Daniel Murphy 16 (Baron)

O’s asked for Daniel Murphy, Mets asked for Dylan Bundy

The Mets are very willing to trade 2B Daniel Murphy, someone told a rival GM in Orlando (Martino, Dec. 8).



10:20 am: The Orioles asked about Murphy; the Mets asked for top pitching prospect Dylan Bundy, among other players; and Baltimore turned them down (Duquette on MLB Network Radio).


There was a report Tuesday that the Orioles had interest in Murphy (Sherman, Dec. 9). However,  Baltimore’s interest may have been a bit overstated (DuquetteMartino, Dec. 9).

Nevertheless, while there’s skepticism the Mets will find a taker (Martino, Dec. 9), the team is still pushing very hard to deal Murphy (Passan, Dec. 9), who is drawing interest as a second baseman, third baseman and as a super-utility guy (Rosenthal, Nov. 14).

According to people familiar with the market, Murphy may only be worth a mid-rotation starting pitcher (Cerrone, Dec. 9), even though the Dodgers, Yankees, Tigers, Royals and Orioles are all reportedly looking to acquire a second baseman this winter (Heyman, Nov. 6).

190 comments
Brian Sementa
Brian Sementa

i think the mets shoould throw in Davis ive seen this kid pitch he throws absoulte gas then you can sign Morles with the difference that we lose in payroll maybe somthing like 2 years 27 million

Peter Buell
Peter Buell

3tis team has more pictures in it knows what to do with. There are good prospects in the minors who are 25 and 26 years old. There is no room for them. Not to mention Murphy led the Mets in batting,doubles,RBI and runs scored. not to mention 3rd in home runs and 2nd in stolen bases with 23. Tell me now, where are they going to get that from, Chris Young? WTF is the rush to get rid of your second best hitter

dabo
dabo

Go big or go home I guess.  I do believe even Murphy fans would have understood that trade.

gothamsane
gothamsane

Dylan Bundy! Fourth pick in 1st Round 2011?

21, in AAA by August, outstanding WHIP etc..?

Sandy you got balls!

Love it!

Murphy, Montero and ... ?

Dan Duquette, what else?

Davis?

baseballnblues
baseballnblues

Trading Murphy really makes no sense right now because there are other glaring needs for this team. Also, the guy hits and is a gritty gamer type of player. He reminds me of Wally Backman way back in 1984-85. And we all know how that turned out. He's like Backman...tough, smart, nice short swing, makes a lot of contact, and he's an okay fielder...not great by any means but he makes his share of plays. Unless they replace him with a real deal contact hitter or above average starter, there is no reason to trade him. Yesterday on Hot Stove they were talking about Murphy being too aggressive at the plate; not buying into the "take a strike" approach that Alderson wants. This is the reason they want to trade him. This stupid approach (I like aggressive baseball) is also the reason IMO that Davis can't hit the side of a barn anymore. Of course, Sandy did have the right idea asking for a guy like Bundy.

Mark Gunn
Mark Gunn

Love Murphy. Don't trade unless we get the better of the deal.

Joseph John Riello
Joseph John Riello

I love that Sandy asked for Dylan Bundy.  Would of been a steal for us. but at least we know he's not just going to get rid of Murphy

Mike
Mike

Knowing the Mets they asked for Al Bundy and not Dylan. But, I can't blame them, Al has had two big hits since 1986 (Married With Children, Modern Family).

jcain316
jcain316

I would assume the deal for Bundy was Murphy and Ike and a pitching prospect.  I am all for trading Murphy but only if it accomplishes a glaring need like 1B or SS.  We don't need a 5th outfielder or mid level pitcher that wont even be on our team in 2016.  We need some god damn offense and this site needs to go back to disqus

crash
crash

I cannot understand why everyone is so set on trading Murphy. Sure, he's a lousy second-baseman but how will we replace that offense? Flores remains untested and EYJr. is a .250 guy at best. I'll gladly sacrifice some defense for a bat. Would also like to see Sandy a little more active in dealing from strength--our pitching prospects. I realize it's a gamble but I'd just like to watch a competitive team out there.It's been five years since we've played meaningful games in August and September.

