Opinion: Mets fans are more concerned with each other than the team

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I talked to lots of fans at Citi Field yesterday. I heard a lot of passion, a lot of emotion and A LOT of competitive fire. However, not a single fan mentioned the Marlins, Phillies, Nationals or Braves. I never heard the Yankees or Cardinals mentioned once.

Instead, I heard only complaints and fear about the Wilpons and Sandy Alderson, their beat reporters, payroll, players, ballpark and, mostly, different groups of fans. It’s a weird and expanding dynamic that isn’t a lot of fun to experience in person. I think it is what makes Darren Meenan’s The 7 Line outings so intoxicating, because his “army” of fans are focused on having fun at the game while cheering for their team to win.

USATSI_7843800_110579513_lowresWhile I’m patient to a point, I really don’t like to watch the Mets lose. I, as most fans should, care about winning against the other team. And, of late, whether in person at the ballpark, on Twitter or in this site’s or other site’s comment sections, it seems more like each day is consumed with yet another internal squabble between Mets fans.

On the first day of a 162-game season, when most organizations and fans wake up feeling like anything is possible, the Mets community (from top to bottom) was sounding to me like an old married couple, already at their wit’s end with one another.

I can handle the bickering with the organization. I can handle the slap-fighting between fan and reporter, because it’s kind of entertaining. But, I’m tired of fans belly-aching about other fans, arguing about who is a bigger ‘die hard,’ or who has the better plan for success, and often accusing one another of being complicit in the team’s recent failure.

I’m not about to start a drum circle or break out in “Kumbaya,” but I do find the in-fighting to be tedious and demoralizing. So, forgive me if I stop responding to criticism directed at ‘fans like me,’ as one person wrote in an e-mail to me this morning. Instead, at least for one week, I’d like to stick my head in the sand, and still imagine anything is possible, while directing my wrath and acrimony toward the other 14 teams (and fans) competing for October.




374 comments
Barbara Burns Re
Barbara Burns Re

I agree. So many Mets fans are so critical of everyone and everything.

Many times, especially on opening day, I hear nasty comments and booing. If you don't like the team FIND 1 YOU DO LIKE!!!

Sick of such pathetic 'fans'!

Peter Moses
Peter Moses

Being a Mets fan is akin to being a self-cutter. It hurts, it's bad for you but you can't help yourself.

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

Marlins and Phillies seem to be better teams from last season. This division is looking to be more competitive than previous seasons. The Braves are not running away with anything this year.

poli42
poli42

Have loved this site for years! Keep doing your thing, Cerrone!

Rip 'em.

Bootyclapthunder
Bootyclapthunder

Well said Matt, first and probably last comment here, just signed in to let you know that I think you're dead on.

Ari
Ari

No matter how embarrassing and a disgrace the wilpons turned this francise into and refuse to sell, I'll always bleed orange and blue, its in my DNA...atleast the yankees lost tonite...that will take the cover of the papers tomorrow not parnell...

Ari
Ari

Hey mancino im an MD and your doing exactly what cerrone was complaining about , you obviously missed the point and my delta club seats deserve a major league ballclub not the long island ducks.. Haaaaa

Michael Mancino
Michael Mancino

I have not commented here ever, just pop i and out to read things.

A few points:

-Cerrone's job is to cover the Mets. To all you guys out there taking cheap shots, step up, start a site then make a pitch to the Mets to sponsor it. It's called business. Maybe instead of blogging all day you should try to get a degree and try your hand at it. You think it's easy, learn the game.

-Parking? Really? If you live in Queens like I do, anywhere in Queens, take a cab cheapskate. It cost me $12 there, $10 back. Don't be frightened of Roosevelt Avenue and walk a few blocks. They are easy to get. Or, even better, take the train. If you come from Jersey or CT, then drive. LIRR stops there too.

-Wilpons are the owners. Deal with it, your life will be better. Again, read a business book, get a degree, and learn how a corporation works. Madoff cost them about 500 million, some in paper, most in real estate. Things happen like this in the real world of business.

-I attended approx. 20-25 games a year since about 1982, maybe a little less now. I don't have season tix and you can get a ticket for like 20 bucks. Drink before the game, have a few in there, and you are looking at a basic night out. If you have kids, bring them to a day game and you will need more cab, but we are not talking a $300 night out. Also, don't go nuts on food. Have a bag of popcorn and watch the game or grab a slice for dollar or two before you go.

