Pre-Game: Collins says F-Mart will DH tomorrow

This morning at Citi Field, Terry Collins spoke with reporters about a variety of topics, essentially saying the following:

  • Fernando Martinez will be the designated hitter at Yankee Stadium tomorrow and Saturday, and Carlos Beltran will DH on Sunday.
  • He wants to make sure Jason Bay is comfortable with the idea of batting second, and he hasn’t talked to him about it yet.
  • He’s looking forward to his first Subway Series.
  • He thinks the gap between Triple-A and the majors is so great because players are pushed through their systems so fast now.
  • He thinks the fact Justin Turner is so confident in his abilities is a big factor for his recent success.

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chrisr
chrisr

Why is it that our coaches can't see that Pryor isn't the best option until season is nearly over or aboushi over winters? Or Vick over Geno. Is it an "organizational decision" or Rex?

jaygo
jaygo

Interesting take on jarrett from the Philly angle, particularly the fan comments: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014/11/10/7186425/jaiquawn-jarrett-former-eagles-safety-excelling-new-york-jets


2nd rounder in 2011, went onto dysfunctional Eagles "dream team" that went bust with stars Asomugha and DRC at corners that got Reid and MM fired the next year.  Came from Temple (Eagles back yard) and was overmatched leading to his release.  Most of the fan comments suggest they gave up on him too quick in a shaky regime.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se Finding a quality WR in the 1st 4 rounds of this past draft was as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.  Probably the biggest reason for firing Idzik is his 4th round misses, while Bryant was available...both times.

fatrex
fatrex

@a57se  I find it hard to believe that first round picks are being benched just for their play on a 1-8 team. He needs to learn, and the best way to learn is to play.

juunit
juunit

@a57se 

Sure. Jarrett truly is playing better. It's not a huge stretch to say it's true. 100% true? Maybe not. But at least partially. 

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@williamg1 yeah, I noticed that to and I have to admit(although its killing me) that he is a major improvement over Winters.

fatrex
fatrex

@williamg1 That's excellent news, it would be great to have a young, cheap guy on that line, where the average age is starting to become an issue

Bent
Bent moderator

@jaygo Just wasn't a scheme fit there.

fatrex
fatrex

@a57se by winning yesterdays game, we've put ourselves out of position to draft a blue chip qb, which depresses the hell out of this Jets fan. The 14-15 Jets have very little to gain by winning any more games, nomatter how you slice it.

juunit
juunit

@a57se 

What's wrong with that? We obviously need a QB. Coples may be a solid player, but his pass rushing just hasn't come along to where it needs to be. And Chris Johnson is done while Ivory isn't an every down back.

All three of those sound like great picks actually. The only one I'm a little unsure of is Kikaha, but that's just because I haven't seen him enough. He got hurt after the first drive in Saturday's game, which was the first time I was gonna watch him play. 

BDarc23
BDarc23

@SackDance99 @a57se I agree that not getting a WR is horrible especially with guys like Bryant and John Brown looking like steals,  but Odell Beckham was never a possibility

Bent
Bent moderator

@Ron Alexander @williamg1 Admitting someone is a major improvement over Winters is no big deal.


Hopefully he'll continue to get better and one day you can admit he's actually a good player!

jaygo
jaygo

@Bent @jaygo Agreed.  BTW, while you're at it, I'd enjoy your take on the positioning of the safeties.  I don't know if it comes through on the TV, but our safeties on 90% of the plays were in the next county like 20 yards or more off the ball.  I saw this with Pryor last few weeks and it looked like they were protecting him to me.  Yesterday, Ben was forced to go underneath all game as the safeties ran to any WR that came down field.  I was surprised Steelers didn't go more to the TE over the middle but it looked like the LBs were stunting and hiding their coverages having Ben all confused.  Anyway, the scheme looked key to me yesterday and I'd like your take on that.  I thought Rex clearly outcoached Tomlin. 

roadyhorns
roadyhorns

@fatrex @a57se 

Feels good to win though.  There's no guarantees that either Winston or Mariota will ever develop into NFL QBs.  Neither one of them is a sure shot guy.  Let's not get too depressed about missing out on them.

juunit
juunit

@roadyhorns @fatrex @a57se 

It's not just the first round though. The higher pick translates to all the other rounds too. Being three picks later in the 2nd round could lead us to missing out on some other great player. A WR or CB for example. 

