Opinion: This is what I hear when Sandy Alderson is talking

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

In regards to future payrolls, Mets GM Sandy Alderson told ESPN 98.7 FM, “I do believe it will go up if we’re able to generate the kind of revenue that will support that, and that’s why we have to win.”

The way I hear this, and the way I’ve always heard this, having listened to him every few months over the last few years, Alderson expects fans to start buying tickets when the team’s young pitching begins to finally deliver wins, at which point revenue will go up, at which point he’ll have more money to spend on payroll, which should help get more wins, which will increase revenue, which will continue to increase payroll, and so on, and so on… just like the Phillies did from the late ’90s through the last few years.

However, most fans and almost all radio hosts, columnists and reporters seem to skip the first step, hearing, “You have to come watch a bad team before we actually spend some money on players,” as ESPN’s Adam Rubin said Wednesday morning (ESPN, May 28).


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I find it hard to believe Alderson expects fans to watch a bad team, which, as Rubin points out, is what lots of people think he is saying. )This is confirmed by a quick glance at the hashtag #Mets on Twitter.) However, I’m willing to bet Alderson believes his pitching prospects, specifically Noah Syndergaard, Matt Harvey, Zack Wheeler, Jacob deGrom, Rafael Montero and Jenrry Mejia, among others, will create a fun, entertaining product worth coming to watch at Citi Field sooner, rather than later. And, the initial revenue generated from this bump in attendance will motivate additional spending.

This is what I hear, though it’s clear I’m in the minority. So, I’m hoping to interview Alderson at some point soon to try and better understand his comments, because it’s quite clear there is a total disconnect between what he’s saying and what most fans are hearing.




302 comments
mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

“I do believe it will go up if we’re able to generate the kind of revenue that will support that, and that’s why we have to win.”


If I recall correctly, the Mets were #8 overall among MLB teams in revenue last year, at something like $265 million (compared with the ~$80M payroll, that leaves a lot of profit!).


What "kind of revenue" is Sandy looking for--how much does it need to improve from #8 in MLB before our 22nd-ranked payroll can go up?  There is a huge discrepancy here; nothing anybody running this team says makes any sense anymore.

MildredMets
MildredMets

averaging 28K to watch this product...METS MANAGEMENT SHOULD BE TAKING OUT ADS IN THE FREAKIN TIMES THANKING THE FANS...

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

You can have all the pitching in the world, but the way you win a baseball game is still by scoring more runs than the other team. I love building the team around pitching too, but even if you could trot Tom Seaver in his prime out there every single day, you still have to score SOME runs to win a ball game. Look at the win/loss records of Mets' starters this year vs their ERAs. A few are more than a bit incongruous.


And I'm sorry, but to interpret was Sandy said the way Cerrone is in this article has got to be the highest form of pro-Met spin I've ever seen.

MildredMets
MildredMets

...maybe i am in the minority but i love pitching duels...i may be the only person disappointed when they brought the fences in...and i know  people will come to the  games if they WIN....if they are playing poorly at home i would blame management...get players  who hit freakin line drives...its almost incomrehensible to me that this team plays in NYC...and if sandy thinks they arent drawing well enough he should be grateful they have such a great new park...if they were playing at shea (which i freakin miss by the way) they would be drawing  even  less...

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

So when did TV money and ad "revenue" stopped being REVENUE!?

Thomas Condito
Thomas Condito

Is this guy living on planet earth, why would anyone spend redistributed money ( thanks Obama ) to see a less than bad team. Give us something to root for not a bullcrap team full of minor leaguers ( if that's not insulting to minor leaguers )

Paul Wesolowski
Paul Wesolowski

I think back to when the Mets got Keith Hernandez, Gary Carter, Mike Piazza......

The fans stormed the stadium to watch exciting games! What happened, did THIS PART OF NY GO BROKE? Why are we not pursuing players like this anymore?

Doesnt the ownership realize, even small

Payroll teams are getting exciting players

, while we let ours go, IE: REYES , PAGAN ALL THE WAY BACK TO RYAN! Someone

Has to see where the pronlem is and fix it before you dont have a fan base. Ive been watching the Mets since Sid Loberfield was there attorney, 43 YEARS, havnt had the urge to go see them in a few years.

Im disabled now but would love to see a good team put on the field. Still praying for another MIRACLE METS TEAM!

72tilltc
72tilltc

Matt you are either lying or not very good at comprehension.

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

So there's no restraint on spending, but, certain things have to happen for spending to go up.