metfan8669
metfan8669

I understand that Murphy may be at his all-time high value as a trade piece, but who else do the Mets have that we can rely on for a clutch hit?  David Wright is the ONLY ONE on the team not named Murphy, that is likely to hit over .250. Maybe you can include Josh Satin in that conversation. (But he may be the slowest guy on the team and strikes out more than people are talking about. -- I personally hope Satin is traded to the Rays.)  Murphy scored 92 runs in a poor lineup, why is everyone so eager to trade him?  People cite his "low" OBP, but other than the top 4 second basemen in OBP there are no better value guys. (The 4 are Cano, Carpenter, Kipnis, Pedroia)  Would you rather Scutaro or Utley who have higher .OBP?  I wouldn't.  What if Murphy was in a good lineup with more protection?  Remember even D.Wright missed 50 games this past year.  Who protected Murphy?  Byrd for a while I guess.  But that's it.

Steven Ruley
Steven Ruley

I was thinking if sandy put murphy puello tejada and degrom in if the mets could get hardy and a mid tier prospect im just putting it out there

Manny Montes
Manny Montes

Stop with this Murphy to first base talk! He sucked at first base, do we not remember that???? If you can get a good package with Murphy in it, do it! If we can get that Joc pederson from the dodgers, then do it Sandy!

dolemite
dolemite

I am sure Sandy wasn't suggesting Murphy for Bundy straight - although Bundy is recovering from TJ surgery and although recoevry rates have been nice lately it isn't a given that he will ever be the same.

Manny Montes
Manny Montes

Bundy is is a better prospect then wheeler.

paulio
paulio

omg I'd poop my pants if that trade happened!

sell
sell

Bundy for Murphy? I like the nerve of Sandy, but of course that deal is a joke.

Andrew Herbst
Andrew Herbst

I found this very amusing that we wanted to get Bundy for Murph. It always seems that we have to give up our top pitching prospects.

Goorru®Mets
Goorru®Mets

DIRECT QUOTE FROM MATTHEW CERRONE WHEN ASKED ABOUT REPLYING TO OTHER COMMENTS AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS. 



"THIS IS A COMMENT SECTION (WHERE YOU COMMENT ON THE POST) NOT A MESSAGE BOARD."

MMIAA
MMIAA

@baseballnblues Daniel Murphy is one of the dumbest ballplayers I have ever seen. Possibly the dumbest.

dabo
dabo

@Mark Gunn We would have gotten the better of the deal... the much better of the deal.

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@trevordunn ship in Young and Granderson, ship out Murphy.  We're basically the same team as last year.

WillisReid
WillisReid

@crash It has more to do with needing a leadoff presence in the line up.  If they can't move Murphy he will probably end up their leadoff hitter in some capacity, despite struggling with the opportunity last summer for a stretch.

WillisReid
WillisReid

@crash It has more to do with needed a leadoff hitter than not appreciating Murphy's value.  If they don't move Murphy, he may end up the teams leadoff hitter by default, a role he struggled with when given the opportunity last summer.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@crash I just posted something similar 15 minutes before you.   I however, would not trade from our pitching strength.  The more pitching the merrier. -- Guys go down with injuries all the time.  You need to keep as much depth in pitching as possible.  Especially cheap guys under contract.  (Like the Blue Jays trading Syndergaard.  Where did that get them?)  I would not trade for short term improvement.   We need to be in it to win.  And 2014 we may compete, but I am not going to mortgage the future to do so. 

Vin Santiago
Vin Santiago

@harvey33 Murphy is a top 10 second basemen in this league.  Either he gets something good for Murph or we keep him I don't think I would complain either way.  

