Ouch: Fate of Mets Opening Day Lineup




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"My" GIANTS would be a lot betta with an Elite passrusher, if they can also keep JPP of course...however, if they can translate that offensive line to something like, or even betta than what the Cowboys had this past season...Plus, just as important, "NO INJURIES" to key players...We just might be looken at another4 "Lombardi Trophy" ...Howbout dat????

nymess06
nymess06

For suh money we could resign jpp and fairly

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

get the offensive tackle from Iowa in the draft, move Pugh to G, then go sign suh for the defense.

Davey Dohrman
Davey Dohrman

I've been waiting for them to draft a linebacker or a tight end for years.... This year I'm not asking for those.... Maybe reverse psychology will work

greekgod
greekgod

John Mara is becoming like Woody Johnson; the giants will suffer due to keeping Reese and TC who have gone by the wayside on football matters.....its a different now with players running the zoo and management don't have the trainers for this type of culture.

cole3244
cole3244

move pugh inside where he belongs.

Brandy Scudiero-Henry
Brandy Scudiero-Henry

OT Brandon Scherff. Give Eli an offensive line to work with and let him go to work.


Also, maybe we could drop down a bit and pick up another 2nd rounder or 2...


we have ODB and Cruz, now lets get a huge target in Funchess or Green-Beckham....


Back in the 1st round I think we have to go with offensive line...I know Beasons health is a concern but Kenard looked good...


DAL is doing what they are doing because they have an Elite O-LINE

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

St. John the Apologist. He always knows how to spin a horrible season into fluffy fantasy land.

I think I'm catching on to the mara's philosophy. The broken clock philosophy. I think they figure since Tom and Reese won two super bowls and struck out all the rest they must be due next. However, as big a Giants fan as i am we have to be realistic on what those super bowls were. And if we choose to be unrealistic In our approach to patting people on the back about how great they were we need to at least be consistent with it.

First, both super bowls came on magical probably couldn't do it twice plays. So the difference between Tom and Reese being awesome are those two plays none of which either of them had anything to do with. If anyone should get a life time free pass it's eli.

Second, if winning the super bowl means you all of sudden have no accountability why are some held accountable when they fail but others are immune. For instance why should Fewell be fired? Didn't he win a super bowl? Why shouldn't JPP get all the money he wants? Why was kevin gilbride fired doesn't he have 2 super bowls? Why was Bradshaw let go? And osi and tuck? Didn't they win super bowls? Why were they punished? Why were they expendable? I didn't hear John talking about legacy and not making changes with them. It's so weird how fans fall in love with gm's and coaches buy easily dismiss players. I don't know about you but I watch football for the players not seeing Tom red faced on the sideline.

Here is the answer They were not producing regardless of the super bowls they won the team cut them loose. So why do Reese and Tom get a pass? these guys had no more input on the Giants winning a super bowl then any of the guys who were cut loose. So watch out beckham you may support Tom today but as soon as your production falls (see nicks) you will be scapegoated right out of town a long with the other has been (see tuck) group taking the hit for Tom and Reese.

The OBJ of the defense this year might be Ray from Missouri. So the possibility is there.

Nick Correa
Nick Correa

So chime in please Mr Fennelly.... The way I see it to start off, can't let JPP go cause we have no DE depth, so if necessary, he's franchised. Then, with #9 we go with a play maker on D, maybe Ray from Missouri or Beasley from Clemson, sure up that pass rush. Then maybe a guard/center to swap with Richburg or just play center. TE as well, but I think Donnell gives us a little assurance. Fells should be kept, idk about Robinson. Seems like his time is up. Maybe a LB or Safety, but I thibk Rolle should be re-upped as well. If we can just stay healthy, our defense would have probably been very good. Healthy DBs, bring Thurmond back, D should look sharp. Can't forget just how many injuries we had this season. A shame really...

Jaymes Provine
Jaymes Provine

If they r Gona draft an OT it's gotta be Staley(if he enters reports say yes) Or Peat I wouldn't mind seeing them land this Shane Ray kid out of Mizzu either he's a DE/OLB type that has been skyrocketing up draft bds... Obv it's way to early to worry about any of this stuff but I'll be keepin a close eye on the situation

Jaymes Provine
Jaymes Provine

How is he like Woody?! He's the exact opposite of Woody ... Where woody and the Jets are constantly changing coaches and GMs and all that the GMEN have continuity which is the way to be successful in the NFL... It's a copy cat league and the best franchises i.e Steelers Pats Giants etc do it right. TC is not only one of the best coaches in NFL history and a future HOF'er but he deliv u TWO Super Bowls myb u forgot I get it that doesn't mean he gets to stay forever and he won't this upcoming season is Prob his last no matter what but well find out more about that next season and myb it would be dif if there was a competent coach to replace him with ... Whose your choice?! Brian Kelly please try again Todd Bowles, Adam Gase?! I'll stick w TC for least another season guys a LEGEND as far as Gints fans r concerned

