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Orioles, Mets talked about a trade involving Davis, Duda and Murphy

The Orioles and Mets recently spoke about deals involving Ike DavisLucas Duda and Daniel Murphy, but talks did not gain traction as the Mets were seeking a package including pitching prospect Eduardo Rodriguez (Encina, Jan. 4).

The Mets and Orioles have been in repeated contact this winter, according to multiple reports. Earlier this winter, the Mets asked Baltimore about SS J.J. Hardy (Rubin, Nov. 25) and OF Nick Markakis (Francesa, Nov. 13), while also inquiring about top pitching prospect Dylan Bundy during the Winter Meetings (Duquette on MLB Network Radio, Dec. 10).




197 comments
crash
crash

I could live with Hardy at SS. Hell, I could even live with Justin Turner in a pinch. It is abundantly clear that no one in the organization is thrilled with Stephen Drew. Boras may also be playing the Mets. And many teams might just be waiting for Ike to get cut before the season begins.  May be time to dangle one of our young arms in the hope of landing a productive SS.

joeg
joeg

For god sakes leave murph at second and don't play people out of position that never works

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

IMO, Duda is < Davis... Look to trade that clown and keep Murphy, he's one of the only productive players the mets have.

dabo
dabo

If Davis would learn to have a normal batting stance he would be a good player.  He should sit down with hundreds of ab's from Migggy on tape and see what a power hitter looks like.

howard_stn
howard_stn

The only way Davis gets traded is if they will accept a player that makes more money than him.  We know this will not happen.  Let's call this what it is- a salary dump.

Skyking
Skyking

Davis updates are getting old. Davis, Duda and Murphy do not add up to a top 3 pitching prospect. Davis's 138 BA for a top pitching prospect takes balls to even suggest. I would be focusing on a ss for Davis, or Duda. My preference is to keep Ike and Murphy and look to trade Duda. I am not sold on Drew hitting in citi field for $12M. Drew is an upgrade defensively and offensively over Tejada only but how many appearances at ss will we get before he gets injured. The $12M you pay for Drew I would rather add a few million and sign Cruz.

barcamets
barcamets

Seriously getting sick of the "but" in this whole Davis trading saga!!

mustang66
mustang66

yeah let's keep trying to trade Murphy. Then all we need to do is find a guy who can lead the team and hittin RBI's doubles run scored etcetera etcetera etcetera not to mention 23 stolen bases and $13 Homer's from second base idiotic!

Joanie Yan
Joanie Yan

Any infield defense that has Tejada, Murphy and Duda is horrible. Sign Drew (for 2 yrs), keep Ike at first (hit him 6th or 7th) and trade Duda for anything. That would at least make the team strong defensively and keep the payroll at around 90 mil. Maybe they'll get lucky, get bounce back years from Chris Young and Ike and make up the revenue by contending for a Wildcard. If they flop they can dump salary by trading Colon at the deadline and they would be rid of C Young and Ike in 2015 which would save them another 10 mil, giving them payroll flexibility. 

Eli Battistoni
Eli Battistoni

I am really in favor of trading all 3.  We can really save ourselves $9-10 million dollars in payroll and go after a proven bat like Morales.  We are not that far away.  This pitching staff will keep us in a lot of ball games.  Davis and Duda need to go.  They just can't do it here and we all know it.  Give Flores a shot, and use that money to land a Morales. 

rico
rico

I get the feeing a week or so before spring training a lot of these trades will be made or maybe during spring training when teams are afraid to go into the season under-manned. 

Jonny A-Sides
Jonny A-Sides

Yes! Just what I wanted - another Ike Davis story in which it states the Mets' asking price is too high. At this point, keep Ike, and trade the Wilpons to Cuba. This organization is going so far down hill and its taking this blog with it.

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

Why Mets fans are looking to trade Montero for an average shortstop is beyond me. People dismiss him as if he's a nothing prospect, and they only care about keeping Syndergaard.


Montero is 23, and has pitched 3 seasons of professional baseball. He is 28-16 with a 2.51 ERA in the minors. Is that skewed because of great lower-level numbers? No. He has a 3.05 ERA at AAA, where he has pitched more innings than at any other level. He has a 1.016 WHIP with a BB/9 rate of 1.7 for his career. His K/9 rate in the minors is 8.4, including a solid 7.9 mark in his time at AAA. 