Ohhhhh, makes perfect sense.

dude3480
dude3480

I am sure someone else has said this already... but pitching is not going to fill seats... Scoring runs and winning games will fill seats. Pitching is nice, but when I went to games watching a pitchers game is not as fun as watching a game with lots of offense. This is just my opinion, but I would venture a guess that I am not the only one. This could be one of the places there is a disconnect between fans and the team. 

MarkinBrooklyn
MarkinBrooklyn

Sandy Alderson is making comments that are open to interpretation to deflect from the Mets' problems. He can't acknowledge he is under spending constraints. I don't see the progress from the young pitchers that he keeps talking about. The one exception was Matt Harvey, before he got hurt.

Michael McDermott
Michael McDermott

I thought this was supposed to be a blog -- not Sandy Alderson's PR agency.

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

All I hear are lies when Sandy talks.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

I am grossly tired of this "supply side" philosophy being applied to baseball.  "If more fans come to the park, we make more revenue and spend it on better free agents."  Please!  You sound like Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, and the freakin RNC.  "If you lower rich people's taxes, they'll invest it in their companies and hire new employees."  That is a load of horse crap Matt.  There is no proof that rich people use their money from tax breaks to invest in their businesses, just like there is no proof that small market teams with large followings spend money on free agents.  If that was true, Pittsburgh and Kansas City would have spent a ton on free agents during the off season.  They didn't.  Their respective owners pocketed the short term gain, and now their teams are falling to earth again.

Telling fans to come support the team so the owners can have more money to spend on free agents?  That's not only stupid, it's insulting.

metstones
metstones

This would be an awesome site if the "lead writer" was a 16 year old kid. The fact that the "lead writer" is a grown man, around the Mets organization on a daily basis and is more clueless about this organization than over 80% of the bloggers on this site speaks volumes about what a schmuck the "lead writer" actually is.

Patrick Boegel
Patrick Boegel

This is not an opinion, this is a hypothesis and a shaky one at that.


Alderson has already repeatedly made snarky comments about fans buying tickets, so yes, he does very clearly expect people to pay before he spends, and that is the functional groundwork he laid out in October of 2010.


None of this is surprising to anyone who could do simple arithmetic.  


Just a short month ago, this organization trotted out its alumni to essentially admonish the fans for not being there like they were in 1969, 1986 and other years.


That is categorically absurd.


Funny thing about young power pitching, most of it is dropping like flies, and even if you are fortunate enough to keep a smidgen of it together, you still need players who can actually swing a bat at the major league level.

Chris Kujawa
Chris Kujawa

How the hell is the right track wrong track poll 50/50?!?!

Anthony Giammattei
Anthony Giammattei

Just the idea that we have to decode or translate everything Alderson says is a good sign he's not being straightforward with us.

Paul Que
Paul Que

the mets are a freakin joke

bigslick
bigslick

So I have a really crappy restuarant that has been repeatedly shut down by the dept of health but if you keep coming to my restuarant and spend more money on my rancid food, I will then spend money on better ingredients and pay someone to cleanup the rat droppings..........unreal how these putzes ever made $$$ in the real estate world

John John
John John

Bottom line is the Wilpons bought this team for around $300M and its now worth $2B.  IF they can't find money to spend on the team, then the problem is the WIlpons' management, not how many fans are in the stands.  

John John
John John

I don't know what's more shocking, a GM telling fans that payroll won't increase unless they come to the stadium and watch a crappy team, or Matt Cerrone trying to spin it into a positive story.  This has to be the worst Mets blog on the internet.  I hope they pay Matt a lot to sell himself, because posts like this are simply pathetic.  Grow a sac JAck.

heynow20
heynow20

The only explanation I can come up with is that with Harvey going down, they had a setback, and just weren't enamored with this class of free agents, so they didn't offer decent length/sized contracts to anyone. I think cy was just a stopgap they thought could pan out and if not, then cut ties in 2015 and sign a better alternative. I also think sandy thought colon could duplicate his 2013 season, with a move from the al to the nl, which is typically a benefit to a pitcher's stats. He could have then used that, knowing full well the mets would not be contending, as trade bait in the same fashion as dickey. Further, this year was an evaluation of tejada and duda. The only problem is that none of this has worked out but I really don't think this is a shock to anyone including sandy besides that colon might not net the return he was anticipating.

