Opinion: It’s not just the Mets, though it certainly feels like it

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Cardinals RHP Adam Wainwright pitched seven shutout innings against the Mets on Tuesday.

He dominated. It looked like he was using a laser pointer to slice up the edges of home plate. I don’t think any team could have hit him the way he was throwing. Nevertheless, I’m left feeling like the Mets are incapable of hitting any one, which is a feeling I’m way too used to at this point.

Thankfully, I’m not alone.

I listened to Dodgers, Cardinals, Mariners and Angels fans complain all morning on MLB Network Radio about their team’s lack of offense – and I’m pretty sure most Mets fans would switch place with those lineups any day of the week.


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“Sometimes you see this early in the year,” Cardinals 2B Mark Ellis said Monday about his team’s offense (St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Apr. 22). “A lot of times when one or two guys are struggling, the whole lineup is struggling. There are too many good hitters in this room for it to keep going, for us not to hit.”

The Cardinals were shutout Monday by Jenrry Mejia.

“We’re going through an extended period of time without a lot of offense,” St. Louis manager Mike Methany said after the game. “We’re not looking to make moves to make moves. We’re just not clicking offensively. It will happen. I imagine it will happen more often than it won’t.”

This sounds familiar.

The Mets are not the Cardinals, in terms of potential at the plate. But, the Mets are better than what they’ve shown in April. Thankfully, the pitching has been very good and they’re 10-10 at a time when I expected worse. They’ll hit eventually, I hope. In the meantime, I’m glad to know I’m not alone in worrying about a lack of run production.


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122 comments
C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

If your 1-3 are supposed to be your set up/OBP guys...

..and your 4-7 are your run producers...(understanding there is an overlap at #3)

What's the role of your 8 hitter?  I don't know too many that hit 20HRs or drive in 85 runs.  I also don't know too many that steal 55 bases, so...what is their role?


Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

You have to wonder if things would be different if team was getting ANY production from RF and SS. Frankly, they're fortunate to be 10-10. Was surprised to see Peralta hitting only .167. But at least he has an iota of pop. If things stay like this we're gonna lose a lot of 2-1 and 3-2 games--even when the quality arms are called-up.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

Despite all the advanced metrics and stats it is still runs scored vs runs allowed that determine the winner of a baseball game.Everybody complains about the Met offense rank 21 in runs.Nobody comments about the pitching ranked 20 in runs allowed.Compared to the rest of the teams,the pitching hasn't been any better then the hitting.If the pitching was say top 10,where some thought it might be,the record would be better then 10-10.the Mets are only at 500 because the pitching is not what we thought not the hitting.

vanwyck
vanwyck

The sky is not falling yet, it is still early.

Last in AVG, hits, HR and first in SO's, not a good combo and yet a .500 team, why?

Pitching has been fantastic overall, pitching will cool down some and hitting will pick up it always does and then you get a .500 team +/- .20 pts.  If they start hitting and remember the Mets have mostly played games in cold weather, factor that in - and if pitching holds with timely hitting you starting playing at a .550 clip and that is the magic 90 win formula.

But what to do about Granderson?  He did not hit in Anaheim as TC had hoped, horrible approach to the plate and perhaps still hurt from DBacks game.  Why not bench him against lefties for a few series and play Abreu and sit Chris Young against righties too and let Kirk have a go at it.  CY is below average in CF vs Kirk.  


And of course we are missing a very clutch bat and gold glove in Lagares.


Lastly, our pitchers are sucking it up at the plate and not just Colon, Wainwright has 5 hits so far, total Met's staff has 0 hits!



Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Surprised the Marlins are 2nd in the league in hitting.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

The chart says it all, they are last in hits, when you are last in hits and ADD 2 guys to the roster that strike out a lot, you will remain at that potistion until, you cut down on your SWING, try to move the runners around the bases and FORGET about The Home Run! We are in a pitchers park, which is perfect for line drive hitters, I blame the Manager, even thou the GM has given little to work with and owners even less! We can't afford to play guys like Quintanilla, who has no range on either side and doesn't try to stop a ball from going thru the infield! Although Wainwright looked un hittable, we helped him out swinging from our heels, it's time to dump the hitting Coachless! The guy is terrible and has accomplished nothing with the team. The Cardnials have played 2 less games with 20 MORE HITS!

lholztrio
lholztrio

When are the Mets going to reward Daniel Murphy with a contract extension?  Alderson flushes money down the toilet on useless signings but won't reward a home grown guy who has done everything the Mets have asked of him and done it quite well.  COME ON!  Give the guy what he has earned.

wilpondscm
wilpondscm

granderson sux. as i said when they singed him, more poor spending, just the mets getting someone with more name value than on-the-field value because he was a yankee and the wilpons look up to the yanks. totally not worth the dough.

xplr
xplr

KROD: 8/8 in saves, WHIP of .64.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

I'm so willing to move syndegard in a trade for a big time bat.

nolrog
nolrog

>>> Nevertheless, I’m left feeling like the Mets are incapable of hitting any one, which is a feeling I’m way too used to at this point.


That's because they can't.  The Mets are the worst hitting team in the NL and the second worst hitting team in baseball (based on both team batting average and number of hits); they are in front of only Houston.

And none of this is a surprise.

BadContract
BadContract

Game of inches last night. A couple more feet on the ball Holiday caught and a heads up slide by Chris Young at home and we have extra innings.

xplr
xplr

Why aren't the Mets spending the money they saved from Ike Davis? Why don't they sign a guy like Hanrahan instead of the garbage we now have closing? The same way as with Valverde, only a wacko would think Farnsworth can actually close for a full season. These guys are all washed up. 


The Mets only goal is to cut payroll and charge a fortune to go to see a AAA lineup.

metjetnet
metjetnet

The way things stand now, you could build a very strong case for simply swapping the entire non-pitcher/non-Wright roster with Las Vegas', and we'd be well ahead of the game. LV is mashing well beyond the atmospherics of the desert air...

hankincolo
hankincolo

I am optimistic about TdA hitting. But Duda? Grandy? Lots of holes right now.

hankincolo
hankincolo

BTW, Adam Wainwright is excellent, we know that, but you can not accept that just because the other team has a top pitcher going that you're bound to lose. Doing so is a losing mentality.

Furthermore, as much as I like a multi-dimensional line-up, the lack of pop on this team is why they're at .500. Atlanta meanwhile, with a lot of blemishes on that team is in first. Why? They hit the long ball.

metjetnet
metjetnet

The real eye-opener on that chart is the OBP column. According to Mets front office lore, this should be the metric we dominate.

Oops.

Winding up 13th out of a possible 15 teams in your very own bailiwick is stunning to behold. Are 12 other teams committing themselves to Sandy's philosophy to a far greater extent than Sandy's own team? Is Sandy back working for the League rather than the Mets?

zoddie
zoddie

@C.K. Dexter Haven Same as everyone else in the order.  Get on base, score runs, drive in runs, run the bases.  And be patient enough to know when you are getting pitched around to get to the pitcher.

pj10
pj10

@Joe Wenzel We are also LAST in HR's, Avg, doubles, triples, total bases and hits. How crazy is that.



Ed Yano
Ed Yano

GP stands for games played Cards21 Mets 20.Please explain what math you used to determine the Cardinals have played 2 less games.Another one who just makes up things to try and prove their point.

nwmets
nwmets

@Will Keesee  Whining is fun and that's why we're here, so stop whining about whining.

Olerud42
Olerud42

 um wha?  why would you spend money you don't have to spend.

nwmets
nwmets

@ifti99  Good for him -- if he was with the Mets he wouldn't even have 8 save opportunities...

zoddie
zoddie

@ifti99 So?  Were you or anyone else here a proponent of signing him?

Adrian Cervantes
Adrian Cervantes

@Mike Dell Italia  Would never make that move unless we are talking a Mike Trout caliber player. Our hunting strikes approach will mess up any hitter we trade for.

ken1010
ken1010

@ifti99  They're spending it - on a wider variety of uniforms

heynow20
heynow20

You relaize Hanrahan isn't exactly a spring chicken at age 33, and is less than a year removed from Tommy John surgery. He basically missed all of last year.  Doesn't mean he couldn't be effective and an upgrade for this tearm, but he doesn't inspire a ton of confidence that he'll be able to last a full season either..

xplr
xplr

@metjetnet  Well, I would't go that far but we really do have an anemic lineup.

zoddie
zoddie

@hankincolo Duda is leading the team in OBP, SLG, HRs, and is #2 in RBI in limited ABs.  Explain how that is a hole, please.