Syndergaard is just 21, two years younger than Montero, and has four seasons in professional ball, although his first season was a short stint in rookie ball where he threw just 13.1 innings. He just reached AA this season, logging 54 innings in his stint there so far. Overall, he is 22-12 with a 2.64 ERA in the minors. This season was his first time in either A+ or AA, and he split nearly equivalent time between both levels this year and posted an ERA of at least 3.00 at both levels. For his career, he has a 1.110 WHIP with 10.1 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9. Last season against his toughest competition yet, he had a 1.147 WHIP and 8.2 H/9. 


Now I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate when talking about Syndergaard. He has tremendous stuff and his numbers are not even close to bad. In fact, they're stellar. However, I think it is plainly obvious that Montero has had more success, albeit with lower strikeout numbers. Both are tremendous pitching prospects, and the idea is to have a rotation of Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard and Montero leading the rotation in 2015 and beyond, and the hope is to have Colon, Gee, Niese and anyone else, like Mejia or DeGrom, have big seasons to trade for position players, and hold on to one of them to fill out the rotation at a cheap cost.  

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Apparently, any talks to trade Davis was just that. So, what we got is a player that nobody really wants including the Mets.

mainemets
mainemets

Does anybody else feel like as soon as Davis or Duda are traded to another team, they'll turn into much better players? I keep thinking of Angel Pagan or Carlos Gomez or Jeff Franouer or even Beltran.  I'm not advocating keeping them both--I just want to make sure we get a good return.

ladymetfan
ladymetfan

#KeepMurph

"...interested in Duda's progress...". Hmmmm, sounds like an euphemism for ' trade him to the AL as soon as he strings a few hits together'. Sorry, based on (not that small) a sample I have NO faith in Duda. I like Ike, even though he has looked awkward at the plate, his play at 1st Base is excellent- and  at least we have seen some awesome displays from him. For all Duda's size, he seems uncoordinated , if a Major Leaguer can be called that?!

Thomas H. Joseph Jr.
Thomas H. Joseph Jr.

If you trade both Davis, Duda & Murphy, that means Satin is at 1st everyday, and Young is at 2nd (with Flores backing up both). In theory, you could flip whoever they get, unless they play 1st, 2nd or SS. 

knight
knight

So we'll trade these guys for more young pitching?? Well if I'm the GM of say Arizona and Alderson comes to me for one of my SSs and he's added a good young pitcher from Balt. or Mil. I'll tell him that the price went up If Davis/Duda and Murphy are gone the Mets needs for hitting and position players increases greatly. If you have needs and I can provide them my price increases to maybe the newly acquired P AND Montero / Noah. The only way Alderson can do something here is work a three team. If he goes step by step, trade by trade he'll find the prices increasing and the Mets having a wonderful stockpile of young pitchers and little else beside Wright and Granderson. I say bite the bullet and give Drew his two years, if that's all it will take.

thenymets
thenymets

Amazing to me how quickly this site has gone downhill. The comment section is absolutely terrible. I have no idea why they felt the need to change it. Half the time I try and post a comment and I get "An error occured, try again later", additionally, there is no downvoting and the structure of replying is way worse.


Why fix something if it isn't broken?

jweiss
jweiss

DONT TRADE IKE!!!

Jon Forsyth
Jon Forsyth

He's underrated. People forget his offense at second base is above average.

rockyjr
rockyjr

I agree 100 %. Sign Drew. Keep Ike. Give away Duda.

stemog
stemog

@Joanie Yan I like how you think they offer two years and Drew will automatically accept. Wish it were that easy.

Mlb GM
Mlb GM

The quota is 1 a day from here so dont complain

barcamets
barcamets

The FO knows this, hence they have not yet traded him and laughs at teams enquiring about Thor or Montero. Just like teams laughing at them when they ask for their high ceiling pitching prospects for Davis.

tom25
tom25

@Zach Ripple It's  not just about the numbers in the minors.  Syndegaards projects to be a 2 or a 1.   Montero's ceiling, given his stuff, is a 3 or 4.  There's an enormous difference in potential between them.

metfan9876
metfan9876

Some of Syndergaard's numbers are skewed because of his final start that he made with like 8 days rest. He had an ERA of around 1.98 before his final start.

Gland1
Gland1

@mainemets How many years did it take for Gomez to get to where he is??