I think realistically we were gonna have to trade up to get a QB anyway. It was always gonna be really hard to be worse than the Raiders or Jags. Especially since we beat the Raiders and they'd be picking before us if we end with the same record. 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

I do like that he's one of the seemingly few guys who is putting Winston before Mariota.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Ron Alexander @williamg1


I think it's perhaps too early to say that, although he's doing pretty well so far.


It was more a comment about the fact that "upgrade over Winters" does not necessarily have to constitute "good".

Bklyn Dude
Bklyn Dude

@a57se 

Only to the Met fans on this site. 

Feel free to skip it and continue with your important work.

roadyhorns
roadyhorns

@juunit @roadyhorns @fatrex @a57se 

I say trade this year's first, which will most likely be a top 5, for more picks in 2016.  Ride it out with Vick next year as we break in more pieces and hopefully have another high pick in 2016, making that 2 top selections.  We can load up if we're patient.

fatrex
fatrex

@juunit @a57se That narrative is changing, I'm definitely starting to lean towards jameis

juunit
juunit

@BDarc23 @a57se @SackDance99 

Allen Robinson. 

Cooks has 500 yards with Drew Brees throwing to him. Cooks also was healthy for all of training camp.

Robinson has 550 yards with Blake Bortles throwing to him. Robinson missed the entire training camp and didn't play a single preseason snap.

We could've gotten Robinson in the 2nd. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @fatrex The Jets are helped by the fact that its doubtful the Jags and Raiders will be in the QB market.  They'll be looking to move down and stockpile picks.

juunit
juunit

@roadyhorns @juunit @fatrex @a57se 

I wanted to trade Revis for the future 1st instead of the one we got. But that was all in an effort to get a QB.

We have to find a QB eventually. Why not now? It's looking like a solid year to find one. If we pass one up this year we could be looking at another 2009 or 2013 next time around. A year where we badly need a QB but there aren't any good ones available. 

juunit
juunit

@fatrex @juunit @a57se 

On field I don't think there's any real debate to be had. It's all about the off field stuff. But realistically we won't know how big a role that's going to play until draft night (assuming he even comes out at all.)

fatrex
fatrex

@juunit @fatrex @a57se It's not as big a difference as you'd think on the field, most of it has to do with their offenses, but mariota has blue chip talent.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit @BDarc23 @SackDance99 

Oh no! No Jace Amaro? What ever would we do without our designated dumpoff "catcher?"

Honestly, the way Robinson's looked, taking him at 18 would've been more than OK. 

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@Bklyn Dude @a57se Wait, there's a difference.  I'd say this Mets update has just as much relevance than 98% of his postings.  

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit @roadyhorns @fatrex 

I don't like Hogan at all, no. He's a senior anyway.


I guess it's possible Hundley and Cook could go back to school. I mean Mariota and Winston both technically could too. Winston's even previously said that he would.

But I'm definitely getting tired of having no QB year after year. There's only so long I want to keep putting this off. This is shaping up to be a perfect situation. We'll have a high pick in a year that figures to have highly rated QBs. It would be dumb to push this off for another year.

juunit
juunit

@fatrex @juunit @a57se 

I don't really agree. I think there's a very large difference.

No doubt Mariota is a highly talented athlete and will go high because of it. But as far as quarterbacking ability I just don't think there's even a discussion to be had. 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit @fatrex 

I wouldn't say that's impossible given all the stuff that's gone on this season. But it would be a little surprising given the only real crime he committed of which there's any proof was shoplifting. And they obviously haven't met with him yet with the process not even starting. Hard to judge a guy like that you've never even been in a room with.

I also doubt it will matter much to his draft stock if a couple teams feel that way. All it takes is the one team willing to ignore the noise.

Bklyn Dude
Bklyn Dude

@Wilkershakes @Bklyn Dude @a57se 

He's like Mike Lupica who said earlier today the Jets should have a parade down the Canyon of Heroes for winning their second game.

