Opinion Post: Is it time to go for it, or stay the course?

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The Mets are three games under .500 on June 5, but just four losses back of the first-place Braves and three losses back of the final Wild Card.

In previous seasons, the second Wild Card team typically won at least 89 games. However, with the current state of parity in the National League, and with so many teams hovering around .500, 84 to 87 wins could realistically get a team into the postseason this year.

This type of opportunity does not come around everyday, and rarely comes with warning, Joel Sherman says about the Mets in his most recent column (NY Post, June 5). However, he adds, “when it comes, seize it, capitalize upon it.”


Sandy


In Sherman’s view, Alderson should not miss this opportunity to be proactive and push for the playoffs, and “ownership needs to stop talking about the money it is willing to spend and open wallets.”

It’s a nice sentiment. I don’t disagree with Sherman. I like what he’s saying in concept, which is, “go for it.” The thing is, I just don’t know what this actually means, in reality, here on June 4.

In time, I expect to hear rumors connecting the Mets to players on the Dodgers, Rays, Arizona and Oakland. These teams have outfielders and middle infielders that fit well with what the Mets are trying to do (long- and short-term). Of course, these teams are going to want some combination of Noah Syndegraard, Zack Wheeler, Jacob deGrom, Rafael Montero, Kevin Plawecki and Travis d’Arnaud, among others.

I would love to see the Mets shock everyone and get to October. However, the last thing I want to see is a repeat of 2004, when — just six games back of the NL East-leading Braves — the Mets traded several prospects to better compete down the stretch, only to fall short of the playoffs and regret the deals they made.


My point is this: Banging fists on desks, typing on a keyboard and demanding improvements is a lot easier than actually getting a team to deal a good, impactful player in early June, especially in a league where the playoff door is wide open to almost everyone. I mean, as a barely-.500 team, if the Mets can be proactive and improve by trade, it stands to reason a lot of other  teams probably feel they can do the same. It’s going to be a difficult market to manipulate. I agree this is a golden opportunity to create a genuine playoff run, I just think that’s easier said than done.

In the end, I’m probably gun shy, timid and hesitant to make a deal that, if it works will be great, but if it doesn’t, it resets the last few years of pain and sets the franchise back – for nothing. I don’t envy Alderson’s position. But, he was hired to be ‘the adult in the room,’ and it’s time to make some big-boy decisions.




247 comments
steve333
steve333

Duda/Wheeler/D'Arnaud/Tejada/Flores


For Goldschmidt and Owings.

I would even throw in another starter like Gee

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

What it boils down to is do the Mets make a trade at the deadline or not? Its a seller's market in July. If they want a bat it will cost more at the trade deadline than during the offseason. Mets might have to include an extra player or two that they would not have had to if they want a bat to make a run. Like if you wanted to get Stanton now he might cost Wheeler, Montero, and Meija but wait until October and you might get him for just two of the three. Is it worth losing an extra arm to play another 9 innings of baseball? Probably not, but then again the fan base has been suffering for so long. Tough call

semperfi
semperfi

Surprised at how many are talking about Arizona giving up Goldschmidt which will never happen, Kemp from the Dodgers can happen but with risk and a lot of $ or probably a safer bet would be to go after Cuddyer which gives us immediate legit bat in the middle of the lineup for the rest of the year and maybe next giving Nimmo and Conforto a couple of years to develop and replace Cuddyer, Colorado has the most OF depth in MLB and can afford to give him up for a pitcher or 2.

upstater
upstater

I wonder what he is smoking. Go for it? Has he been watching this team play????

Dave Rodriguez
Dave Rodriguez

This lineup is proof that you CAN have too much pitching.

kwmets78
kwmets78

tams is right, it was a good read, but with a title of "opinion post" i'm having trouble deciphering your opinion, Matt

Casey Harden
Casey Harden

Sandy should at least call the Dodgers to ask about Matt Kemp. Not sure there's a match, but you still have to go the due diligence route and make the call to gauge what it takes. The Dodgers may be willing to pick up a majority of the contract just to unload him. It  may be addition by subtraction with four starting OF's and only 3 positions. It couldn't hurt to make that call.

Mikey J Vega
Mikey J Vega

Hasn't it been time to go for it? How much longer do we have to wait for them to go for it?

