Opinions: How will the OF rotation work for Terry Collins?

Earlier this week, Terry Collins said he intends to rotate Juan LagaresCurtis Granderson, Chris Young and Eric Young Jr. in and out of the three outfield positions, with no player ever sitting in back-to-back games. The Mets also have Bobby Abreu and Collins has said he would like to give a start to the 40-year-old every now and then.


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Lagares is on his way to Colorado (NY Post, May 1), where he is expected to be activated from the disabled list before Thursday’s game against the Rockies.

“For me, I don’t think about that,” Lagares said this week (Daily News, May 1). “I just want to keep working hard and be there for the team. Anywhere they need me I want to be ready for it. Any decision they make, they know what they’re doing. I just want to go work hard and work every day. If I don’t play, then I’ll be ready.”

Lagares had been hitting .314 with a .345 OBP, five extra base hits and seven RBI in the 13 games he played prior to injuring his leg.

Maggie Wiggin, Contributor

This system Collins is discussing sounds overly complicated and, to be honest, I’d be shocked if he actually uses it for more than a week, two at the most. As we already saw this season, when Lagares went down, these logjams tend to work themselves out more often than not. Even if all four players stay healthy, it’s hard to imagine playing time being taken from Chris Young, who is starting to get in a much-needed power groove; or Granderson, who the team desperately needs to work his way out of this month-long slump. Between a healthy and productive Lagares and Eric Young Jr., whose OBP is down to .315 for the season, I just don’t see the young defensive whiz with offensive upside getting left on the bench.

Michael Baron, Contributor

I don’t think Terry will be able to effectively manage a revolving outfield, so I don’t think the rotation will last very long  Playing specific match-ups is one thing, but to play musical chairs with four outfielders probably won’t work; and could easily hinder their performances. For instance, Granderson will not break out of his slump if he’s sitting on the bench every three days; nor will the Mets be able to consistently maximize Lagares’ spectacular defensive skills and promise at the plate. Ultimately, like Maggie, I don’t see either Granderson or Chris Young losing playing time, so it should eventually come down to what happens between Lagares and Eric Young Jr..




73 comments
John Vastola
John Vastola

Injuries happen, Mets need the depth. TC should give players a day off to stay strong and all 25 guys are needed to do that. EY sitting for now makes sense.

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

It won't work. Grandy and Young need to be in the lineup everyday. Grandy is getting the big bucks and eventually will hit for this team. I've liked what we've seen from Young so far and his potential is to great to not play him. Lagaras is certainly much better then Young Jr but I understand the hesitation to take that speed out of the lineup.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

Grandy will start A LOT ($$$), but need occasional days off.

Lagares should play Center 9 out of 10 games.

CY should play left 4 days and back up Lagares on the 10th day above.

EYjr should get 1 - 2 starts per week in Left plus the occasional day off for Murphy. Plus, EYjr should pinch run EVERY day he's not starting.

Problem solved.

chasesimms
chasesimms

 Lagares starts in center.  Every game.  Period.   Its not complicated.   Curtis (Jason Bay) Granderson is going to play, obviously, because like with Bay they want to "get him going".  And Chris Young is going to play.   


EYJ?  4th outfielder.   That's the smartest move, but this is the Mets.  So I am confident they will screw it up.  

heynow20
heynow20

EY should be the odd man out.  He can give each guy a breather and also sub for Murphy on occassion as well as be a pinch runner should Colon ever get on base after a whopping 8 seconds chugging down the baseline.

rico
rico

Hey instead of working 6 days a week these guys will work 5 days a week.


I'd sign up for that.



Bane
Bane

EYJ has to sit. Lagares is an every day CF no ways around it.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Great op/ed piece by Adam Rubin in ESPN New York today.  Think it's the most fitting response to the "open letter" sent to us yesterday.  Matt, you should post it.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

Let's just see what happens. I suspect it will be like any other rotation that this club announces. Terry will tell us how it will be, and then it won't be that way.


I'm rooting for Lagares. In my opinion, you look at Carlos Gomez, now, and you're seeing the track that Lagares is on (if not better). EYJ is playing at his peak.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

Ideally you want to start Lagares, but he should probably replace one of the Youngs or Granderson, about the 7th inning. When facing lefty pitchers Lagares should start.


I'm not one of these people booing Granderson, but with Abreau in the system, you could package Curtis or Eric young in a trade if Lagares can deliver offensively. 


If we're committed to Lagares, might as well go get Reyes, because you don't really want Young and Lagares in the same lineup, because even if Granderson hasn't given us outfield pop, either he should eventually or someone will. Then again, citifield is a big park, so maybe 280 hitters are more important than power pressing.

TheRealSayHey24
TheRealSayHey24

In a 4 man outfield rotation, you sit on the bench every 4th day, not every 3rd day as Baron suggests. 

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

It's very simple.  Lagares, CY and Granderson play the majority of the time and EYJ, one of the weakest hitters in the league and a poor leadoff man, plays just 2 or 3 times a week.  Only the Mets make this into a complicating situation.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

6W-7L before Lagares went on DL 9W-4L while he was on DL.That should matter right? I just don't think it should be an automatic benching for EY.