Gland1
Gland1

@Andrew Herbst We do?  In the last few years didn't we just pick up two of our top pitching prospects via trade?

r04supratt
r04supratt

The minute MMO switches to disqus I'm out.

sell
sell

@Goorru®Mets Matt Cerrone should busy himself by taking a composition course and learning how to write.

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

This isn't a comment section as much as it's a community of Mets fans.  Lose the community and this site may be a ghost town.

Mlb GM
Mlb GM

we aren't aloud to comment on others comments?

metfan8669
metfan8669

@baseballnblues - What is that comment based on?  You clearly don't know how to weigh in on a ballplayer.  First off, he isn't that bad.  Secondly, you can't buy heart, and Murphy has plenty of that.

Please explain your position, which ranks high on the "dumbest fan" comments list.

nolrog
nolrog

@MMIAA Nah, not the dumbest.  We lived thru Jay Payton.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@p8erbaghad - You could argue we would be worse.  More strikeouts, higher salary obligations both for this year and in the future.  But you would have better defense in the OF, I'll give you that.

nolrog
nolrog

@WillisReid Murphy will not hit lead off.  His OBP is .319, far too low for a lead off hitter.  He did pretty well stealing bases last year, but he doesn't show me great base running instinct. 

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@WillisReid @crash And Bundy is a leadoff hitter?  I have no problem trading Murphy if it makes the 2014 team better as a whole.  However, if we're shipping out Murphy for a SP prospects coming off of Tommy John, someone in the front office is throwing 2014 away (and possibly 2015 too).

metfan8669
metfan8669

@WillisReid @crash Why?  Legares, Young, (EY or Chris Young), Whoever will play SS, all could be leadoff candidates.  Why would you bat Murphy leadoff?

Andrew Herbst
Andrew Herbst

@Gland1 @Andrew Herbst Yep. That's true. I meant to say that we could have given up Wheeler and Syndergarrd for impact bats. I'm glad Sandy didn't trade those guys.

Derpy
Derpy

I've talked to Matt about this, he doesn't understand this. He thinks the writing itself pushes page views, and relies on surveys for his information.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@WillisReid I understand your point.   But my point is why is Murphy default leadoff?  What happens when he gets on?  Who do you have in the 2 hole to drive him in or advance him?  I feel he should be the 2 hitter is all.  If you have no faith in other player on the roster to hit leadoff then why have faith in them anywhere else? 

WillisReid
WillisReid

@metfan8669 Lagares and CY?  Come on.....And other than Reyes how many other SS in baseball are leadoff hitters?

Gland1
Gland1

@Andrew Herbst @Gland1 That's the only strength we have in the minors, which is why we'd have to give some up to get something good back.  

CJM
CJM

It's a joke, truly. Funny that Cerrone, who considers himself a blogging guru, has completely lost touch with his reader base.

Gland1
Gland1

@Derpy I'm not sure why Brender is qualified to write about advanced metrics?  And my point was that Ted doesn't even work here so expecting that from him doesn't make much sense either.

Gland1
Gland1

@Pete Mody @Gland1 @Derpy You're never going to get that much here.  Try FanGraphs for some general info and Amazin' Avenue for some Metsspecific stuff.

Tom Gallagher
Tom Gallagher

@Pete Mody @Derpy That would be great. I set up a fantasy baseball league that relied on mostly Sabermetric stats a few years ago. It helped me get a little bit more of a handle on it, but beyond OBP and Pitchers Per Appearance I still don't fully have a sense of what is good and what is bad.

Derpy
Derpy

@metfan8669

I have no idea about Kevin. He currently works for SNY. That is all I can tell you.

Derpy
Derpy

@Gland1

Robert Brender covers minor league baseball and such. He makes the mostly mets podcast with Toby Hyde. He occasionally writes for metsminorleagueblog, however they don't really go out of their way to state who wrote what for the blog (they don't attach a face or anything like that). He lives on the west coast and does a lot of the Las Vegas stuff.

