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Pirates, Orioles keeping an eye on Ike Davis

The Pirates are still keeping an eye on Ike Davis (Crasnick, Feb. 18), as they continue to look at ways to upgrade at first base.

The Pirates and Brewers had been most often linked to Davis earlier in the offseason, but have openly said Sandy Alderson’s asking price was too high.


Feb. 19: The Orioles are also interested in Ike Davis, as they are looking for a player to serve as their primary designated hitter (Sherman).

Davis said last week that he is shocked he didn’t end up being traded this winter, given the amount of rumors involving his name, he told reporters in St. Lucie on Friday.

“It seemed like we were pretty adamant about going somewhere, but obviously they had to make the right deal for them, and no one offered them what they thought enough, so I’m back,” he said. “I wanted to be back, so I’m happy about it.”

Pittsburgh’s GM Neal Huntington has said that the organization is confident with their internal options, but he is also keeping options open on Davis, Mariners 1B Justin Smoak, Rangers 1B Mitch Moreland or free agent Kendrys Morales.




81 comments
eric88
eric88

Please take him, I'll drive him there.

eric88
eric88

Davis is shocked no one traded for him. Apparently he is the only one who doesn't know how much he sucks. I mean .202 BA, really, whew!  I guess with all that his salary more than tripled, so I can understand why he's so confused.

chasesimms
chasesimms

Why just Davis?  Are they not interested in Duda as well?

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

They'll keep watching him until he goes back to batting .210 with 2HR six weeks into the season.

Curtis Batdorf
Curtis Batdorf

Ike was shocked he wasn't traded?


He should be ashamed that he was so horrible that nobody wanted him.


MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

The Orioles were considering Ike as a DH? I guess their front office is as quirky as ours.

Sam Mack
Sam Mack

I hope Ike rips this spring this will be pretty interesting...

Metsnow
Metsnow

I'm really rooting for Ike to turn his career around.....obviously he has proven before he is capable of some big numbers......unfortunately their is no legit alternative at 1B. If....Ike does hit and we sign Drew our IF looks pretty awesome. We still need Travis to hit and the OF to be a strength which has the potential. I love our SP....and the young guns will be up before we know it.  Just maybe we can be more than a low level team. Tejada must not start!!

Amazin' Raisin'
Amazin' Raisin'

How much longer are we going to spend talking about this pantywaist? You'd think it would be the trade of the century if Davis got moved. .205/.326/.334 last year, ok? No matter where he goes, the impact made will be infinitesimal.

mets2891
mets2891

Please don't trade this guy.  His value is already as low as possible, play him this year (let's be honest, thanks to the Wilpons they're not going anywhere) and hopefully he wakes up.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Sure.......The Orioles and Pirates have set up roadblocks on the Pennsylvania Turnpike and I95 to make sure Ike doesn't get within 50 miles of their ballparks.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

I'd rather they keep Ike than Duda. I know Ike's had a lot of problems, but I have no faith in Duda over a full season to be anything. He could hit 20 homers, but he'll do it while driving in 40 RBIs.

Outside of them bringing in another free agent, my ideal infield using only current pieces in the organization would go Ike at first, Murph at second, Flores at short, David at third, and Travis catching. Of course, that's dependent upon Flores really being able to play shortstop, which is a big "if", but I'd rather they take their chances with him there than go through another year of Tejada. Hell, for that matter I'd rather they played EYJ at short for a full season than another year of Tejada.

Daniel Wexler
Daniel Wexler

Given the fact the Mets reportedly are looking for a young SP in a deal for Ike Davis (prior interest in Thornburg/Rodriguez). I'd keep an eye on Mike Wright. Would be a nice return. I'd shop Duda around however.

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

If ike gets traded I sign Kendras Morales on the spot, no way Duda plays 1b, Morales is a switch hitter can hit 4th or 5th, nice 1 to 2 year solution till the prospect Smith is ready.

drmetfan
drmetfan

I would be shocked if Davis is with the Mets come opening day. 