Ari
Ari

Matt, i visit and Read every post this site 365 days a year. Been a mets fan since '83, when i was 5 yrs old. I never felt

The need to post here until now. Us fans want to see a winning team, or atleast feel the organization that we support,emotionally, physically and financially is trying every possible to field a winning team. In difficult economic times, watching ticket and parking prices go up exponentially and us fans still support our team cause thats what we love, it makes is sick to see mets ownership not holding up to there end of the bargain. Its upsetting to see what you have said and obvious your views may be different from us fans since you have financial incentive. i can tell you one thing, if you arent sick to your stomach with what the mets r putting out there, having lost WFAN, and yankees cross town with an all star lineup, then your the one thats not a fan, your just another mets employee..

evrybdyluvsant
evrybdyluvsant

@metsblog We just want to see the Mets win. Even though we sometimes have different views on how that should happen, it's important...

evrybdyluvsant
evrybdyluvsant

@metsblog Good post Cerrone. It's true. We argue and disagree, but all of our passion comes from the same place.

Chris Peragine
Chris Peragine

I for one would like to see this kind of vitriol directed at the ownership and direction the team is heading, the way it makes you feel as a fan, because I don't think anyone with half a brain would deny you that Matt.

The fire is there, just need to direct it where it deserves to be, shoot from the gut if you will. This was a good start.

wilpondscm
wilpondscm

"But, I’m tired of fans belly-aching about other fans, arguing about who is a bigger ‘die hard,’ or who has the better plan for success, and often accusing one another of being complicit in the team’s recent failure."


matt,


there is a reason you feel that way..because you are one of those very fans that are complicit in the team's recent failures. 


you had to be called out daily for months and even years depending, before you began slightly changing your verbiage to admit the ownership is and has been horrendous. your attitude toward the organization is subjective. 


the irony is that it is you who are concerned with other fans, since we read your blog and we are often in direct opposition with your alliance, because we care about the team. you just want everything to be ideal - everything hunky-dory with fans and the team, afraid of facing reality. we call out the issues. but you are the one concerned with the fans, because we aren't so complacent and don't  get a check from the wilpons.

bobby d
bobby d

This Mets team somewhat reminds me of 1984, on the cusp of a competitive team. Mets fans should be enjoying the growth of the young players. Instead all I hear is kivitching about money not spent. Don't they remember all the money spent on unproductive players 2007 to 2012.

blutehre14
blutehre14

Hey Matt did jeffy tell you to write this and have Sandy proofread it. Or are you going Rodney King on us.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

So yo can sit by and put up with all the nonsense from the Wilpons but when some fans start complaining about it you can't handle it?

blutehre14
blutehre14

We bicker and complain on this site amonst ourselves becuse we're constantly rooting for the crap the FO feeds us "fans". Winning will change that, Then we can talk smack about the other teams and their fans. Until that happens we will continue to get smacked around by the rest of the league

hewalkedim
hewalkedim

The question of whether or not the bickering is justified misses the point. The team isn't great, so fans have the right to complain. It's more on point, though, to ask what we gain by bickering. The FO isn't listening to us anyway. And the Wilpons certainly aren't going to sell the team just because most fans want them to. So why can't we just chill and see what happens. This is supposed to be an entertainment. If it makes you so depressed, go entertain yourself another way and just ignore the team for a day or two. I know some of you might think doing that isn't being "diehard" enough, but at the end of the day, you can't just submit yourself to something you find distasteful day after day. Or you can, if it's your job and you're getting compensated for doing it. But this isn't anyone's job. Honestly, the hardest thing about being a Met fan right now isn't how bad the team on the field is, it's how annoying and depressing one's fellow fans are.

JoMama
JoMama

I can't wait to see them in Seattle this July (arguably the best weather in any city across the country)!  Makes me extremely happy that I get to see my ballclub 3X this year, at $12/pop, walking distance from my house AND all the while not lining the Wilpon's pockets. But I digress - Cerrone is a puppet and can't bite the hand that feed him, of course he's going to defend management, he has to. Anyone that doesn't believe we live in a plutocracy is deaf, blind or doesn't care. 

hell yes. thanks for that.

