Opinion: It’s time to take stock — again — in August, September

miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: The Mets just dropped two of three to the NL East-leading Nationals, they’re 9-11 since the All Star break, seven games under .500 and eight games back in the loss column for a playoff spot. They have 47 games left in the season.

They’ll need to 34-13 to make it to October.

However, the more likely scenario is more of the same and finishing around 78 wins. This would be a few more wins than last year, but roughly the number as when Sandy Alderson and Terry Collins took over.


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Nevertheless, the Mets appear on the verge of announcing a contract extension for Alderson beyond his 2015 option (Newsday, Aug. 7). And Collins, who signed an extension a year ago, is under contract through next season for roughly $1 million (MLB.com, Aug. 8), with a team option for 2016.

“At this point, Collins deserves the rest of the season,” says columnist Mike Vacarro (NY Post, Aug. 8), though he feels Terry may be better served next season in a player development role like he had with the Mets before becoming their manager.

I’m beginning to tilt toward Vaccaro’s thinking, even though I don’t necessarily think the losing is Terry’s fault. At the very least, I’d like to learn more about Wally Backman, as well as other possible managerial replacements that could be available this winter.


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Look, I like Terry’s energy. He seems to be a smart baseball guy who knows the game and is supposedly great with motivating young kids. However, if the Mets are going to continue to win games on the margins (given the type of team Alderson is building) they’re going to need a much better tactician at the helm, not just a motivator. And speaking of his “motivational skills,” I’m concerned with the amount of lackadaisical play of a late. The team looks hurried, often unfocused, like they’re pressing and down.

Yes, I’m strictly using the eye-test. And I don’t know exactly what is going on inside their heads. I suppose I could also be projecting on to the team my own internal fight with apathy. In years past, I was far more trusting of how the players and roster were being managed. However, after a possible sixth-straight losing season, with a playoff run seemingly impossible, and with a roster and pitching on the verge of being very good, it’s time to start paying more attention to the people in charge.




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1345rmw
1345rmw

I say it the owner fault .end of story

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

Here's my take no matter what happens we Mets fan know that the farm system is better then it was way before. I believe that the players the teams are producing especially the pitching prospects are the envy of most major league ball club. With the pitching prospect and the pitching we have now this team is 2 players removed from the World Series. The way the NL east is the Mets maybe the team of the future. Especially when it's rivals had depleted it's farm systems like the Philly's and Atlanta and so on. I believe with the right trade and right players, I'm talking about good non cancer players and a balance of prospect hitters like Matt Den Dekker, Matt Reynolds, Plawecki and so on and with key veteran players it's possible the NY Mets can be in the play offs for the next 5-10 years if possible. I just hope no, I must believe that this team is going on the right path.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

I have been very harsh on SA but you can't say the guy isn't intelligent. Very smart guy. Not talking about baseball right now, just in general. My feeling is SA was lied to about the financial mess by the Wilpons when he was hired. 

SA is a very cautious, calculated man. You see that even when he speaks. Every word he speaks is calculated. Yet look at how many times he got into trouble initially when he kept changing the payroll number. First it was going to be 140, then it was 120 then it was 110 etc. 

My point is he's too smart of a guy to put numbers out there that he wasn't sure of. He's not an idiot. You don't get Harvard Law on your resume by being an idiot. My impression is that he was sold a bill of goods by the Wilpons. They are the ones who have proven to be liars. 

Now SA's philosophies and baseball decisions are a whole different ball game. But I think he is handcuffed on a continuing basis more than we know by the Wilpons. 

My opinion is that before he reups he's going to want to sit down with Fred and get some more definitive answers about the state going forward. Good luck with that Sandy, lord knows Fred has proven to be a liar.  

krayzie
krayzie

Well said, man, well said.

jsecurity
jsecurity

I would like to know what is considered the bar for success for SA and TC. What is the justification for extending SA's contract? Won/Loss? $7.5MM CY, who hasn't hit higher then .240 in years? Grandy $15MM for 4 yrs? Not getting a bat before the deadline after the team wins 8 out of 10 before the ASG to put them in the playoff mix?

What is the justification for not firing TC months ago? Won / Loss? Consistency in lineups? Handling of Pitchers? Decisions on Ike / Duda that took a year? Decisions on a bullpen that took years? How he has handled the young players? Imagine how most of the players feel seeing CY being run out there everyday, batting 5th and knowing he was going 0 for 4. Getting his team ready to play everyday? Winning 8 out of 10 before the ASG then coming out flat after? In- game management? ...