Jaymes Provine
Jaymes Provine

Anddd an elite RB... If u stick at 9 ur prob looking at an OT like Staley ND.. Peat Stanford...Scherfff Iowa or DE/OLB Ray out of Mizzu woukd be great value if he makes it to 9 HOWEVER and keep in mind it's so early and ALOT will change but lets say all ther top targets are off the bd at 9 do u trade back and myb select that BIG WR like the kid out of WVU White Idk cuz it's not one of our needs and u can prob land a Big WR in 2nd or 3rd but point is I love that idea of having a big Mike Evans 6'5 WR to pair w Cruz nd OBJ that would put absolute fear in minds of any secondary even Sea... Obj is UNstoppable But one thing we don't have is Size in that WR Corps but this team really needs top notch OT along w Defense Defense Defense that's get despite the OT group being down in terms of past few yrs if u can land one of the top 2-3 OT I guess u go there and hope a big DE like Oakman out of Baylor falls to u at 2 but again it's quite early lol

Nick Correa
Nick Correa

A tackle is a pipe dream. No room. They are not moving Beatty or Pugh...

mlem
mlem

@jaymanjay They made the right moves letting Nicks, Osi and Tuck go.  They all wanted too much money and proved they weren't worth it.  Nicks can barely run and couldn't even get catches in one of the most pass friendly offenses in the league.  Osi is/was way past his prime (2.5 sacks this year) and Tuck decided to take more money to play for an even worse team (only 5 sacks).  You could make a case that the giants should have kept Bradshaw but not the others.  Also, You can't keep everybody and the salary cap was a huge part of why all of these guys are gone.  Sometimes letting fan favorites go is actually the smart thing to do.


Do you think any of these 4 players would have made us any better this year?  I don't. 

roe71
roe71

Hakeem Nicks has no heart....and In his last year Tuck decided to become a pro bowler in games that didn't matter...where was he in the middle of the season when we needed a sack or pass rush? And I like Tuck but you get paid to do your job the whole season not the last 5 games! And JPP the same thing this year! Guy went berserk in the end against the worst teams in the league and nowhere to be found during that tough stretch? Victor Cruz was too big a loss to overcome and Rashad being out so long killed any chance of getting anything going.

Matthew Cohen
Matthew Cohen

@Nick Correa The Giants will go after a pass rusher in free agency (I hope).  Suh, Fairley and Hughes look like the best after a quick look.  They also need 2 safeties and a slot corner on defense plus a WILL.  If they get 2 solid tackles (Hankins is a stud) they should be ok with a fillin end to complement Moore and Ayers.  Also Kennard could move down as they already have the SAM and MLB spots filled.  The defense is fixable. 

The Giants normally don't spend a ton of money on big free agents but Suh has said that he wants to play in NYC and the Jets are not an option (2 great 3-4 ends already and they are a mess).  If the Giants can sign him for $11 million per, that's not a bad deal.  

greekgod
greekgod

@Nick Correa Injuries  is part of the  game....Seahawks have 19 players on the IR and they're going to the playoffs.

Jaymes Provine
Jaymes Provine

Ummm gotta call mularky on that comment sry guys if they can land a top OT that they have high grades on they would not hesitate ... They would shift Beatty to the Right side n move Pugh to the inside ?! It's pretty simple an OL must be versatile and just cuz they move Pugh inside for a season does not mean he can't go back to T the following season that's the beauty of Pugh n is what he brings to the table he can play anywhere on the line but I don't see him as this teams future LT ... Obv neither is Beatty but he could be in this upcoming draft

greekgod
greekgod

@Nick Correa You  are correct.....Beatty has too big of a contract so the OL is going nowhere and next year will be the same as this year.......8-8 at  best.

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

My point exactly. Just because the Giants won a bunch of meaningless games down the stretch does not mean Reese and Tom should keep their jobs.

Nick Correa
Nick Correa

Don't want Suh on this team by any means. The guy is trash. Rather spend the money on JPP. You really think we would be good at DE going all season with Moore and Ayers? That's a joke lol

Nick Correa
Nick Correa

Yeah but was that to starters? No. We lost more role players and key players than any other team. Not an excuse, because that's why you still play the games. But, our team is a lot better off when the season starts when everyone returns and is healthy

Nick Correa
Nick Correa

No, they could still move Richburg to center and draft a guard, or just draft another center. There are options. Just dont think it's tackle. Hate to blame things on injury, but if our defense was 100% healthy this entire season I think were looking at a completely different outcome. You have to remember, we went on this winning streak at the end of the season without three quarters of our defensive backs, our middle linebacker, etc. A couple key pick ups and health and we should be a contender next season

If that ain't the truth then I don't no what is....