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

i do not want Ike traded but if we get value great  so if we do that sign Morrales for first base then then bat him 4th and then Grandy 5th lengthen out the lineup . But no Lucas please i am not against trading Ike but not for the non benefit of Lucas. I am not saying Lucas should not make the team as a spare guy and PH but not full time anything.

xplr
xplr

It's pretty obvious there is no room for Duda and Ike on the same team. I would keep Ike over Duda (mainly because they are similar hitters while Ike is a far superior fielder) but the Mets only care about payroll so they are shopping Ike. Pretty sad, really.

georgie
georgie

Trade Ike.....oh I forgot nobody wants him!

mingo
mingo

Trade Duda to the Orioles and be done with it.

If Ike fails, move Murphy to first and EY to second.

Rob Savage
Rob Savage

I have to agree with the comments of Ike's potential, based on previous experience and the analyzation that few players under 30 have hit 30. I also feel to trade him during the spring when he is either doing terrible, Ok, or fantastic won't get much no matter how he is playing. At this point, the horse is out of the barn, so let's run with it and see where it takes us. If he fails, we know our options are limited, but they are Duda, Satin, Flores and if absolutely desperate Murphy. He's been a good soldier and tried hard at second. He'd do anything for this team. Let's just wait and see.

Anthony Giammattei
Anthony Giammattei

I say give Ike another shot.  They really don't have anything better, including Duda, who teams don't ask about.  If he bombs this year, there won't be a choice.  He'll have to be let go.  But his upside is so great, you just have to give him another chance.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

From what I understand the Pirates are going to try that kid Lambo at first in the spring. A converted OF who can bomb. If he has a good spring and can handle 1b, they will stick with him and not make a move. 

If not, they may look at Ike but we aren't getting anything significant for him, probably some mid-level older "prospect". Yes, there's a possible reward but just as much risk for them

Jim Yager
Jim Yager

I lik eIKe as much as the next guy, but, his time as a Met is over. He is taking the place of Jason Bay as the face of lousey team. There is no way at all that the team can re-build into a team that can compete, and, keep a guy on the field with a BA under .200

dooley
dooley

I would think that Neal Huntington considers Ike Davis to be the least appealing option on that list

zoddie
zoddie

They struck gold with Chris Davis, who had similar struggles as Ike, so maybe they can think they can do it again.

vimets
vimets

The Mets don't have to trade Davis to save money, if he's cut during spring training they can save close to 3 mil.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Victor Triguero If Davis wins the job, then I'd still platoon him with Satin to start the year. To me, he still has to earn the right to be the everyday first baseman with a good season.

And *hopefully* Flores can actually play short, which would be a god-send if true. Then no more Tejada...

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

@Victor Triguero  I agree.  If they traded Davis, I would love to see them sign Morales or Drew, but we know that is wishful thinking.  A line-up that included Morales or Drew, or both, would instantly make this team better. At least we could score some runs. (maybe). 

zoddie
zoddie

And why would Duda only get 40 rbi if he hits 20 home runs?

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@anthony G. Decesare  he's a train wreck in the field, and I'd hate to see David's throwing again with a guy who is terrible in the field at 1st base, but i agree...if it's a 1 or 2 year deal, AND ike is traded soon, sign him, cut friggin Duda, let Wilmer or Satin be the back up (wish we had a defensive wiz to replace Ike if he doesnt make it)...and sign stephen drew to the same type of deal. 

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

@anthony G. Decesare  That's the smart play.  But the Wilpons own the team.  Morales to a 2-3 year deal until Smith was ready would be a nice acquisition.  I doubt the Mets will spend the money needed to sign Morales for 2-3 years, unfortunately.  

Matt Milunic
Matt Milunic

@drmetfan Not me. I think in the end it's Duda that gets moved. Both can't be there opening day and I think Ike's issues were related to that Valley Fever. I lived in southern Arizona for a while. VF takes a long time to shake. The longest lasting symptom is fatigue/lethargy. I think the chances are good he's recovered now and hits stride again.

vimets
vimets

Morales won't be playing 1st base for the Mets.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@ifti99 They are nowhere near similar hitter other than they are big, slow and can't hit lefties. One walks and gets on base a TON, while having average power... The other Hits for Lots of power and that's about it. 


Also Duda's defense at 1st hasn't every been poor. If you look at the stats, and compare them... Ike also hasn't been very highly regarded the past 2 years defensively either.

vimets
vimets

The Orioles are interested in Duda?

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@mingo Yes, No and No. 