What would a real board of directors do with SA and TC?

elcondor
elcondor

Off topic. Granderson put on waiver list. Can the Tigers be interested in a reunion?

Jimmy
Jimmy

Can we trade in our 4 GMs for 1 new GM first? Preferably one that doesn't stick his nose in the Lineup card every day? A GM that is actually skilled at controlling the 25-Man Roster, and knows when to cut lost causes.

Then, we can hire a new Manager.

New GM + New Manager = Mets make Playoffs in 2015

John John
John John

By the way, Matt, we've been criticizing the people managing this team for 5 years now. Glad that after a sixth consecutive losing season, you finally noticed.  This is why I don't come to this site, for it's spot on analysis and insight.  We need more voices forcing change to the Mets, not another pandering shill.

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

What other managerial candidates are out there besides Wally?  Off the top of my head I really can't think of any.

John John
John John

What world does Matt Cerone live in, and what team has he been watching?  The players HATE Terry Collins, from Niese to Gee to Wright to Tejada, etc.  He does not know how to develop players, even though we are supposedly rebuilding, he burns out bullpen arms, plays struggling veterans over the young kids with potential, and every single game he makes a boneheaded move that leaves everyone scratching their head.  He sucks.  He has always sucked.  He should never have been extended.  What team is Matt watching that he thinks this guy is a baseball mind?

matmil
matmil

First they need to can the Chris Young experiment then try to get as many contact hitters as you can in the lineup a long with as much speed as you can. Then maybe we can start winning some of these low scoring games.

semperfi
semperfi

Collins is a nice guy and not making a lot of $, has been loyal to SA while managing a team that everyone knew was not a playoff team, having said that, he has served his purpose and now should be repositioned within the organization in a role that he brings value to, he is not the right guy to manage this team next year into the playoffs and they will have the pitching staff to make the playoffs for years to come, SPs and RPs, the entire staff will be top notch, a new coach with a winning pedigree is what we need along with a new SS and new OFer that can hit, I'd go all out on Tulo and we have the pieces to get him and we can afford him, wish they would give denDekker full time chance the rest of the season to see if he has figured it out, looks like he has cut down on his swing, hitting les Hrs but BA is highest in AAA plus has more overall extra base hits then Dodgers top AAA prospect, give him the everyday job, he has earned it, if it does not work out, make offseason trade or pickup free agent OF

Richard Thomas
Richard Thomas

My take on TC is this....he's not the problem.  He's also not the solution!!!  TC is best served in player development roles. NO ONE should be surprised @ Collins record. It's virtually the same EVERY where he has managed....here, LAA, and Houston. A 3-4 year stop gap, motivational, great at handling younger guys, what I would call a AAAA level manager.  He'll get your team most of the way up the mountain...but can't quite get you over the top.  To quote the great Bill Parcells....."You are what your record says you are. Period."  In my opinion, TC should finish the season. After that, find out what it would take to get Joe Maddon (best Mgr. in MLB) away from Tampa Bay. Not successful at that...try to get Gardenhire from Minny. Both of those guys get the most from the least. Backman would be my third choice.

matmil
matmil

I would agree with you but it depends on who they pick up this winter. They have to shy away from these strikeout kings they have been getting. More speed better hitters in general.

matmil
matmil

The thing to do then is not to go after the superstars. With this pitching they can compete with more speed and better contact hitters in order to win the low scoring games. Then once they are competing they can sell more tickets then worry about a bigger payroll.

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@Tarheel11  Do you think the Mets would be better off without the Wilpons as owners? I heard Donald Trump wants to buy the team. How many people thinks that Donald Trump may do a better job then the Wilpon?

Bob Giacalone
Bob Giacalone

@elcondor Didn't hear this. I don't think it's true...and if it were, what GM has a below average IQ who would take him?

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@Jimmy  At this moment I rather see the entire 51st team players in NY with Wally as Manager at this time then this team!!!

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@Jimmy  Keith Hernandez for manager!!!! He seems to know the players and their capabilities and their hitting better then TC!!!

Jimmy
Jimmy

Davey Johnson?

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

I wonder why Ray Knight left managing.  Heard him on the Mets pre-game radio show yesterday and he sounded knowledgeable and personable.  We know he has some fire in his veins.  He was saying nice things about Fred Wilpon and I wondered if he was buttering him up for a potential job in the organization.

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@semperfi  Trade Gee, Niese, Langares, Flores and Neweinheis for Tulowitsky. You'll have Syndrgaard, Wheeler, Harvey, deGrom, Colon and Montero in line up. Release C and E Young have Grundy LF, Den Dekker CF RF Free Agent-Brown-Campbell platoon.

