Opinion: Sandy Koufax, conspiracy theories and saving Terry Collins

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Terry Collins is good friends with legendary pitcher Sandy Koufax, who is also good friends with Fred Wilpon.

According to team reporter Mike Puma, “An industry source indicated that firing Collins could create an uncomfortable situation for Wilpon, who is tight with Koufax from their days growing up together in Brooklyn.” (NY Post, June 10)

This seems like a stretch to me. Unless the industry source has the last name of Wilpon, this report should be taken with a grain of salt. It’s interesting to debate, but it shouldn’t interpreted as something that is definite to happen.

The sourcing and context isn’t going to matter, though. Puma’s line of text feeds right in to a long-running narrative that lots of fans buy in to and blame for the team’s failures.


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I understand why some fans reach and buy into conspiracy theories to try and make sense of what has been a very, very difficult time to be a Mets fan. Back-to-back collapses and five-straight years under .500, plus the constant mixed messages, financial and medical news, the lack of wins and seeming aimlessness, all combine to put fans in a position to no longer know who or what to believe, and I’m often among them.

I’m fortunate enough to have front row seats to much of what goes on with this team. I know what I see, I know what I hear and I recognize that these two things don’t always match up. The Mets will not be happy about Puma’s report and I know they’re not happy with how suspicious fans are about their actions, but I hope they can understand where it comes from and why, which is this: We all want to have fun watching the Mets win.

That’s it. That’s the start and the end of it all. Get to that point, and most all of the fear, anger and paranoia will go away…




163 comments
ShawnP
ShawnP

Wilpons #1 Enemy>Mets Fans


Pathetic Wilpons,absolutely pathetic!


Act like you give a sheet about us fans who have been suffering for years and maybe we wouldn't be so "suspicious"of you morons!

Ben Rafelson
Ben Rafelson

Seriously, can someone find me a picture of Fred Wilpon where he DOESN'T look like Dracula? Given how they've sucked the life out of this franchise i'm starting to wonder...

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

They're not happy with how fans are suspicious of their actions? Well that's too f'in bad. Spend money and make the team better and then you won't have to worry about what the fans think cause well all be happy. I've never seen an idea so flawed in my life. They think they should be rewarded with ticket sales before they do anything to the team? That's not the way it works. Put a semi decent product on the field and you'll see ticket sales go up

legs3
legs3

Who could manage this band of misfits any better.  Do you seriously think Wally could win with this present lineup?  The bullpen is great and then it is not.  David hits for a month and then disappears.  Grandy gets a few singles and walks and he's worth 14mil $.  Duda plays first like his shoes have cement in them.  Murphy gets hits and stays on base as the rest of the lineup hasn't a clue what an RBI is.  You expect 200 hitters to drive in runs consistently.  How is Grandy protecting David.  What pitcher fears pitching against Grandy ,Young, Recker, Tejada and who ever is hitting lead off today?

Sal
Sal

and I know they’re not happy with how suspicious fans are about their actions"


Are we in trouble?

George Komninakis
George Komninakis

If this 6 game losing streak was at home instead of the road, and the few fans who actually are dumb enough to go to citi field began chanting We Want Backman,  would Collins have been fired by now?

selldamets
selldamets

Well, basically, they introduced him to their investment manager and now they want to fire his friend. How did a winner like Sandy Koufax wind up with such a loser as a friend as Fred Wilpon?

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

If this is true, which I truly believe it's not, but if it is... What a sad, pathetic organization. Their top priority is to not hurt anyone's feelings...?

eric88
eric88

The Payroll is currently 78.5 after cutting all the Vets, Ike, Farns, Valverde etc. They will get down to 60 to 65 after the July trade deadline.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

So the wilpons can't fire Collins bc there friends w sandy Koufax who is friends with Collins? This is joke right. Ok good. I thought it was serious.

mi
mi

yea were suspicious ..79 mil payroll and going to be cut more

marcbklyn
marcbklyn

It was much tougher being a Mets fan in the mid to late 70s. Lorinda De Roulet and M. Donald Grant traded the Franchise, initially refused to sign free agents, and later decided to sign Eliot Maddox as the Mets first. I can still hear the Yankee-fan classmate with the locker next to mine asking me about my "scrub Mets." The Mets were Jerry Koosman (until he was dealt for Jesse), Craig Swan, Lee Mazilli, and a bunch of guys who belonged on the bench or in AAA.

Doubleday
Doubleday

I kind of hate to say it this way, but Joan Payson was twice the man Fred Wilpon is, as the owner of this team.  Mrs. Payson would NEVER point a finger at the fans.  It's repulsive.

rustysribs
rustysribs

"I know they're unhappy with how suspicious Mets fans are about their actions".  So...what are they doing about it then? Adding fuel to the fire? I'm unhappy about their inactions too.

