ICYMI: There is no good reason for a team to acquire Colon before July 31

This post originally appeared on July 23, 2014…

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The way I see it, there is no good reason for a team to acquire Bartolo Colon before July 31, unless they’re really, really desperate. Otherwise, they wait, and so do the Mets. Why? I suspect Sandy Alderson took a calculated risk giving Colon a second year on his contract because Alderson felt the Mets would be able to move Bartolo before the end of the season in some way, shape or form. So, if giving him the second year got him to ink the deal, so be it.

Well, here we are…

The Mets are trying hard to move him (Knobler, July 22), and the Giants have expressed interest (ESPN Deportes, July 22).


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Interested teams are asking the Mets to pay a portion of Colon’s $11 million salary for 2015, according to columnist Joel Sherman (NY Post, July 23). However, Sandy Alderson would prefer not to do that (Carig, July 22).

In other words, “I think there is zero chance they find someone to take him,” a scout told Sherman. “You have to pay him $11 million next year when he will be 42 and no one wants to do that. No one is going to trust to give up prospects and take on that risk.”

The Mets could choose to let Colon get claimed off waivers and, though they’d get nothing back in return for him, they also wouldn’t be on the hook for his salary in 2015, a front office executive told Sherman, predicting that this is exactly what the Mets will try to do.


The market looks to be like this: As is, a 41-year-old, overweight, 8-8 Colon with a history of steroid usage and a 4.21 ERA, due $11 million next season, is seemingly worth one mid-level pitching prospect, maybe two, depending on the other team’s despair. Sure, the Mets could pay some of the $11 million, but how much will that actually bump up the quality of the returning prospect? According to insiders I’ve talked with, while it will increase the name coming back in the deal, he probably won’t be worth the full $11 million. In other words, I don’t see how Alderson finds a good, justifiable fit — or, at least one better than going into this September and offseason with Colon on the team.


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On the other hand, the Mets can put Colon on waivers and – if a team claims him – just let him go. Sure, it would be disappointing to not get back a young player or two to add to an already rich farm system. But, it would clear $15 million or so that could be better allocated for a bat this winter. Ordinarily, it’s foolish to let a pitcher of Colon’s caliber walk. However, as Jacob deGrom and Zack Wheeler keep maturing in front of our eyes, Matt Harvey will be back next season as well…

In other words, in the next seven days, the Mets are going to ask teams to overpay for Colon – much like they did with Marlon Byrd last year. In this case, because Colon is under contract next year, overpay may mean having the acquiring team pick up all or part of Colon’s remaining money. However, like with Byrd, and for the reasons listed above, I bet nothing will happen before the deadline. Instead, I think real Colon trade talks hit us in August, ending either with him getting moved to a team for nothing or finishing the year on the Mets.

Or, as one NL insider recently told me, “The thing about Sandy is that, and you saw this with RA Dickey and Carlos Beltran, he tends to ask for the moon, everyone laughs and yet he seems to find a way to get it.” Maybe that can happen again this time around…again.




133 comments
Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

This means he's almost guaranteed to be traded. Cerrone is wrong alot more than he's right about predicting signings and trades. He had the Brewers trading Braun for Ike Davis, and then had the Pirates giving up their first round pick for Ike Davis later on. None of this happened. He was the ONLY one who tought Abreu wouldn't be good. I'd bet against Cerrone's predictions anytime.

Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

Colon and CY are 2 examples of SA thinking he's the smartest man in the room and failing miserably.  

Colon has pitched well but at his age but there's a reason why no one else offered a 2nd year to him, and for that same reason SA will find it difficult trading him, his age and risk for injury. He needs to trade him and get out from under the rest of the contract and risk of injury even if it means taking whatever is offered in terms of prospect


Combine the 2 salary's and I find it hard to believe SA couldn't have found a free agent to improve the Mets where improvement really needed to be, either OF or SS. Instead a year was wasted and they STILL need to improve at these positions.  

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

AAA starter Boone Whiting from the Cards would be a nice p/u for Colon..seems like a GEE clone.

donw
donw

I don't agree w/ the headline.  If a team in contention needs a reliable starter down the stretch their chances of getting Colon are better now than after 7/31 when he would have to go through waivers and another contender could claim him first.  If Price is off the market, Colon looks even better.

Robert Nolan
Robert Nolan

Anyone still believe that the Mets financial problems are behind them?  They aren't willing to eat several million to unload a guy who could net prospects, but won't do that...and they play in the biggest sports market there is....ODD?  Only if you believe the load of crap coming from the front office about there being money to spend...yeah right.

rico
rico

If the mets trade him for a nice return I want every know-it-all on this board who keeps saying he's going to be waived, we need to pay someone to take him away, to mea-culpa stand up and say " I was dead-wrong!" ? 


