Opinion: The Mets are sinking like a stone

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The Mets (20-25) are now a season-worst five games under .500. They are 5-14 in May. The way I see it, to be in the hunt for a final playoff spot, they’ll need to go 67-50.

I have no idea how they intend to make this happen. I just don’t see it coming from this current roster of players, which appears to be in a constant state of transition. There are nights I feel like we’re still in Spring Training, watching players audition and working to find themselves. It’s the middle of May. That should have happened by now.


Citi Field


In fact, this type of in-flux baseball is the one goal Sandy Alderson said he was quite clear about avoiding this past winter. In November, he told reporters he did not want to get in to May still trying to establish his roster. He hoped to play most of the season with a clear picture of his team. Unfortunately, that is almost the exact opposite of what he is working with today, one week from June.

The multiple, rotating platoons… The in-and-out, undefined bullpen… The starting, back-up catchers… The in-development rotation… The mixed messages from management… They’re are all very uninspiring. I love the Mets, I’m very tuned in, I write about this team every day, yet I often have to look up the 25-man roster to remind myself who is actually on the roster.

“The outcome isn’t that cute anymore,” Jason Fry wrote today, in a post trying to assign blame for the team’s most recent failure (Faith and Fear in Flushing, May 22).

He’s right. I’ve watched and written about this story each of the last five years. I’ll always be a believer in the improbable, especially when it comes to the Mets. I have no panic about 2015, because I have unlimited trust in Matt Harvey. But, as far as 2014 is concerned, .500 is becoming more improbable every day, and I’m desperate to know how the organization plans to get this season back on track to a point that is fun again.




328 comments
Mark Vega
Mark Vega

I have no idea how a team in the largest market in the world can be such abject failure. What a mess

Traditionally, I like to stick with managers unless things are just too crazy. But Terry's gotta go. I was there Tuesday night when he's moving Eric Young to 2B, etc....all convoluted crap. He thinks too much and is wrong too often. Wally Backman is the man. It's that simple.


Edward Kline
Edward Kline

One way to interject some life into the franchise, is to bring up the kids and let em loose. With hungry players looking to prove that hey belong may be what the team needs, along with FIRING Collins and the staff. Unless the Wilpon's do something as DUMB as Sterling they aren't going ANYWHERE, UNFORTUNATELY.

Orlando Fernandez
Orlando Fernandez

2014 is still about development!!! A rather simple concept that this site sometimes gets, and mostly gets all tied up in knots over. 


And as far as unlimited trust or whatever in Harvey, better check that. He will struggle at first, and he may not be what he was exactly. Reality check. The dude isn't superman.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

Braves have gone through some seasons now where I can't remember who's on their team. The upside is their not complacent, and the scouts might give a report on them that doesn't apply because it's tougher to prepare when some players are being switched. Mets shouldn't have to resort to unpredictable rosters, but until they demonstrate they're not more eager to get stale than organic groceries, some rotation isn't the worst thing if it motivates and varies competitive strengths. 

Eamon Carty
Eamon Carty

Keep making negative comments and stories Matthew cerrone then maybe mets kick ass it's donkey wipes like u that talk crap that try bring true mets fans down. True mets fan believe. Your nothing more than a tone of crap. I can't believe u make a living off of writing garbage like u do

#LETSGOMETS

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

I said before the season began , that 81 wins would make me happy. This is still in reach. Anything less and we need a new Mgr.

Frank Tangorra
Frank Tangorra

This front office is fixated by drafts. The Wilpons have no money and think the fans should spend money on mediocrity. They handle there player problems like a dis functional family. They bash there own players and play them day after day.

Kenneth Mullins
Kenneth Mullins

I look at  this season as just a year long spring training  year .If they don't spend money in the off season . I'm sure Harvey  is going to walk !! Like the rest of the young guy"s !! You can only put up with losing  for so long ! We use to have season tickets . But gave them up a few years ago . We could n even give them away !

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

"The way I see it, to be in the hunt for a final playoff spot, they’ll need to go 67-50."

Matt, I used to think this way when I was like eight.  If the Mets were down by 10 runs, I used to tell my Mom, "but if we hit three grand slams we can win the game."