Eric Notkin
Eric Notkin

how hasn't that Lagares pic become a photoshop meme?

mettle
mettle

Correct, it makes no sense to reduce playing time for Lagares, Chris Young, or Grandy.  Which is exactly why TC will do so.

Michael Suriel
Michael Suriel

If it isn't obvious, EYJ has the most value as a bench player that gets spot starts. If Terry Collins had any knowledge he would keep CY, Grandy, and Lagares out there. Lagares has shown through Winter Ball and through the beginning of the season that he has improved his hitting. There is no way Grandy can be worse so we should hopefully see more balls falling for hits. Chris Young is one of the few guys that can actually bring some power to the lineup. Eric Young brings speed but it's useless if he doesn't get on base.

Chris Nehls
Chris Nehls

Is it really this hard for Terry? EY's a really nice pinch runner.

nolrog
nolrog

TC: I will take whoever is the hottest player and make sure he sits for a game or two. And if more than one guy is hot at the same time, I will sit both and play Lucas Duda in the OF isntead.

exileinla
exileinla

I think that Satin is the key to making that work, if TC isn't willing to just sit EYJR (which is my first choice).

If Satin hits, then you can use him to platoon with Duda, and to rest Wright once/month.  That means you can rest Murphy 1-2x/month also, with Young getting an occasional 2B start. 

If Satin is worthless, then you can't sit Wright or Murphy all that often...which means you can't get EYJr any ABs in the IF.

7up17_2go
7up17_2go

Lagares and C Young seem to hit lefties rather well.

E. Young handles righties reasonably well.

Granderson can't seem to hit anybody these days.


In all fairness, Grandy would be the odd man out.  He has 60 million reasons to say he plays the majority of the time. 

Steven Ackerman
Steven Ackerman

Lagares has to play unless his bat goes into a deep slump, gotta get him at bats and his glove is phenomenal he will save a lot of runs in CF over the course of the season which gives him more room for error at the plate.

owlnut
owlnut

@heynow20  Agreed. EY should be a bench player but Collins is in love with his speed, even though he's not that good of a hitter.

skillsets
skillsets

@flmetsfan Go back to the comments in the MetsBlog post on the letter. the text of Rubin's article is in many of the posts.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@cmetsfan Where did you dig your post up from.  It sounds like a post from a few years ago.  Just replace "Granderson" with "Bay" and replace Abreau with Hairston.

zoddie
zoddie

@BringBackDaveTelghe  Are the Mets making this complicated or just the bloggers here?


I don't see a reason why:

Lagares sits once per week vs a RHP

CYoung sits twice per week vs a RHP

Grandy sits once per week vs a LHP


Adjust as needed.  All three of those guys have pretty major platoon splits and would get EYjr in 3-4 days/week depending on off days.  It isn't that complicated.

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

Not in particular  Lagares was also playing during 1B sillyness, no CY in the lineup, Valverde blowing up, etc.  

heynow20
heynow20

3 of the 7 losses occured in the first series against the Nats, where CY was hurt and EY Jr and Lagares both played and where Lagares was exceptional hitting and fielding.  The Mets have been a different team, pitching wise, since that opening series, which is the real reason for the turnaround and not b/c Lagares went to the DL. 

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@Ed Yano Those stats are irrelevant. Mets won with great pitching while Lagares was on the DL, not because he was on the DL. Also, not Lagares fault that the bullpen was brutal early on.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Michael Suriel Completely agree with everything here.  (Except for the Winter League stuff which is even more irrelevant then spring training stats)

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

Satin has 3 hits this season. Safe to say he hasn't been doing much of that...

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@skillsets @flmetsfanMade a few of those comments myself.  First time I saw the Rubin article.  Just nice to see a member of the media had the same opinion.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@flmetsfan I posted what I thought. If your point is Granderson is bay, I'm not on that wagon. 


As far as Abreau being as good as Hairston, he'd have to prove that. I was just saying Abreau is a lefty power hitter that can play OF a little, in the event they want to package Granderson to a smaller park, and go with Lagares full tilt.

Thomas McKeever
Thomas McKeever

@willyum @Daniel Hernandezhe wasn't even hitting or walking that much. He got on with errors, a few walks, and bloop single here and there. He's not a good player. Why there is even still a discussion about EY starting over Juan is insane.

zoddie
zoddie

@Nick Squatrito   He also has had 19 ABs all season.  No one knows anything based on 19 ABs.  A 3-19 (with 3 walks and 3 RBI) during a season wouldn't even register with most players.


It is like saying that Satin is on pace to drive in 95 RBI if given 600 ABs.  Which he is.  But the sample size is so small that it makes anything like that meaningless.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@James I doubt it. Maybe a professional courtesy time limit, but he doesn't have a no trade clause and if this team is ready to turn a corner, than they'd pull the trigger if a smaller park team were interested in his defense and bat potential.


What's more likely is nobody would take him in some collusion attempt to jam up the mets outfield. Anyway he just got a hit, maybe Granderson turns it around, I'm not dismissing him outright. It's weather he contributes enough to hang in this outfield. 


Oh and ask ex Marlin, Reyes about trading time limits. 

James
James

@cmetsfan @flmetsfan  isn't there a time limit before they could even consider trading Grandy, not to mention the fact that there is less than 0 chance of that happening right now.