Lupica's mad and in a foul mood because the Giants were awful again this week.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit @BDarc23 @SackDance99 

Landry is playing well for the Phins apparently too. And obviously Brown in Arizona. Seferian-Jenkins has 2 TDs in the last 3 games. 


The list goes on.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit @roadyhorns @fatrex 

Hogan is a senior but I think he's technically only played 3 seasons, so hypothetically he could take one class and stick around another year. 

Cook isn't consistent enough and could probably benefit from another year. But MSU is an older team right now. So going back might actually be a mistake unless their younger guys who would be taking over are even more talented than their current starters. 

I'm not sure what Hundley would really gain from going back. Unless they had some amazing incoming freshman class it would just be another year of questionable guys around him on offense.


Haven't seen any of Bridge. But I'm not interested in longshot developmental guys. On top of an elite prospect? Sure, what the hell. In place of a first round QB? Nope.

juunit
juunit

@fatrex @juunit @a57se 

They lost 7 starters to the NFL from last year's team. 

I won't completely disagree though. Winston hasn't looked as sharp. Still, he's yet to lose anyway. 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit @fatrex 

I try and wait for the stuff that comes out around the combine. All the other stuff is just noise. I mean, I must've seen 5 or 6 reports on CJ Mosley last year that flipped between he's overrated and he's underrated according to actual scouts. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit @a57se @roadyhorns @fatrex


Bridge is injured at the moment but without him they lost 45-10 to Arkansas State.  That probably gives some indication of how important he is to that team and how little he has to work with.


As for Cook, I think he already said he's staying in school.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99 @fatrex Ever since Ive been posting on this blog Ive said that if the Jets really want a franchise QB, they have to bite the bullet and pay the price.  That means either tanking or doing a Skins type deal.  

juunit
juunit

@Bent @juunit @a57se @roadyhorns @fatrex 

These guys seem to say that at the beginning of seasons then change their mind once they see the dollar signs pretty often. 

Winston said he's staying too. 


Though I would say, if you care about looking at developmental QBs, then look at Paxton Lynch out of Memphis. I think he's only in his 2nd year now, but he's definitely got the raw talent and the size.

juunit
juunit

@a57se 

If we draft a highly touted rookie I think we really should make an effort to get a veteran who knows how to play the game to have around. 

So probably rookie, vet, Smith. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @a57se @fatrex


Or somehow lucking into a dumb former coach trading you the 5th pick for a bunch of spare parts...


...but then not blowing that pick on Mark Freakin' Sanchez.

fatrex
fatrex

@juunit @a57se If we can't get our A number 1 choice at QB (can't trade up or anything) I say stay back and take Amari Cooper who looks like  a julio jones double.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @SackDance99 @a57se @fatrex Exactly what not to do.  In a draft where it was questionable whether any QB was a true franchise QB, the Jets take the 2nd best guy.  Get the best guy in a weak draft or move up in a deep one.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

Yeah, I wouldn't want the vet to start. Just to be a kind of mentor. Like Hasselbeck is to Luck. 

fatrex
fatrex

@a57se @juunit That approach has worked out pretty terribly for us the last two go arounds. If we take a qb, sign a pocket passer for him to learn from, like Bradford, and when he gets hurt by week 7 let the kid take over, that's the optimal way to do it.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @SackDance99 @fatrex


Yeah none of that lot were worth trading into the top five for.


I never liked Sanchez as a first rounder let alone a top five pick.


That was such a bargain to actually get the 5th pick though.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99 @Bent @fatrex I've been hugely disappointed by Geno.  He ral does have all the tools; there is some special sauce when it comes to QBs.  It's what separates the Bollers, Genos and Mike Phipps' from the Mannings, Lucks or Fouts'.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit @Bent @SackDance99 @fatrex 

Really? He's average with Megatron and barely starter caliber without him. Also has a tendency to throw the back breaking pick.