Nobody ever owns up to being donkey-butt-wrong, as they often are here. Just more ridiculous prognostication with based on non-information

tw22
tw22

Choosing not to pay a portion of his 2015 salary and instead releasing him and having to pay the full price in 2015 regardless is a lesson in poor economics. Move him, get what you can and throw in the  $5.5 mil. That's still sitting there from the increase in payroll you got from the end of last year.

Rob Steven
Rob Steven

I have said it before, I will say it again: Just dangle him in front of Minaya, he won't be able to resist.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

This was a weak argument to begin with and just as week now as a repeated argument.  With all the terrible pitching out there and teams making gobs of money, you don't think a contender would worry about bringing in Colon and paying him for next year?  How much would the Yanks want him with their pitching staff brutalized by injury.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

I guess the long and short of it is Bartolo will be put on waiver at the end of the season. The $11 Mil salary due in 2015 is enough to scare any team away except for our Metsies.Sandy could have promoted another arm from the minors and not be in this situation.

grillruben
grillruben

Why wouldn't a team want him? He's a perfect #5 pitchers. Goes deep in games. Basically all his starts are decisions. He throws strikes, can give up 5 run and still go 7-8 innings. Especially with Price possibly coming off the market, if I'm LA Dodgers/ SF Giants I see a guy that can pitch in their giant park, throw to contact and give you 6 plus innings every five days.      There's no reason he can't be moved.

Father Dooley
Father Dooley

Friends and nay-sayers, what do you feel is the best we can get for Colon?  I say a AAA prospect at best.

drmetfan
drmetfan

Colon all be traded however, the return value will depend on how well he performs his next 2 starts prior to the deadline. As I said yesterday, to me, the best match is the Angels. Colon has been successful against the A's and Mariners.

xplr
xplr

If the Mets waive him, I'm done. That would be the final straw.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

How many brazen salary dumps are we expected to endure for a New York City team?  I'm really getting sick of moves that save the franchise payroll dollars, but never seeing those savings reinvested into the team (see, e.g., Ike Davis).  IF they are going to use ALL of the money saved by waiving Colon to improve the talent level on the roster, that's one thing.  But I suspect that most of the money saved--as has commonly been the case in the past--would simply go to line the Wilpons' pockets, and I'm getting very, VERY tired of seeing that happen over and over again.

Bob Giacalone
Bob Giacalone

This article is the digital version of the Cerrone photocopier. Same story we've heard...nothing new. Waste of time.

eric88
eric88

The.Mets will get NOTHING for Colon. Just another miscalculation by Sanford Alderson.

Eamon Carty
Eamon Carty

We don't need prospects we need mlb ready guys. We have the pitching. The young guns don't stay young forever we need a bat and we new it now and I have faith mets can compete with just one more mlb ready bat.

Colon and a young buck bat that's not ready yet. And let's go already.

Alderson needs to grow a pair. If he doesn't ship colon off what a failure that's the only reason sighing him was trade bait.

Smarten up wilpons and alderson. Enough is enough.

qualcomm
qualcomm

If we're THAT desperate to save 11M that we'll wave him for nothing rather than pay partial to get a good prospect, we are doomed. Are we saving up for Hanley this winter? haha

Slim
Slim

Obviously going to need that $11mil. to get Alex Rios next year...

elcondor
elcondor

Price may stay with The Rays. Lee doesn't look too good. A market may soon develop for Colon. They don't have to ask teams to Overpay, just fair value for a veteran starting pitcher that can get people out

drmetfan
drmetfan

I guess Colon had someone translate this post to him today and went out to prove he can still pitch a good game and be acquired by the deadline.

Shawn R. Babcock
Shawn R. Babcock

Why when we have an asset, there's no rush, and we might just have ro waive him. When we need something - its it will cost ya top prospects.

Colon is a solid pitcher that will help a team win. One year shouldnt be a deal breaker.

rico
rico

You'd think Seattle would be interested in Colon considering he's 13-1 pitching at Safeco.



cver
cver

The Mets need to get something back for Colon.  I recall that the Mets got something back for Byrd and Buck after the deadlline, so that is another possibility.  As other contenders starters get injured and the deadline passes, they might be more desperate.  Of course, Colon won't be the only one available.  Maybe this performance today will help increase the interest.  You would think so.

John Vastola
John Vastola

The way he's pitching today, I think a contender will acquire him.

rico
rico

Al, you Tejada haters can rejoice, looks like Wilmer or some Tejada replacement is on the way...as Ruben is on the way to a hospital after getting beaned.

