones?  Fans, retired players and the players at the bottom of the food chain (the majority).


...of course the owners are pretty much in the same position, because they're not likely to be the ones to lose out.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Bytor @Bent @a57se  I believe OTC projected 12m for Decker, which I thought was higher than I expected.

Bytor
Bytor

@Bent @a57se  Is Decker really going to get $10-$12M? I think I can convince myself that $10M would work. 


What do you think of these moves: Sign Decker, draft OBJ or Cooks, draft another bigger receiver in the third. OBJ or Cooks take over the slot when Kerley leaves in free agency.


*ducks*

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  I know you wouldn't but let's say the team is dead-set on spending some money to bring in an established vet WR (possible) ... A or B?

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Sanders for 5-6M or Decker for 10-12M tho?

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Because this way he can wash out all the positive draft picks with the negative ones and he doesn't have to give either one a positive overall grade. 


I think the offseason was a net positive, but if you break it up you can argue the individual pieces as being below-average. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  It's a trade, not a free agent signing.  But why not grade his "offseason acquisitions" not just his free agent signings?

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah. Put that in the Jets' locker room and the stink would never go away. The team being the Pats definitely makes it a special case, but I'd agree it was worth it for them. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se  I was having this conversation with a buddy yesterday that is similar to the "Was Winslow a good signing?" argument, but on a bigger scale...


Was Aaron Hernandez a good draft pick?


Yes, right?  I mean, they still got four years of fringe all-star level production from the guy and on his way out he doesn't seem to have damaged the credibility of the franchise or torn apart the team, as embarrassing as that situation was.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se 


I'd give it either a C or a C+. Without the suspension it would likely have been in the B-range. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se He was 4th on the team in catches despite missing 4 games due to a suspension and being benched in favor of Cumby multiple times. 


He was clearly Geno's favorite target pre-suspension. 

harold
harold

Winslow played fine.  He got suspended.  But he helped us win a couple games on a min salary.  Can't ask for much more than that.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

If 57 thinks its a good article then I know not to read it. Cuz we all know his narrative on idzik so I'm sure all it does is support that.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I just hope Hanker and Fonzie don't throw out their Gholston/Incognito combo jerseys. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit  After what he did to that locker room, "wildfire" might be a better name for him.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit  I'm not sure which one that statement is a bigger insult for. 

juunit
juunit

Haha. Maybe Richie Incognito IS Livefyre.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  That's what happened with Revis.


- Hey, let's work out a long term deal.


- Okay, I want $15-20m.


- Uhhh, you're not worth that.


- Okay, I'm going to be disgruntled and cause a major distraction for the next three seasons then.


You know the media would be all over it if talks broke down and they got wind that the guy they called "the druggie" was disgruntled.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  That's the only way it's happening and like I said, I don't know if Idzik favors such an approach or not.


Opening negotiations and then realizing the player wants more than you're prepared to give him can backfire of course.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  It's not so much the risk as the question that a guy like Ellis would even want to make that kind of deal.


If I were Kenrick's agent, I'd probably advise him not to sign a modest deal with the Jets because this might be his only chance at a big contract and he might have to go somewhere he can get a bigger role to earn it.  In the long run a one year deal elsewhere with a chance to play more could be his best way of maximizing his earning potential.


Was discussing this with Jason recently and he agreed.


Obviously I don't want him to leave...


Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  It's a PR move to some extent.  Note how the Niners GM made a statement saying "See?  We look after our young players here".  With Kilgore being inexpensive, but amenable to adding a year or two on if it means he's still getting an opportunity and not losing out on the chance of big money elsewhere I could see them tossing him a few extra KG's to let them do this.


Would love them to lock up Harrison and Ellis while they only have a year to go on their deal (although Harrison will be an RFA), but each of them will be more expensive than Kilgore and you risk opening up a can of worms.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  I get that, but Ellis has played more than twice as much as Kilgore and had a much bigger impact so I don't imagine they'd be able to lock him up as quickly and easily.  In fact, if I was Ellis, I'd be reluctant to sign a low level deal now, when I could significantly increase my value by building on last year.  The only way to bridge that gap would be with incentives and escalators and I don't know whether those are Idzik's MO.