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

Doesn't sound like a happy atmosphere...unhappy ballplayers are never good...

John Ericson
John Ericson

"I know they're unhappy with how suspicious Mets fans are about their actions".  I'm not suspicious at all.  They just make bad decisions.  Constantly and at every turn.   It's a simple as that.  

Mets0987
Mets0987

If you think about it the Mets didn't spend money this offseason. The money that came off the books, they just signed a couple players to make it back to the same payroll .

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

While we're on conspiracy theories I'd like to know exactly WHO has those incriminating photos of the Wilpons which allow an inept manager and GM to keep their jobs.

legs3
legs3

Why since 1962 am I having such a tough time being a Met fan?  Because for the first time the fans are being blamed for having no income to support spending money.  When does anger and frustration turn into irrelevancy.  If this team keeps pissing fans off with their double talk and  talk about the future if fans come and spend money then we will be able to spend money for better players.  Okay Fred, Sandy & Jeff if I go to a restaurant and the food sucks the chance of me going back is probably not going to happen.  If they advertise new management and Chef then I will give it another chance.  You have been putting a AAA team on the field for the better part of 3 years with no improvement.  You say you have no financial restrictions but continue to spend on reclamation projects or players that don't fit your plan.  Give me the name Sandy of a free agent that has been a total success in his prime that you have signed.  This team will soon fall into Irrelevancy with most fans and you will really see what financial freedom you will have.  Give us the number of people sitting in the seats at every game as this season spirals out of control.  Keep in mind you are 5 1/2 games out.  It is still early but this team never seems to cease the moment and the fans expect the same old.

mrfurley
mrfurley

who gives two flyin dumps what koufax has to say about the mets?

Gary Scarpulla
Gary Scarpulla

It's Wally Backman time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eric88
eric88

@George Komninakis The people who go to games are going for the experience. Some of the don't even no or care what's going on. The real fans that go are dumb, you are correct.

Dan Waters
Dan Waters

Yea you call other people morons and then come out with something as stupid as let's sign Kemp. Kemp is washed up and not what we need here.

gpopper
gpopper

The dark days of the evil kingdom, how well I remember. De Roulette didn't want anything to do with the Mets and Grant was furnishing his tomb. Still, today isn't any better and in so many ways worse. At least, in hindsight, better days were coming back then. Shouldn't be a chore to be a Mets fan.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@marcbklyn Yep.  I remember going to some games at Shea, paying $1.50 for upper deck general admission, and sitting in box seats because there were only about 1200 fans in the park, so they never even opened the stadium above the upper box seats.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@rustysribs Did they think the fan base would gloss over the fact that the Wilpons were in bed with the Maddoffs?  We're loyal.  We're not stupid.  Of course we're suspicious.

Mex_17_for_HOF
Mex_17_for_HOF

@Kenneth Meltsner  It's a picture of Jeffy with Mickey Mouse ears on Space Mountain with Fred throwing up next to him. TC took it a couple of days before Manuel was fired.

selldamets
selldamets

@Gary Scarpulla Wally Backman will never be the manager of the Mets under this regime. They don't hire men with their own opinions who might be loose cannons. They hire Art Howe, Willie Randolph, and Terry Collins. Bobby Valentine was the last manager the Mets had who voiced an opinion and had thoughts of his own, and the Mets fired him because the GM made awful choice after awful choice. Sound familiar?

jsecurity
jsecurity

They know it and we know it.

eric88
eric88

@Steven Matregrano @eric88 Why are you being a jerk, what did I say thet you disagree with?

Mark Rakentine
Mark Rakentine

@Dan Waters Kemp is not worth that many Mets prospects at this point in his career...unless the deal includes his contract is being paid by LA

robby
robby

@eric88 @Steven Matregrano I agree with you eric.  What world is Steve living in the Yankee world!?  Wilpons are so cheap that they need a coupon to get a bargain.  Coupon Wilpon.  The Mets will only get has beens that is there trend.  So wake up Steve. Or as Francesa would say,  "YOU MUST BE OUTTA YOUR MIND!  WHAT ARE YOU A MORON!!!?

Doubleday
Doubleday

@marcbklyn Willie Montainez, Lenny Randle, the return of Tim Foli, Lee Mazzilli, and the numb skulls they got for Seaver.  Fine times, indeed.

gpopper
gpopper

Appears they are not too happy with him

gpopper
gpopper

There's a moderator and he answered with the guidelines. They are basic guidelines and he has leeway in what's considered inappropriate. One thing he said was disagreeing is fine, attacking the author is not. Don't know what you posted but he evidently took,exception with it for some reason.

Mets0987
Mets0987

He told you to look at the guidelines but he didn't say nothing else.

theglider
theglider

This was the post...

My posts keep coming up as "pending." Anyone know why and what I can do about it?

That was it. And that got flagged??