Ps :Bartolo looking pretty desirable out there.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

The Angels have 2 pitchers recovering from TJ surgery and Wilson on the 15 day DL so they might be a good trade partner.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

For the right deal, I'd trade him, take the prospects, and pay the money. There are teams who need a pitcher to make a run. The boys in the Bronx, for instance. I'm not saying they have the prospects (the Giants don't, either). So what if he doesn't get traded? The payroll on the team is still so low that any respectable club should be able to carry the dead weight of the contract.

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

Gary and Ron essentially saying Tejada was the right choice...hmmm

baldy
baldy

If he pitches a no-hitter today, someone will take him.

elcondor
elcondor

Agree with you 100% with Price and Cole Hamels probably staying put there will be Demand for Colon. However, most of the posters here continue to be blinded by their Front Office opinions or just don't really know Baseball

Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

@rico I'll be willing to eat some crow if SA gets a nice return for Colon, the more I've thought about it the less I've liked the signing. As i posted above there was a reason why Colon signed with the Mets, SA was the only GM who offered a 2nd year, other teams know it's a risk trading a "nice return" away for an over weight 40plus year old starter for the rest of this year and next. Try explaining an injury that disables him to your Boss and fan base. Only here could SA get away with it.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

how do you post a link without it going to needing approval?  (or did this go to pending?)

joe21
joe21

@grillruben  he can be moved, but the question is what is the return? I think he ends up with the Tribe or A's and what comes back depends on what cash considerations the Mets give.

joe21
joe21

@Father Dooley  at best or a higher ceiling/lower level prospect. Rentals don't usually bring back monsters and even in Beltran's case, Wheeler was in low A, so we had to wait a bit, but it was worth it.

joe21
joe21

@xplr  you are kidding, this is the final straw? clearing his payroll and unblocking young arms that are already starting to clog up is a sound baseball move. if Sandy can bring any sort of valuable haul back would be nice, but no contender looking to rent Colon is going to return a ML piece, they need all ML pieces for the run they are hoping Colon will help them make

For_Sale
For_Sale

@xplr I am the only one listening.  So if they do release him and we go to the world series next year I wont tell anyone you quit on us.

elcondor
elcondor

Not a "brazen salary dump" from the day they signed Colon most knowledgable fans knew the intention was to trade him at the deadline for prospects. It's working out as planned. A market will develop for Colon who will be a Great addition to a contending team!

joe21
joe21

@mrmet4mvp  would you be happy if they keep him and he blocks one of the younger arms? it definitely is a salary dump, but in this case, it will be a wise one. the only other dumps have been Beltran and KRod. the first brought a nice return and the second avoided a stupid vesting option, so no complaints there. ok, Buck was a salary dump, but he sucked and brought a nice return in Herrara, who arguably has had the biggest stock rise in all of the minors this year

Eamon Carty
Eamon Carty

I sure hope so. That would be some real production from short

joe21
joe21

@Albert E Lewis  too bad the Angels don't have 1 decent prospect, they emptied an already barren farm to get Street

qualcomm
qualcomm

@rstpigeon Let the Yankees have him for.... cash.  Here's an idea... Trade the desperate Yankees Gee AND Colon right now, in return they subsidize Murphy's new contract.  So they get to the playoffs, are better off next year and justify the huge payroll, we get a free All Star second baseman and have money open to go get a hitter on the free agent market this winter.  

Pat Brady
Pat Brady

@rstpigeon - Colon is going to give a team 180-200 innings, 11-14 wins. His WHIP is 1.1. He's a quality pitcher no matter how old he is. What he gives you is worth a LOT more than 5 mill. 

xplr
xplr

@joe21 @xplr Why dump him if you still expect to win this year? And if you are giving up on the season, you might as well trade him if you get a good prospect, or else wait till the off-season. If they dump him now, it will ONLY be to put money in Freddie's pocket and weaken the team. Wake up.

oswald
oswald

@Eamon Carty Not going to happen. He's essentially not a shortstop anymore. His defense is terrible. He'll probably end up moving to 3B.

Andrew Pasquale
Andrew Pasquale

@xplr @joe21 What in the world are you talking about? It's more money for Sandy to spend next off-season on a bat. This isn't a conspiracy theory...it's good move...not ideal, but a sound backup plan. If no team is willing to trade for him then we let him go...what else do you want Sandy to do? Hold him for next season and keep guys like Syndergaard and Montero down? Keep him and lessen our chance of signing a bat to replace Tejada or Chris Young? Please stop...