Knowing your team is mired in mediocrity is the first step toward acceptance.  Embrace it, you're a Mets fan!

tango01
tango01

What is sad is in his 4th year as GM of the Mets and I see a lot of holes on this team. I see holes at catcher,1st,SS, 2 outfielders, closer, and at least 1 more bullpen arm. So what holes did Sandy fix since his tenure here?

legs3
legs3

Sandy should be embarrassed for feeding us crap about wanting to win and not experimenting with positional players until June.  They do the direct opposite from what they say.  Did he think for a minute that signing a reclamation project like CY and a strikeout low average hitter like Granderson could solve our offensive problems.  Not to mention we still don't have a 1st baseman or SS that plays everyday.  This system never changes and Sandy has fallen into the same Wilpon trap.  Feed the fans false promises and any new faces and miracles will happen on the cheap.

Justin Cosgrove
Justin Cosgrove

There is nothing about this team that excites me. What a shame, a New York baseball team should not accept this nonsense year in and year out. The entire operation does not carry itself like a winner, and it becomes pervasive and acceptable for too long. 

Mark Rakentine
Mark Rakentine

"In fact, this type of in-flux baseball is the one goal Sandy Alderson said he was quite clear about avoiding this past winter." This is the exact reason why TC needs to be fired. Sure, the roster/talent issues may not be his fault. But come on....he changes the line-up every effing game...and he's been doing three years straight.....how can anyone get established?

thwacker
thwacker

Part of it is confidence and attitude.  Went to Colorado at 15-10 and in the 2nd game, up 6-0, TC left Mejia in for 8 runs in one inning.  Don't tell me a reliever wasn't ready - there are ways to delay - trips to the mound, even an intentional walk.  Everyone makes mistakes and I like TC in some ways but I think that was a backbreaker and they started to sink right there.  He did the same thing 2 games later up 3-0 in the 7th.  They sort of lost hope there other than the 2 games in Yankee Stadium.  Too bad.

Metsnow
Metsnow

This is why we are a bad club...with no power; no legit offense, etc.

Last night in the 9th inning...if Wright got on base TC was going to pinch hit Chris Young, our #4 clean up hitter. I have never seen the #4 batter be pinched hit for EVER!!!! How embarrassing is that?? This club is in big trouble. Maybe if no one shows up to Citi Field the Wilpons will finally realize they have to do something. Yikes.....its only May and the season is falling apart right before us.

William Richardson
William Richardson

Sorry Pat O s aren't doing any better, but we are above 500 I think.

Patrick Boegel
Patrick Boegel

I am sorry, did I miss something, but when Harvey returns in 2015, is he going to be playing two infield and two outfield positions.

Steve Clifford
Steve Clifford

not spending a $ on the mets until they spend a $ on me.. and put a championship caliber product on the field..

Ramon Bonilla
Ramon Bonilla

I'M WATCHING THE FIRST THREE INNINGS AND THEM TURN TO THE HOCKEY PLAYOFFS.THEY ARE MORE EXCITING THAN THE METS RIGHT NOW,DON'T LIKE HOCKEY THAT MUCH, BUT IS BETTER THAN THE METS. I'M BEEN A METS SINCE 1960 WHEN THEY STARTER TALKING ABOUT BRINGING A NEW TEAM TO NY.I'M SO FRUSTRUATED THIS ORG. THAT I COULD DO SOMETHING TO FIX THIS TEAM.

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

There's no guarantee that Matt Harvey will be the same pitcher coming back from Tommie John. Look at Strasburg. Good, but not great now. 

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

It's the end of May and a quick glance at the standings (and comments) would have you believe the season was over. Mets have the worst record in the majors during the month of May. Citifield is empty. The post-mortems are already being written and posted. And yet it doesn't have to be this way. Sandy should (rightfully) be held accountable for three+ years of miserable decision-making. Really, you could throw a dart and have better luck with the bullpen and free agent signings. Who could have sensed that Chris Young and Curtis Granderson would be high-strikeout/low-contact guys? How about everyone? Ditto for the unholy duo of (the now-departed and ungrateful) Farnsworth and Valverde. Plus no position player who's remotely interesting down on the farm. Anyone out there really want to see Nieuwenhuis III, Zach Lutz, Josh Satin or even Matt den Dekker? Didn't think so. The short answer is: Sandy should do everything humanly possible to acquire a decent bat. Anyone notice who is second in AL in home runs? That would be none other than Nelson Cruz. And it may finally be time to say goodbye to Terry Collins. Last night's blown DP and Murphy's continued Paganesque base-running shows that nothing is sinking-in. If things continue in this fashion Citifield will be a morgue by July.