And Francoeur?  You can't be serious.

Bob Giacalone
Bob Giacalone

@mainemetsIt's the NY pressure. Some players can't handle it. Francouer was not consistently good in KC. Had one good year as I recall.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Frenchy wasn't good before, during or after us.

I can see Duda turning into a 280, high Obp 25 hr guy..no faith in Ike ever turning it around.

Rocco Schirripa
Rocco Schirripa

@mainemets 1. Jeff Francoeur was never good after leaving the mets. Ever.

2. You cannot possibly tell me that you regret trading Carlos Beltran. Of course he is still good, but he gave his best years to the Mets.

3. Carlos Gomez gave us Johan Santana. Even though we could have traded Lastings Milledge or F-Mart instead of him, that is an argument for another day.

4. Pagan was ok, but at the time the trade was a good gamble to take considering we needed the relief pitching.


Trading these guys will be worth it if we can become a better team in the long run. Who cares if they play better on another team? As long as they don't do it on the Yankees, Braves, or Phillies I hope they play great!

jjokerman
jjokerman

@knightits beyond me with this team always lookin to get players on the cheap. I agree with u give Stephen Drew  a 2yr deal

nym4lyfe
nym4lyfe

@thenymetsImo they did on purpose to make it more difficult for posters to critique them. Thin skin much Cerrone?

metsaholic
metsaholic

@jweissPlease, for the love of god, TRADE IKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wayno
Wayno

Whose projection??? Same people that passed on Wacha??? A projection means nothing, its a results business.

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

@Rocco Schirripa I agree on every trade except Pagan. He had a bWAR of 4.0 in half a season in 2009 and a 5.3 bWAR in 2010 before the drop off to 1.0 bWAR in 2011. The Mets sold way low on him for a guy in Andres Torres who had only one solid big league season to his name, and still does, and a solid middle reliever who, to be fair, fell off out of nowhere. However, Pagan was just 29 and Torres was 33. The Mets would've been a lot better off keeping Pagan, hoping for a bounceback campaign (which he ultimately had) and trading for legitimate talents. 


To make one side point about everything, I find it interesting that there was the Pagan trade in the offseason and then the Mets and Giants hooked up again that summer in the Beltran-Wheeler deal. I wonder if the same thing might've happened had the Giants not had Pagan and the team might not have been in contention and looking to add a bat. Just an interesting thought I figured I'd share. :)

mainemets
mainemets

@Rocco Schirripa@mainemets 

I get it.  Trades cost something.  I don't begrudge these guys, and i wouldn't have taken back any of the trades you mention, I just hate to see someone thrive when they're not on our team, whether it's the pressure of NY or whatever.


Wayno
Wayno

Feels??? Are u saying everyone in baseball knew Wacha was great or everyone in baseball knows montero will be average?? Nobody knows anything in baseball, been proven over and over. Thats why u accumulate the most talent and yhrow it at wall and see what sticks. Trading pitching never works.

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

@Wayne Martiak Jr That's my point exactly. While examining this year's Hall of Fame ballot, look at some of the guys who will likely get in: Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine. Neither of those guys had truly elite "stuff," but they had a nice mix of pitches, kept guys off balance and had great control. Throwing in the upper 90s doesn't mean you're an ace. It's about knowing how to pitch, and Montero has shown that. My evaluation is not that Montero is better than Syndergaard. My main point is that I think it's ridiculous how people are discarding Montero as just a decent pitcher with a future in the middle to back of the rotation, while I think he has as good a shot as Syndergaard or Wheeler to be a top of the rotation presence. Throwing strikes is a skill that translates well, no matter who the competition is, and while he might never be a 200 strikeout guy, I don't see why he can't be a terrific pitcher. Giving him up in a trade for a shortstop seems like a waste since there is no one out there who justifies trading him away, other than Tulowitzki. I'm only trading away Montero if other teams recognize him as a top pitching prospect and not some throw in. He seems to get lumped in with DeGrom during prospect discussions but those two should not even be in the same conversation. DeGrom got beat up in AA and AAA and will be 26 in June, so he's not especially young. I'm not saying he'll be nothing, but I know there's been some talk about him having a better future as a hard-throwing reliever. Who knows, but I truly believe Montero should be mentioned in the same breath as Syndergaard, not DeGrom.