Justin Kaiser
Justin Kaiser

Our payroll should be 150 million. We should be in the mix to sign Hanley Ramirez. We should have a more hitter friendly park... the way I see it, with the way New York media eats struggling hitters alive, we should have a place where they can get a few easy homeruns. It's not like we are a small market club where line drives cut it all the time; this may sound like excuses, but with this media, I just hate the idea of a small ball club.

manicmesia
manicmesia

Go for it by renting an older player/free agent to be? No.  Go for it by keeping Colon if he's pitching well, and trading for a big bat who will be in the plans for this year and years to come?  Absolutely yes.

Michael Zvirblis
Michael Zvirblis

How many guys are hitting .2OO? That's major league hitting? Please....

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

Hey Matt, maybe you should ask that right direction/wrong direction poll question now....

JoMama
JoMama

Can we find another diamond in the rough for $7.5M? Maybe sign THAT GUY in Nov so he can hit below the Mendoza all year. Point being: nothing Sandy does is thought out or intelligent. He could be the worst GM in MLB. 

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

This team is more than one piece away from making a legitimate playoff run.  The Mets currently lack a quality major-league starter at First Base, Shortstop, Left Field, and possibly Catcher.  Add to that the severe talent deficit in the bullpen and it's clear that this team's problems cannot be overcome by just adding one new bat.  I'd hate to trade away good young players for a rental who won't make that much difference anyway.  As much as I want to see the Mets actually become watchable this year, I know that rationally it makes more sense to stand pat--but this approach would require significant upgrades during the upcoming offseason.

TheJMan
TheJMan

why does going out and making a a good move only have to for this year?


why can't we get a guy that will produce for 5 years?


going "for it" should extend beyond September -- this team needs help

Andy Carey
Andy Carey

Trade some starters go get a bat. We have pitching for days. Make a move. Didn't sandy say this was the year?

Kyle Tompkins
Kyle Tompkins

The can win the Wild Card with just a Little Addition to the Offense.  Why can't they go get a 1-year rental and push for it this season, and Not give up too much??


JOSH WILLINGHAM!  The guy has 1-year left on his deal, wont' cost the big prospect pieces and will provide great Offensive benefits in LF.


You want to get another guy from them, add another mid-tier prospect and get the catcher Suzuki.  He can split time with d'Arnaud.


Neither of these moves will cost us important Prospects.


DO It SANDY!

theglider
theglider

The only pieces we have to trade is pitching, so who will it be?

Harvey, Gee and Hefner are all injured. Colon is 41 and getting a big salary next year. Wheeler and deGrom aren't proven and Niese is our only lefty. So what do we do?

Casey Harden
Casey Harden

The Mets will have to make a move for offensive talent if they plan on competing anytime soon, whether it's before the trade deadline or after the season. I don't have a problem trading some youth, but the entire problem in '04 was that a top prospect was traded for a middle of the road player. That they can't do.

Steven Glansberg
Steven Glansberg

When the season started I was hesitant to trade syndergaard and company because of the potential he has.. but this offense is so bad that we need a legit superstar bat.. It is literally unwatchable right now, yet somehow I keep tuning in.. they need to make a move, even if it means overpaying a little

RealHVargas
RealHVargas

@robertbrender I agree to But I just hope of there is a trade to be made that Sandy pulls trigger and doesn’t say well let’s wait until 2015

Doubleday
Doubleday

Last week, Sandy Alderson stood in front of a room of reporters and said, "We're close."  If he really thinks that's true, he'll make a deal to put us over the top to win.  If not, it was more hot air.  Go ahead - put Wilpon's money where your mouth is, Sandy.

lloydbraun
lloydbraun

Thor/Wheeler, Gee (when healthy), DeGrom/Montero, Pawlecki

for

Goldschmidt.

Do you do it?  Do the D'Backs do it?

dooley
dooley

If a trade package centered around Jon Niese could have landed us Justin Upton, then he could also realistically land us Joc Pederson (and probably more). We missed on Upton, Myers, Abreu, and can ill afford to miss again. This is a move that would make sense whether you are a buyer or seller

dave42
dave42

Before you decide whether or not you want to go for it, perhaps we'd better look at who might be available as an "impact bat".  By my estimation, there are three guys who might be had - Goldschmidt, who will cost a ton (or two), Kemp, who will cost only to the extent that the Dodgers have to take back $60mil+ in contract, or a lesser-known name like Michael Brantley (hitting .308/.371/.495 with 9 HR and 8 SB in his 27-year old season).  Given that Cleveland is .500 they're probably not selling anyway.  Could Rizzo be had?  Alex Gordon?  Good players, but probably not difference makers. 