Jim Morrison
Jim Morrison

I have tickets for all three games when the Mets come to SF. Other than that, I am done with watching them for a while. It is just too depressing and predictably lame.

I have always liked Terry. Now I think he should be fired.

metzsuc
metzsuc

As much as this team sucks, they have the worst luck or a curse. We  all know if this team signed choo he would be batting 270. right now, even though its better then 3 of our 4 outfielders. The Wilpons would have never let sandy trade Wright he is our biggest fan draw. We should have tore the whole team down fron top to bottom. Billy Beane signs free agents to 1 year deals  then mixes and matches, not sign players to 4 year deals

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

"Fun baseball" for the owners of this team has nothing to do with win-loss records or exciting play on the field.  "Fun baseball" for the Wilpons is making and/or saving money, so they've actually had a pretty fun season so far!  Released Farnsworth? $800k more in the Wilpons' pockets! WOO-HOO! Refuse to do anyting about the glaring hole at shortstop?  MILLIONS SAVED! Trade Ike Davis for nothing? Get him off the payroll, save more dollars! FUN!


PLUS, the Dodgers are looking really great this year--legitimate WS contenders!  Everything is great for the ownership of the Mets!  


The Wilpons are having a lot of fun this season--why aren't YOU, Matt?

plzselltm
plzselltm

Have not been to a game since the first exhibition game at Citi in 2009 Vs the Red Sox, and still do not see a reason to go. I can't stomach giving them a $1. Such liars from the top right on down.

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

This is what I've gotten from Sandy so far he's been a GM for the Mets, that he is a liar and doesn't know how to build a winning team.

ron3d2y
ron3d2y

We have a manager who benches our best player this year cause he is "not swinging the bat well" and we need offense not defense. That player is batting .315 with a .355 OBP right now and is arguably the best defensive CF in the game, easily top 5. Who is the great swinging offensive hitter he gets benched for? A .206 BA and .283 OBP hitter. The guy who got benched also has more extra base hits by the way. Without mentioning names or money made, would you ever bench the first guy for the second?


Then at the exact same time he says our worst player this year is "swinging the bat well" and he's back to his old self from a few years ago. That player is batting .183 with a .299 OBP and is one of the worst SS in the game, easily bottom 5. Who is this guy taking starts away from? Our only and best hitting prospect we've had for years. In the end, we've played how many games this year without our best possible team starting?


The problem is not the manager though. Its a GM who will never take a risk, he's only here to keep the Wilpons as owners and that they don't do anything stupid so Selig never has to remove them. He just sits there and does nothing when there are so many moves he could have made even with a low payroll. Plus that he's trying to force a hitting philosophy on the entire organization which I've never even heard of a GM doing before. You wanted Abreu? I can almost guarantee if they signed him they would have forced him to change the way he hits and he wouldn't have even close to the same numbers with this team. That's unbelievable to me. We have a GM who's first goal is not winning, which is why his manager is one who wouldn't have a job anywhere else in baseball. Terry isn't the cause and he's in a bad situation, but he's not helping the problem. Winning is clearly not the priority here.

gid de simone
gid de simone

this club is pathetic! starting with sandy!  