Anthony Michael
Anthony Michael

I don't think there's really much reason to harp on the fury of the fans right now. This is to be expected with five straight losing seasons (probably a sixth one coming), an ownership group who either is unable to (or does not want to) contribute adequate monetary resources for the team, and a general manager whose hands are tied and essentially just serves as a Public Relations mouthpiece. While we have some great young talent coming up, I think most would agree that some spending is needed to supplement that.

Charlie Callahan
Charlie Callahan

How is that Jose Reyes contracting looking now??? But hey lets just keeping spending. That will solve everything. 

TheWizard7
TheWizard7

I think the palpable anger among the fan base is justified- and its not a reaction to the losing or even the lack of money spent on talent.


I think the stink around this franchise is a result of them being extremely dishonest at all turns.  It has been proven that they were purposefully misleading about their finances multiple times in the last five years.  Things like "we have nothing stopping us from raising payroll" when in fact they did.  


Maybe Im wrong, but Mets fans would have tolerated this current rebuild if it was pitched to them with transparency.  This front office is incapable of it and that is the true cause of the frustration and anger that surrounds Mets fandom right now.

Michael Mancino
Michael Mancino

Little sleepy, sorry Doc. I've got corp seats too, Delta is nice.

Brooklyn has a minor league team too, costs less there.

I got us at about .500 this year.

The last five years have sucked for sure but, if you must protest, just don't go.

psi1
psi1

Chris...I'm with you here. The ownership has reduced this team and the fans energy to a very negative level. I know I feel this way. It will make it very hard for the players to rise above the constant negative energy that will be permeating the stadium. Anderson may think of a manager as a desk ornament, but Met fans do not. TC exemplifies the apathy of the fans to this team. In a way it's not his fault, but just another tone deaf decision by a tone deaf organization. This has the makings if a very very ugly season...and I'm not just talking about wins and losses.

cactus
cactus

@bobby d please don't apologize for the wilpons. spending money is not a bad thing.  they spent money on reyes, dickey, beltran, pagan, etc. too.

anymos
anymos

Jose Reyes for 22m a year? Yeah, I'll pass. Just because our SS stink doesn't make that a good contract.

Nbefor Belair
Nbefor Belair

@Charlie Callahan  The Red Sox won the WS with a top 5 payroll.  Ours in 22nd in MLB.  


Teams with low payrolls historically do not win the WS. 

chrislex
chrislex

@thewizard7: reading most of these posts on this blog, do you think many of these people could've handled "transparency"??!!

Ant Hanni
Ant Hanni

There aren't too many "good contract s" for top notch talent

Charlie Callahan
Charlie Callahan

 @Charlie Callahan  if you think the Reyes contract is a good contract for any team your a moron. His whole game was based on his legs. Last year missed most of the season with an ankle now on the DL after one AB for his hammy. 

cactus
cactus

@Nbefor Belair @Charlie Callahannot one team since the strike has won a world series with a payroll that finished in the bottom half of the league that season.  not a single one.

Charlie Callahan
Charlie Callahan

@Nbefor Belair @Charlie Callahan  You just proved my point. $$ doesn't equal success.  I agree we have to spend more and believe we will when the time and the deal is right. They are not going to spend big $$ just to make a bunch of fans happy for a week or two.. When we are one or two players away and they are the difference maker I believe they will do it. I just don't believe is spending $$ to spend $$. Thats why we are we are in the mess we are in. I have %100 trust in Sandy.  

cactus
cactus

@Charlie Callahan @cactus@Nbefor Belairwhat's the goal every year?  to win a world series.  there's a reason teams like the A's do horrendous once they get to the playoffs.  spending IS the answer.  spending on the right guys, sure, but you have to spend to win.

Charlie Callahan
Charlie Callahan

@cactus @Nbefor Belair @Charlie Callahan  how many have made it to the WS? Playoffs? yes, you need to spend but its not the answer. everyone bitching about ownership try being Astro, Marlins or Royals fans. sometimes the devil you know is better then the devil you dont. 

Ant Hanni
Ant Hanni

Its not just spending money to spend money its spending money to be relevant