Ted works for usatoday.

Pete Mody
Pete Mody

@Gland1 @Pete Mody @Derpy I would just like to learn about what standards we should consider when talking about the tools the current management is using to evaluate talent.  When I hear some of them, I don't know if I should cringe or be ho-hum, or excited.


I guess I can always trudge to a general site for it, but done using Mets players would be a nice touch.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@Derpy  - I should have known Toby Hyde, but don't know anything about Robert Brender, i'll have to pay more attention. -- Thanks for posting that response. 

Also, who can fill me in on Kevin Burkhardt's contract?  I know he was doing some other stuff, and I think his contract was up at the end of this past season.  Glad to see he isn't gone.  He is a quality guy.

Gland1
Gland1

@Derpy But those guys aren't regular contributors.  Does Ted even work here anymore?  And do you mean Robert Brender?  Who is he?

metfan8669
metfan8669

@Derpy What are Toby and Robert's last names?  I am not a big fan of Berg or Baron, but Maggie has some good posts with a little more depth than most of the others. 

CJM
CJM

lolol

Derpy
Derpy

Maggie isn't exactly an expert, either. The people you want to turn to are Toby, Robert, and to a lesser extent Ted. I think Toby is the most knowledgeable person around these blogs. You could go in another direction and look at the itsallaboutthemoney Yankee blog. Which is amazingly well written and the writers are very knowledgeable.

Gland1
Gland1

@Pete Mody @Derpy I have thought that would be a good feature too, some general explanation of advanced metrics.  They'd have to get Maggie to put it together, because Cerrone/Baron don't understand that stuff.  

Pete Mody
Pete Mody

@Derpy I have been a long defender of Matt when people complain, but I have to agree that I feel like I have read everything on here before.  That original content is almost non-existent.


You know what I would love here, a chart or analysis piece that helped me get around what benchmarks for performance were for common sabermetrics like OBS, OPS, and WAR.  I read these and I don't have as much of a natural understanding.  I obviously know that .800 is a lot better than .600, but does that equate to a similar difference of AVG between .300 and .200 or is it more like .300 and .250?

Pete Mody
Pete Mody

@Gland1 @sylow59 @Derpy Perhaps that is because the comment section keeps switching formats.  I have meant to comment a bunch of times since the change but then realized I needed to get signed up with yet another service and decided my comment wasn't that important.

Gland1
Gland1

@Derpy I could not agree with you more.  By the time I see them on this blog, I've read most of the "news" they post on Twitter or MLBTR.  The only reason I come here is to chat with people.  I know there are some people who get all of their news from here, but honestly most of those people are pretty ignorant.  I think those folks are more of this blog's target audience.

Derpy
Derpy

@Charlie Griffin

Hah. Yes. That is my Metsblog experience.

Derpy
Derpy

@Gland1

When he told me this, I laughed. Pretty hard. I've helped build online communities that number hundreds of thousands, but apparently a survey on a blog knows more than my successes and experience. >.<

But anyways, I usually don't even read the posts here on Mets blog. Most are just mashups or rehashes of previous posts. I just look for the keywords and I can figure out what they are saying from there. There is a distinct lack of originality or worthwhile journalism.

Gland1
Gland1

@sylow59 @Gland1 @Derpy What do you mean?  He's made comments like that before.  His data supposedly shows him that only a small percentage of readers actually participate in the comment section, so that's why it's not that important.  

Charlie Griffin
Charlie Griffin

@Derpy Ha...if they could produce a "clicked on page, did'n't read article, only read comments" stat, I think Cerrone would be very surprised.   

Gland1
Gland1

@Derpy Cerrone has always made it clear that he doesn't think the comment section is the most important part of this blog.  I believe he has always looked at it as a necessary evil.  He thinks people come here to read his work.