ctsteve
ctsteve

Mathew you are right on in this post.  This team is flailing.  The only detail I disagree on is your faith in the return of Matt Harvey for 2015.  One star cannot save this team.  That kind of pressure is dangerous.  Witness David "Face of the Franchise" Wright who whiffed last night in the 9th to end the game and any Mets hopes for tying the score.  Terry Collins is in psychological denial.  His post-game comments constantly focus on minor bright spots in the game--looking past the cold reality that the Mets have lost--again!  Alderson spins, the Wilpons are incommunicado and the fans can only stew.  Banner Day is this weekend....I hope they have plenty of censors at CitiField...because the slogans could be nasty.  #SinkingLikeAStone.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Billy Beane  appointed Gm of the A's Oct 1997   first full year 74-88  second year 87-75  third year 91-70 and they never had a big payroll.. in fact this years its only 74 million...yet that team wins... Even Tampas's payroll is only 81 million this year..Who cares if Sandy was his tutor? hes doing what he does better than Sandy.

mets41
mets41

@tango01 he has fixed none.  He has created more holes to fill.  the unwillingness to go out and get proven players I don't see the mets winning anything till alderson is gone along with the wilpons

thwacker
thwacker

@Metsnow Why is CY batting cleanup?  He's hitting .200!! They promised him a lot of AB's for him to sign.  Might have to break that promise, Chris, if you don't start contributing.

tango01
tango01

@Patrick Boegel  Exactly! People think Havey will pitch in 2015 and all of a sudden this team will learn to hit. He pitched last year and we still lost.

ken1010
ken1010

@Patrick Boegel  Exactly right.

Dickey won 20 games and a Cy Young.  Maybe Harvey will.  But that didn't mean a winning record when Dickey did it with this team.

thwacker
thwacker

@Steve Clifford They spent on Grandy  - 15 million/yr, Chris Young - 7 million, Colon - 5 million.  All pretty much busts.  You have to spend it riight!

Starz31
Starz31

@Leif Granlind  Yeah, but that's the least of our problems, to be honest.

This team is being built around pitching and the starting pitching will be a strength next year, with or without Harvey.

It's always going to be about the offense with this team. 

Rich Anderson
Rich Anderson

@Jim Morrison I assume you live in the Bay Area? I'm heading west to SF for all 3 games for my annual road trip- my friends petitioned to do it earlier in June (rather than mid-late summer) so the games "would still mean something." I guess next year I'll have to go early April! And yes- I too have become tired of Terry cloth.

ken1010
ken1010

@ron3d2y  You are right about the priorities.

Buzzwords rule, like at many other large companies.  Organizational hitting philosophy (Bobby Abreau fits better than Jose Abreu), hunting strikes (everyone waiting for the perfect pitch and getting behind in the count), getting value for money (don't sign Hawkins, not worth $3m), these are the apparent priorities over winning.  

Consultants will tell you that all the buzzwords lead to winning, and that's how you run a professional organization.  I've seen buzzwords destroy companies in the corporate world too.  I've also seen decisive risk-taking leaders who understand their business build great companies.  Too bad that's not what we have here.

ken1010
ken1010

@ctsteve  Dickey won 20 games and a Cy Young.  Suppose Harvey does that.  Dickey's great effort still didn't lead to a winning season, and Harvey's won't either with this team.

@Victor Triguero  

The Rays are also in a tiny market. There is a small population to draw from as well as the apatrhy among the fan base. 


If the Wilpons showed a little good faith by investing in some real players, they have a great market with fans who are anything but apathetic. Just see how many Comments are in this blog, as an example!


But they're much much too shortsighted to do something that actually makes business sense.


Katz wanted to sell and take the profit, but Fred wants to hold on so his incompetent son has something to play with in his life. Them selling would have been the answer to all of our prayers!

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Victor Triguero  Not that I am defending SA because lord knows I'm not. But in order to be like the Rays you have to have the minor league system which continually replenish the major league roster. Both position and pitching. The pitching is almost there if not already but not the position players yet. That does take time. The Rays didn't get here overnight. It was years of bad teams, high draft picks and then growth from within

Mike
Mike

@Starz31 @Leif GranlindI wonder if there are any more mediocre outfielders named Young that they can sign for next year

zoddie
zoddie

@Tarheel11 @Victor TrigueroExactly.  The Rays bottomed out - they got tons of very high draft picks and were able to build a very good farm system.  The Mets are in the midst of doing that.  Look at their minor league records - they're all pretty good.


Inheriting an old, bloated 79-win team is actually worse than inheriting a 69-win team.  Sandy needed time to do a tear-down.