That dearth of big hitters is why it is, was and will be such a shame we didn't make a run at Abreu (the young one). 


Kemp is intriguing to me because you could make a case for including Colon in that trade - say Colon, CYoung, Flores, Montero and Matz for Kemp and $50mil. 


Goldschmidt we'd probably have to give up Plawecki, Nimmo, Matz, Montero just to get started.  Rizzo, at 24 and just starting to figure things out, could be a piece the Cubs might move for multiple prospects, say three of those four? 

Casey Harden
Casey Harden

I do realize there is health concerns, which is why I would not want to give a lot to get him, but I still feel you make the call.

upstater
upstater

@718kidd their trade value is already down. It's obvious they will never be top-tier talent. Last year this time the consensus was that they would be.

Wayne Labenda
Wayne Labenda

That never happens. Look at next years free agents. Anyone good will be snatched up by yanks, dodgers, etc. leaving mets with no one with their awful budget.

dooley
dooley

Brewers are doing really well for not having a southpaw in their rotation, and Matz could be up by next year

Steven Glansberg
Steven Glansberg

@theglider Whoever is willing to trade is going to want one or two of these three: Wheeler, Syndergaard, and Montero... pick your poison, either way a trade needs to get done at the trading deadline or in the offseason.. will eventually not have one or 2 of these 3 arms

dave42
dave42

@lloydbraun  If I'm Arizona, I'd want offense and pitching.  I'd ask for Flores, Nimmo, Thor, Matz and Montero.

theglider
theglider

And Recker can pitch for us.

dave42
dave42

@dooley  I think the Dodgers might be interested in Flores for Pederson - say Flores and Montero? 

dooley
dooley

I think it would take at least 2 blue chip prospects to get the conversation started for Goldschmidt (organizations want quality, not quantity). Probably Thor, Wheeler, Plawecki, +1. That is a really tough decision, but he is a MVP type player

TheJMan
TheJMan

@dave42


i wouldn't give up any prospects for Kemp -- we''ll take more money on and his baggage -- they have to take some money off our hands

dooley
dooley

My guess is they would not be interested in Montero, but would be all over Niese (win now mode). If they can't get Samardijza or Price for Pederson, then we become their next target.

dave42
dave42

@Jerry Colfer  Not sure Kemp's baggage is fair.  If we can get him for $10mil a year for the next 5 years, and give him a full-time job in LF, I think it's worth a shot.  Maybe I'm giving up too much?  He's a 500% improvement over our current LF options even if he only does what he's doing now.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@Michael Fichera @NewYorkMehts @robertbrender @The7Line Meh, the season is still young.  Citi Field will be a ghost town by late July, and I'll bet that this year's attendance totals ultimately come in lower than last year's.


The growing disengagement of once-loyal Mets fans cannot be ignored.

dave42
dave42

@TheJMan @dave42 @Jerry Colfer  we are.  I believe Kemp is a good guy (remember how he gave the uniform off his back to the kid with cancer last year?) who wants very much to play and win, two things he hasn't been able to do in LA.  Remember, Paul O'Neill was regarded as a malcontent in Cincy.  Sometimes guys just get into the wrong situation. 

TheJMan
TheJMan

@dave42 @TheJMan @Jerry Colfer

Here is just last week -- I can spend a day on his attitude and other things if you want:

... to former starting centerfielder Matt Kemp, who has been buried on the bench for most of the past week due to his declining defense.



http://mlb.si.com/2014/05/28/los-angeles-dodgers-outfield-matt-kemp-carl-crawford-andre-ethier-yasiel-puig/

in other words NO PROSPECTS--- we already have a $60 million loser who plays marginal defense and well.. can't hit and his name is Curtis Granderson 

dave42
dave42

@TheJMan @dave42 @Jerry Colfer  So "no" on Kemp.  That leaves, by my count, two impact bats that might be available, both 1B - Goldschmidt or Rizzo.  Are those the guys that will put us over the top?


In my opinion, Goldy might be that kind of bat.  Turns 27 later this year, better career numbers on the road than at home (.975 career Road OPS).  You want to give up those guys (plus) to get him?