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@Richard Thomas  So TC had a losing career is that what your saying. Losing begets losing. Wally had a winning career, winning begets winning and he's in the organization, but oh we don't like him anyways!!!

Richard Thomas
Richard Thomas

@Bob Giacalone @elcondor I know who'll take him. D'Backs will. Their GM signed Oliver Perez @ the beginning of the season. Not to a minor league contract...not to a 1 year Major League contract...but to a 2 YEAR MAJOR LEAGUE CONTRACT!!!  And they drug test the players??? 

elcondor
elcondor

Terry, amongst much confusion, has claimed Curtis. Sandy is going crazy!

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

@Ronald Anthony Diaz @Jimmy  Keith would never manage.  He's enjoying a life that is relatively stress-free.  Besides I can't see him being good with talking to the media, or even relating to today's ballplayer.

Jimmy
Jimmy

I would love to see Keith managing the Mets, but he can barely make half the games as a commentator. Don't think Keith would ever make the commitment.

First and foremost, I think the Wilpons need to go find a young, new GM. Someone who is really looking to make an impression. Sandy and his staff can build a Farm, but they can't build a contender.

After we get a new GM, I would hope Wally gets the nod, since he knows all the young players on the current team. It would make for an easier transition with the new GM.

Fingers crossed.

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@borsh13  Here is my point I give you this SA is very good a rebuilding a minor league team as for rebuilding a major league ball club he gets an F. He traded good pieces of the puzzle by trade Beltran for Wheeler. He gets D'Arnaud and Syndergaard for RA Dickey and Trades Byrd for Black and Herrera and so on. What does he do release Baxter and Turner for nothing, both doing great for the other teams. Pagan get traded for an unknown and he does an outstanding job and help win a world series for SF and Reyes is not sign we get nothing back for him. He seems to have a farm come up do great a major league level and when the time is right he trades them for a minor leaguer when it suits him. When the rebuilding going to start???

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@borsh13 SA all he did was get rid of Reyes, Pagan, Baxter and Turner. Brought in Granderson, E. and C. Young how's that for rebuilding? Looks like to me we had the two players prior for winning but we let them go. Reyes at SS and Pagan in the OF... 

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@borsh13  He's not and you'll see. He'll buy has bins if they do great he trades them for prospect it's his pattern!!! 

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@alphaq @Ronald Anthony Diaz @borsh13  What I was trying to say he doesn't keep the player that develops from the minor to majors he trades them for prospects and seems to get free agent players like Grandy and E. C. Young if you know what I mean.

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@borsh13  Wheeler we got for Beltran and Sydergaard for RA Dickey and your point is. Yes he knows how to build a minor league team as to build a major league nooo!!!!

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@borsh13  Yes you'll see next season the team will not improve he have the same pattern. He'll bring up Syndergaard and Montero will have Colon by mid season trade will get a mediocre free agent if he does well in by midseason will trade them if not place them on Waivers. Like he did with Grandy. NO rebuilding 2015 will be a bust also!!!

jsecurity
jsecurity

@borsh13. I agree that he has done some good things. But not enough to warrant an extension.. He could, and should have, done something before the trade deadline to improve the team. This could have been a year where we contended. CY was a very poor gamble for $7.5MM. We should have given up on him two months ago. The bullpen issue was not addressed in a timely manner. TC is not the answer. Where I come from the captain of the ship gets the credit when things go well but gets the blame when they don't. I think you would agree things are not going very well at the major league level.

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@borsh13  Look you got me wrong I been a Mets fan since I first World series in Brooklyn NY 1969. I love the Mets I'm not a fan of SA I wish we had Duquette back. I just don't like what he doing and as a soldier I'm trained to see a pattern here and I do see one and I hope I'm wrong. He's more of a short term fixer upper then a long term. I want to see this team succeed but I don't think he's going about the right way and that's just an opinion!!

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@borsh13  I hope you right for our team sake. I just have a gut feeling and after 7 combat tours my gut feeling never let me down if you know what I mean!!

jsecurity
jsecurity

@ RonaldAnthonyDiaz. Thank you for your service sir!

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@borsh13  I did have the same gut feeling about Duda not Ike and I was right and the same Gut feeling about Harvey too. Here one Matt Den Dekker I have a gut feeling this kid is going to be an All Star!!

Ronald Anthony Diaz
Ronald Anthony Diaz

@jsecurity  Thanks I also had my lucky Mets hat with me when I was on patrol one time for some reason my hat flew off I jumped off the vehicle and went to get it and the vehicle was hit by mortar fire, I was lucky well lucky hat I say!!!! lol