I was just watching the end of the Lions game yesterday. That TD drive he lead to win the game? He was lucky to get the chance at all. He'd had the ball a few minutes before and his passes were literally 5 yards off the mark. His defense kept him in it. 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit @Bent @SackDance99 @fatrex 

Again I agree. But that still doesn't mean he's the kind of guy you want to attach your franchise to for a decade. 

He's very much like Carson Palmer. Good enough to always be a starter. Doubtful he'll ever be good enough to win a Superbowl. 

I mean, he's got the top defense right now. This would honestly be his year with no clear cut favorite to win it all. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@juunit @BDarc23 @a57se @Bent @SackDance99 @fatrex I'm not a huge fan of his, but he hasn't exactly been in a great situation and this will be his fourth straight season passing for over 4,500 yards.  The Jets only have 1 guy who has passed for over 4,000 and he was the first to do it.. It's been a long, long time.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99 @juunit @BDarc23 @a57se @Bent @fatrex 

And as I've said multiple times in this thread already. Yes, he would be better than what we have. But no, that doesn't make him a top level QB. 

Stafford racks up lots of yards. He also attempts a s*** ton of passes. 

juunit
juunit

@fatrex @juunit @BDarc23 @a57se @Bent @SackDance99 

1. That isn't true. He's had at least 80 yards in 4 games. He's played in a total of 6 out of their 9 games. And whenever he's on the field, teams have to roll coverages to him, opening up other plays.


2. Stafford hasn't been that good this year. The Lions usually stellar offense is below average in both yards and points this year.

fatrex
fatrex

@juunit @fatrex @BDarc23 @a57se @Bent @SackDance99 If you only have 1 catch and you're playing the Jets, you're a non factor. His ankle has been F'ed all year, you were using the term "possibly greatest WR ever" that's the bar you set, he hasn't been that at all this year, except for the games I mentioned.


2. Again, they've been missing their greatest asset and bush has taken a step backwards, I'd take Stafford's numbers right now over anyone we've had in decades

juunit
juunit

@fatrex 

Calvin Johnson has 4 games with at least 6 catches and 80 yards. 

Even when he's not on his game, if he's on the field, teams have to roll coverages over to him, just like we did.

Should I repeat myself a third time?

fatrex
fatrex

@juunit @fatrex And they've played 9 games. He hasn't been nearly the factor he's capable of being this season. He's the best WR I've ever seen, when his production is that low it's always going to be underwhelming, and it's always going to affect the stats of your qb.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@juunit @fatrex 6 catches and 80yds doesn't sound like best WR ever material.  I think the better argument is that Stafford isn't all that good this year.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@juunit @BDarc23 @fatrex  But he has't done that every game. I also didn't say the guy was bad but that he isn't putting up best wr ever numbers this year. Not even close.

fatrex
fatrex

@juunit @BDarc23 @fatrex Lol, except he hasn't done that, they've played 9 games, he's been healthy for 2 and hobbled for 4. That's not getting it done. 

juunit
juunit

@BDarc23 @juunit @fatrex 

I don't understand how many times I need to say the words "Calvin Johnson causes teams to roll coverages over to him even if he's not 100% which then opens up other plays for other players on the playing field which wouldn't otherwise be there if someone as talented as Calvin Johnson wasn't on the field" before it hammers home. 

fatrex
fatrex

@BDarc23 @juunit @fatrex That's because he's been hurt, which juunit isn't acknowledging. Megatron is the most talented receiver the NFL has ever seen, he's been playing (and sitting) on one ankle the whole year

fatrex
fatrex

@a57se @fatrex @BDarc23 @juunit @Bent @SackDance99 FLacco has every inch the arm talent, Wilson doesn't it but he affects the game in several different ways beyond just passing.

fatrex
fatrex

@juunit @BDarc23 @fatrex But he hasn't been on the field for a lot of those games! He played less than half the snaps against us and he sat out the last two. You're acting like he was out there as a body, he really wasn't

juunit
juunit

@BDarc23 @juunit @fatrex 

I'd imagine it's more similar to "Jadeveon Clowney didn't get sacks because teams schemed around him."

Though I'd say comparing those situations is an insult to Calvin Johnson. Johnson produces in spite of all that. But I guess realistically we'll have to wait and see how Clowney handles the NFL first.