If Ike Fails, Rather go Wilmer... or if you move Murphy to 1st (for whatever crazy reason) then i want Wilmer at 2nd.

mike23
mike23

@Jim Yager  how about giving him at least the spring to see what happens, if he somehow gets back to his earlier years with the mets they may feel pretty good about still having him on the roster, if he is horrible again and looks lost they can either release him or trade him for whatever but I think they should at least try one more time seeing that they really have no better alternatives right now. 

zoddie
zoddie

Ile has never shown he can hit lefties. He must be platooned.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@zoddie  cuz he cant hit water if he fell out of a boat when guys are on base...and it gets worse when they're in scoring position

jamets
jamets

@Joseph DeFazio @anthony G. DecesareI'm thinking 2/24 for Morales.  If you trade Ike AND Duda, it wouldn't be much of an increase in payroll.  And Morales would be a great fit behind Granderson in the lineup.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@Matt Milunic @drmetfan  VERY good point Man!!!....And ankle injuries can REALLY linger, no matter how much a guy may say "it feel fine," just ask Matt Kemp....

I used to play basketball, and i've sprained my right ankle OVER 25 times...each time, i felt pain, albeit tolerable pain, for at least 6 months after---and none of my sprains were as bad as Ike's injury, nor did i have the resources to heal like Ike has, and i wasnt a PROFESSIONAL baseball player, and it STILL gave ike quite a bit of pain.  If he cant plant properly, he's going to flail out and swing at garbage (he showed more restraint thank god when he got called up last year). He's a pro player who depends on his health to earn a living, and Im just a schlub who said "man, when will my ankle not feel ANY pain after this???"

zoddie
zoddie

They are indeed similar hitters. They both walk. They both don't have high batting averages. They both have good power (Ike has more). They both play an average first base (check the stats), though Ike used to be above average. They both hit righties. They are both slow. They both cant hit lefties.

Duda is a bit more consistent, Ike has more upside if he can put it all together.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@zoddie  yeah it'll be rough especially if the do well in the preseason together...but i guess thats a good problem to have....and just for the record, i Never said anything about clutch. Im talking about runners in scoring position. You can hit with guys on 2nd and 3rd in the first inning with no outs. Is that a "clutch" situation? "Clutch" is an abstract term anyway, but we obviously know what CLUTCH is all about, over teh years wathing other sports and players, etc.

zoddie
zoddie

I could have saved you the trouble and reminded you that there is almost never a "clutch" hitter. Over a big enough sample, guys tend to hit what they hit. Duda is not unclutch.

The problem w spring training is Ike raked last year. Then he sucked when the season started. It is going to be really difficult to evaluate both of these guys at the same time. Duda has been more consistent but, like you said, Ike has more upside.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@Mark Kelly @Mr. SERCH @zoddie  Yeah sorta..i mean, Duda is OK, i just think Ike is the better guy to believe in....

in 2012 Duda was better with guys on base, yes, but overall, over the course of his 3 years or so with us, he's been pretty terrible with runners on. In 2011 he was hitting .238 with runners in scoring position, and .285 with runners ON..... in 2012 he hit .254 with runners ON, .274 in scoring position, and .000 with the bases loaded 5 times. ....last year, .178 with runners on, .145 in scoring position.


None of those numbers are impressive. And besides last year, yes, he was SLIGHTLY better in those situations.


Ike had SMALLER sample sizes last year and still hit better than him in both those scenarios, last year.


In 2012, ike's BA may have been low in those scenarios, but he still had more RBIs, in a little bit of a bigger sample size, meaning, as you know, he obv got the runner in on a sacrifice.

And ike overall had 90 rbis that year. 


Ike's upside is definitely better than Duda's. While Duda projects to have 20 hrs and 80 rbi's or so, with a good OBP, i'd still rather take the chance on the player whose already hit 32 hrs and 90 rbis, in one season, who plays better defense, and who hit .286 with a stunning .449 OBP after the all star break last year. Overall in 2013, ike was a wreck. But with 3 new bats in the lineup (Grandy, Young, and  full season of Darnaud, and possibly 4 if we get Drew!), Ike is the choice as of NOW for the start at 1st....


but this is why they have open competition at spring training! Both guys gotta get out there and EARN it this year!!!

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Mr. SERCH @zoddieOnly in silly small sample sizes like last year. Not in 2012.. And he was still a better overall hitter in those situations than ike was on the year.