heynow20
heynow20

I think sandy has done some very promising things from a long term perspective. However, from a short term perspective, it's been a bit shaky. I don't believe Cruz was available to us for the same deal he gave the O's and I don't believe the Wilton's would have authorized Abreu. So for those that keep using those two examples, I think they are off base. I do however think our internal player evaluation has been questionable and that has led to some worrisome decisions. If we had such a surplus of pitching, then why sign colon? We could have used his 10m salary on signing a better offensive piece and used dice k one of these young guys, deform or montero, and been just as effective. Why drag along Ike for so long with his 3.5m salary if they preferred duda? Did they really need spring training after yrs of watching these two to make a decision? Why even sign Chris young? Did they not know what they had in lagares? They obviously love ey jr so it's like the signed cy to play over lagares. Another 7m wasted. Factor in that if they signed Drew, they could have also dumped tejada and his salary, albeit a small one. That equates to another 22 - 23m in payroll for this year, which they could have used on Drew and morales on short term multi year contracts without spending a dime more and been significantly more competitive. Just doesn't make sense.

theglider
theglider

To me the biggest issue is not the team's payroll. It's been cut deeply and will stay that way for awhile.

What I find demoralizing is that we did have some money to spend this offseason and squandered it.

Maybe Colon can still pitch. But he's 41 and not in our future. Could that $10 million a year bought us a better bullpen? A solid hitting shortstop? We're spending $22.5 million on two poor hitting outfielders. Outfield was not a problem. Why didn't we get a first baseman?

We did have some money despite the Wilpons finances. It was wasted.

anymos
anymos

@dude3480 I don't agree with this.  Fans will come to the park to see a winner.  If its 2-0, 3-1, 4-2, or 7-5, 8-4, 9-5- they want to see winning baseball.  The problem is we don't have enough guys hitting to even win pitcher's duels on a consistent basis.  That is the troubling part about the situation.  We were a few good bats from being a pretty good team this year but couldn't pony up to bring them here.  CY was a reach, Granderson seemed like a good deal because no one thought he'd hit this poorly- but he was a fall-back option when guys like Choo and Ellsbury proved too expensive. If we can't afford established hitters- we have to keep rolling the dice on guys like Byrd and CY, and hope we hit the jackpot with kids like Nimmo and Dom Smith before the team will start winning.  Its like there's no room for error and that's not a very comforting thought

Paul Wesolowski
Paul Wesolowski

Kind of like Obamacare, you have to pass it to see whats in it.... SANDY:NANCY. HHMMMMM

PanchoVilla
PanchoVilla

The polls have always been a scam from the onset. This is a site owned by the Mets and the bloggers are schills. You should know this already.

Chris Kujawa
Chris Kujawa

If you agree to buy this condemned house we'll see what we can do about maybe getting the carpets cleaned. If you need financing Bernie will be more than happy to help.

Thomas Condito
Thomas Condito

Finally a fan that realizes the Wontpons are the first and only problem!!!

bzfgt
bzfgt

@John John If the quote didn't end with him saying "And that's why we have to win," you'd have a point there.

1harris1
1harris1

@heynow20  Or maybe the explanation is that the Wilpons don't have the wherewithal to spend on big ticket players,


I don't buy the idea that management needed this year to "evaluate" Duda and Tejada.  They already knew what they had in these players (which is not much), and at least in the case of Tejada the general manager has done nothing but badmouth the guy,

qualcomm
qualcomm

@theglider Howard Megdal had an interesting take on why CY is here.  Basically, Sandy had to buy quick because there was no guarantee the money would be there a day later.

So it was a choice between CY in hand or the chance they wouldn't spend the money at all. It's hard to make moves that way.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@theglider The expression is follow the money. Theoretically they should have 120 mil payroll this day in age, but really what's provoking everyone is we are sensing lying.

@Paul Wesolowski - kind of like Obamacare? In what universe is it like giving people access to healthcare? 

bzfgt
bzfgt

@John John That was supposed to be a response to John John's next post, I don't know what happened.

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

Exactly, why would anyone want to play for an organization that clearly wanted to get rid of you?

anymos
anymos

@qualcomm @theglider That could be.  I didn't think it was because the money would disappear- I thought it was that he saw how quickly prices jumped on the guys he really wanted (like Peralta) that he made a strong move to get CY before he was priced out of that market as well.

theglider
theglider

We don't know their finances. Maybe they're lying or maybe they have nothing. But we did have $32.5 million that was spent this offseason. That's not debatable.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@theglider I didn't say lying about payroll constraints specifically, I'm saying lying, period.