Opinion: Inconsistent Mets need to do better

Maggie Wiggin, Contributor

The Mets played a 15-8 stretch to end April, but have since gone 5-13.

“We’ve been inconsistent,” David Wright told reporters this past weekend. “We go through a stretch where we play well, go through a stretch where we don’t play so well. Granted, it’s impossible to go through the whole season and play your best baseball every day, but there’s got to be some gray area where you squeak out a win when you’re not playing well, and it doesn’t seem we’re doing that.”

It’s hard to define what “not playing well” looks like, especially for a team that seems to so rarely play well. However, at least so far, the team’s record bares out what Wright is saying…


David Wright swings at a pitch


You’d expect good pitching to pick up a weak offense some of the time, especially in a park like Citi Field, but the team is an awful 2-18 when scoring three or fewer runs. When the team isn’t hitting, which is often, they aren’t getting the kind of shut-down pitching needed to overcome that weakness.

They also aren’t eking out any wins when they play poorly in the field. So far this season, they’ve made at least two errors in six different games and lost all of them. When they get sloppy in one regard, it seems to permeate the rest of the game.

Teams are usually successful over the course of a season because they can win close games and games where not everything is going well. Sometimes that means getting a stand-up game from one or two players, and sometimes it takes a bit of luck, and the Mets are short on both right now.

It’s still early and improvements from new pitching arrivals and currently underperforming hitters could help them get over the hump when playing less-than-stellar baseball overall, but right now when it rains it pours.




149 comments
klj_bklyn
klj_bklyn

@metsblog Willie Mays-hon. hitting coach; NY (bb) Giants hat day; celebrate Monte Irvin's b'day; re-do Sid Gordon Day ... break the curse!

klj_bklyn
klj_bklyn

@metsblog The curse of the NY (BB) Giants: Mets replaced 2 NL teams; Wilpon's act like it was only 1; the BB gods are angry.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

Last night Murphy struggled. Granderson hits and Murphy chokes at key moments. Never a break.

"It’s hard to define what “not playing well” looks like, especially for a team that seems to so rarely play well." Huh? Did you mean that statement? Because you kinda defined it!

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

How about we start with something simple: Bring a guy home with less than two outs and a runner on third. This team takes AB's that are just brutal. Plus, the collective Baseball IQ of our starters is somewhere around the 'intellectually-challenged' level. Am using the politically-correct nomenclature because 'cretin' and 'imbecile' have fallen from the lexicon.

Steve3307
Steve3307

@metsblog bull....to much time wasted on players that will not perform. Time to get legit bats with all the extra pitching mets have.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

If I did this right on ESPN, our starters ERA ranks 19th in MLB with an ERA of 4.06. Our relievers rank 13th with an ERA of 3.74. 


Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

None of this is surprising. Look at the roster, this is not a winning team. Anybody who follows baseball, reports on baseball, analyzes baseball, played baseball, or just watches this team knows that. 

metsjetsdu
metsjetsdu

We know this team isn't the most talented. We know it needs better players. It also needs better coaching. To argue against that point is foolish. I don't get what TC has done to get such loyalty from some fans .

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

Atlanta Braves 25-19 149 Runs scored 137 Allowed

Mets   20-24    177 Runs Scored 191 Runs allowed (most in the division)


Maybe offense isn't our problem? Maybe our vaunted pitching isn't so great? 

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

When they get better players they'll do better.  They're a hot mess of mediocrity.  Virtually no one has a regular position, the bullpen is a joke and the starters are all over the map.  Inconsistency from this group is actually a good thing.  It means they don't suck ALL the time.  

philsdad
philsdad

As long as fans go to Citi and the Wilpon's squeeze out a profit then nothing is going to change.  Turn that place into Grant's tomb.  We can boo the players from home.  If you choose too not my thing.  You can't ask AAAA players to immediately perform all at the same time.Changing managers wont matter much IMHO.  Just stop going to the park.  Watch if you can stomach it.  

DON'T BE SLOPPY
DON'T BE SLOPPY

I feel bad for my kids. I passed down the dreadful Mets/Jets/Islanders Fan gene.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

The team is inconsistent because the manager cant make a decision. Players are in Limbo and the plan has nosubstance its, catchers catch can! The Tem has a lot of holes in it with no leader! Its not just the colser of the day, it's the shortstop of The day and the centerfielder of the day, icant make this up!

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

WELCOME TO ANOTHER YEAR OF SANDY ALDERSON BASEBALL!....HERE WE COME LAST PLACE!

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

I would have to think by 2018 we might be a contender.

Bob G
Bob G

Maggie,


How many fights between a lion and a lamb do you expect the lamb to win??? Let's face it, the Mets are NOT the lion in any game they play!!

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Send Hudgens.Collins and Warthen to the unemployment line!..wins and losses don't lie.

jlga
jlga

So here's my question: given this roster what did you expect from this team? How many wins are realistic?

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

This team needs a new Mgr ..Terry as of late seems to be losing it when asked questions that he answers with statements that don't make any sense...our hitting is horrible and our pitching not looking as good as it was....time for a new coaching staff and Mgr.