People here love recycling old hater lines even when they made and make no sense whatsoever.  Go follow another team, because it is clear you aren't aware of what is happening with this one.

nwmets
nwmets

@hankincolo  They didn't hit either of the two relief pitchers either, so the "Oh yeah, Wainwright" excuse doesn't cut it.

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

@metjetnet  OBP is a worthless stat. It's a compilation that doesn't exist within the parameters of a game. What generates OBP are hits. Walks are a by product of good hitting, because poor hitters aren't drawing walks unless a pitcher doesn't know where the ball is going. In that case, a well trained monkey can draw a walk. There's no skill required. 

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

Really,I don't think you know what your watching then.Its a fact that they rank 20 in runs allowed.How does that happen if they have pitched outstanding???.They are what they are and it's not outstanding.Didnt you see Valverde give up 3 in the top of the 9th and they came back to lose by 1 How is that outstanding pitching?the team era is almost 4.00 How is that outstanding???.Please explain with some facts not opinions.

7up17_2go
7up17_2go

@Adrian Cervantes @Mike Dell Italia  What???  The guy is a "prospect", remember F-Rod?  Just because all Mets fans have been sold on the fact that Thor and  Dar-no, are "Can't Miss", doesn't mean they are.  You deal thru your strengths and we need hitting.

zoddie
zoddie

@C.K. Dexter Haven @zoddie@7up17_2go F-Mart, I'm sure you're right.  


I think Sandy is using this year to figure out what the holes are in the lineup.  A month ago we weren't sure if Lagares could hit or what 1b would look like.  Now Lagares and Duda are our two best hitters (so far, obviously).


When Harvey went down, I think we all knew this wasn't going to be the year.  No sense in making a move now.  Too soon.  I'm sure there will be some action at the deadline and in the offseason.  Sandy has shown he's not afraid of making a trade (Beltran, Dickey, Byrd, Ike, EYjr, etc.).

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@zoddie @7up17_2go    Let's assume he meant F-MART...


Ultimately I don't know who Sandy should pair together in a trade for a bat(s).  But, there's no way Sandy could think that ALL these SPs are going to crack the Met rotation within the next 2 years.  So?  Sandy, let's not have a repeat of 2 seasons ago where you had a chance to make a move at the deadline because the Mets were actually playing well and you did....nothing!  Cash in some of these prospects and lets go already.   If Omar's issue was he seemed to only pay attention to the big club, Sandy seems to only want to stockpile prospects...

zoddie
zoddie

@7up17_2go I clearly don't remember F-Rod.  Who was F-Rod?


I'll still bet money that D'Arnaud turns out fine.

zoddie
zoddie

@dave42 @Mike Dell Italia Pass on Kemp.  He hasn't proved he can hit post-injury.


.723 OPS last year, .196/.293/.431 so far this year.


And half his salary is still $64m.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

I would love to go after kemp and degrom and Flores for him I would do that in a sec

dave42
dave42

@Mike Dell Italia not getting either of those guys, I think.  Rockies are 1/2 game out, Marlins have a ton of young pitching and need offense.  I think Kemp is our best bet for a legit major league bat, though I might rather Joc Pederson.  If the Dodgers would pay half Kemp's salary I'd go for DeGrom and Flores for him.  Or similar deal for Pederson.  Dodgers have Ethier, Crawford, Puig and Kemp plus Pederson in AAA (raking).  I know Kemp is not hitting now and can't stay healthy, but if you only have to pay him 6 years $60mil, it'd be worth a shot at an MVP caliber player.

zoddie
zoddie

@Olerud42 @JimmyBX182@metjetnet Fitting response from John Olerud, who I believe set the Mets single season OBP record in 1998!


BTW, Ted Williams and Babe Ruth are #1 and #2 in lifetime OBP.  They must have sucked.  And Mickey Mantle must have really sucked (#17th all time) because he couldn't even finish his career with a .300 lifetime batting average.