4EverMets
4EverMets

@Joe Paulson Murph has always been VERY streaky!! As hot as he has been he can go 3 weeks being ice cold before he gets hot again.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@moep soup!   [Darling said he would!]

ken1010
ken1010

@moep  Terry filled out the card correctly this time.

konyc
konyc

@Kenneth Meltsner I don't know about that last part--the Ramones are still pretty popular, and "Cretin Hop" would make a great anthem for our squad.  Plus, the Ramones were from Queens...

konyc
konyc

@jlga That's impossible to guess at until we know WHO on the roster is going to get playing time, and how much.  Collins' juggling acts, exemplified by his clueless comments on the SS position, makes guessing moot.

jlga
jlga

That will cure everything!!

metsjetsdu
metsjetsdu

@Joseph DeFazio @metsjetsdu  its pretty sad. Know its not all TC but sometimes heads have to roll . That's just the way life is. 74-77 is where I see us for this year.

jlga
jlga

Looking at this roster as it stands, regardless of who is playing, can anyone see a contender here? Even a .500 team?

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@jlga No but it will send a message..our coaching staff is not great lets get real here.

philsdad
philsdad

@jlga I was hoping for 500 and the development of Wheeler, Lagares and Flores and the emergence of Syndegaard.  All can still happen.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

75 wins. To expect more isn't realistic

konyc
konyc

@Steven Matregrano @DFinal word on the subject.  TC has had three stints as major league manager.  His winning percentages on those jobs: .532, .481, .462, for a total of .489,  And .489 equals LOSER.

konyc
konyc

@Steven Matregrano @DAnd the longer he's at the helm here, the quicker he's gonna remain a loser, so you're actually rooting for his career record to tank.

metsjetsdu
metsjetsdu

@jlga  wait so we only care about what he did in the 90's ?? Not only do we lose every year, we get worse. He does not get the best out of his players, his lineups are laughable, and his in-game decisions are HORRIBLE. See yesterday when he unintentionally intentionally walked a .176 hitter in Ellis to get to Beckett in the second inning. No need for that. Over managing. If you can't get a 8 hitter out in the second inning , when can you get him out ? Besides touting his mediocre record in the 90's and saying the '99 angels had injuries, do you have any positive things to say about TC during his Met tenor ? Would love to hear it . 

konyc
konyc

@D A guy who hadn't managed in the bigs for 12 years--never secured a playoff spot--quit on his last MLB job--is gonna be 66 next year--will never be the skipper of a legitimately playoff-contending team.  Ever.  Better to start building a winning attitude now, not keep treading water with this wanker.

jlga
jlga

So he didn't win enough?

jlga
jlga

Do you know anything about the 99 Angels team? That two players protested because they were being pushed too hard? One of those players, Jim Edmonds, was so distraught over how the team was managed (of course he didn't like it when Collins questioned why Edmonds waited until April to have major surgery rather than during the off season).

I'm not saying he's the answer. But until this team had some talent then we just don't know. The manager may not be the answer but he certainly is not the problem.

konyc
konyc

@jlga Thanks for simply cutting and pasting the same old song.  

Ten seasons as a major league manager--eight of them in the wild card era--and not a whiff of a playoff spot.  Some winner  That's like saying the Braves were the best team in baseball all those years they won the division title, even tho' they had one less WS win than the Marlins in that a span.

D
D

@jlga  you are as dense as they come bro, not to mention condescending... good luck

jlga
jlga

Actually his best year is when he went 66-49. But in his first 5 years his team posted winning records 5 times. Last iPhones that Wanda winning. The 99 Angels were decimated by injuries and they lost. Cap that's 5 winning years out of 6.

Then there's the Mets.

konyc
konyc

@jlga In only 3 of those seasons did he manage 162 games.  Win totals in those years--85, 84 and 82.  Technically a "winner," but absolutely never a champion, or even close.

D
D

@jlga  There's a difference between Winning, and Slightly Above Complete Mediocrity...When I think of Winning, I think of maybe just once actually qualifying for a playoff berth... OR, you know, NOT HAVING AN ENTIRE TEAM REVOLT AGAINST THE MANAGER TO GET HIM OUSTED

philsdad
philsdad

@D Collins is bad AND he has bad players

jlga
jlga

5 years and 5 winning seasons. Last I looked that is winning. The 99 Angels were decimated by injuries and the lost. So, that's 5 winning seasons out of. 6.

Then there's the Mets.

D
D

@jlga  also... does EVERY manager put their players in an EQUAL position to succeed?  Your statement seems to suggest the answer is obviously Yes

D
D

As I responded to you 3 hours ago (and got no reply)... you claimed TC has "won everywhere he has been"...

@jlga PLEASE show me the proof of Terry Collins "Winning everywhere else he's been"... and by Winning, I mean maybe 1 division title or a playoff appearance... FYI, his BEST RECORD as a manager is 85-77... and as you said, HE HAD PLAYERS.. yet still did squat... if you can't see why he is a below average manager by now, you never had a clue and may never have one

Here ya go pal.... http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/collite99.shtml

jlga
jlga

When they have talent. A manger puts his players in a position to succeed. After that it's up to the players to perform. This team has opportunities but fails. Murphy strikes out, Duda pops up. That's on them.

Collins was a winner in five of the prior six years he was a manager. His only losing season was when the Angels were crushed by injuries. With this team, and it's roster, he's not.

He was given a 74 Vega and told to win the Indy 500. Why are we surprised that it can't be done?

D
D

@jlga  why not real players AND a real manager? oh wait... NO manager EVER makes ANY difference ANYWHERE, right?

jlga
jlga

The Titanic had a lot if holes and changing the Captain and crew wouldn't plug those holes. Get some real players on this team.

jlga
jlga

Get a real team with major league players. Otherwise it's just arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.