Opinion: I like positive thinking, but also a strong roster

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Terry Collins again parroted Sandy Alderson’s 90-win statement this past weekend, saying the team will not attain that goal unless everyone in the lineup contributes, not just the heart of the order.

In case you forgot, the Mets have not finished over .500 since 2008. They haven’t moved forward in total wins since 2010. I believe in positive thinking. But, I also know what I see, which is a team without their ace, and without their shortstop and first baseman. They also have a questionable bullpen and a young pivotal catcher who looks totally lost at the plate.


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That said, I like the talk of 90 wins. I expect they’ll have egg on their face before the end of the season, but that’s OK. It’s a start. It’s a goal.

The Mets expect to enter 2015 with Matt Harvey, Zack Wheeler and Noah Syndergaard in their rotation, not to mention two of Jon Niese, Bartolo Colon, Dillon Gee and Rafael Montero, which is going to make it very difficult to botch future success. It’s ripe for the taking. They’re going to be fine. And, setting expectations and working to change the culture now, earlier than later, is smart. But, it needs to be kept in its proper box.

This is not Rex Ryan. This is not a prediction. Collins and Sandy Alderson are not saying the Mets will win 90 games this year, mark it down, make your bets, don’t make plans for October. Instead, they’re setting a tone, essentially we expect to win. Ninety wins is every team’s goal. Despite holes in the roster and failure the last few years, why should the Mets be any different?




134 comments
metsjetsdu
metsjetsdu

if this club wins 90 games ill shave an image of jeff wilpon's face into my back hair and go to opening day shirtless next year. 

hit .350 in spring training with the opportunities given then sent to the minors tells me I shouldn't have confidence that the roster is strong.

vern
vern

With nine starting pitchers [Harvey, Wheeler, Montero, Syndergaard, Neise, Gee, Colon, Mejia, Matsuzaka] projected to be on the roster in 2015, does anybody think there will be a trade for a missing piece [SS -1B] any time before then?


I think the Mets are happy with the outfield, 2B, and 3B and hope d'Arnaud can adapt to major league pitching.

Jim Yager
Jim Yager

So here we are, again, the season has not even started, and, we are looking ahead to 2015 :{ Then we will be looking ahaead to 2016, ect... WHEN does it end?  When do we stop with the excuses, stories and what if's? We have been hearing all the BS for years now, it's time to make a change.I had to walk away from this sad team last season, I coul dnot take it anymore. Why pat $300 to watch them blow game after game? All I ask for are games that I can enjoy watching, and, a chance the they may win. I am going to get MLB, again, I only hope I can keep it, and, th eteam plays well and at least gives me false hope ;} LETS GO METS!!!!!

John Lee
John Lee

It's always fun to read an article in mid-March about the strength of NEXT year's team.



Salsasoul
Salsasoul

Lineup and power output appears better.  Starting rotation, even without Harvey, appears better.  Bullpen looks ok.  I can see 85 wins with some binoculars.  90 if they sign Drew and install him at short and somewhere between 5 and 7 in the lineup.

Craig Ramirez
Craig Ramirez

Sorry, Matt, but dude, honestly, you've been using the same template for your blog posts for the last 6 or 7 years.  It goes something like this:


"SO AND SO  sucks (but equivocate, and never come out and say just that) and probably should be replaced with POTENTIAL UPGRADE HERE (Ed Note: this screams of "See!  I'm one of you!"), but....THAT SAID (I have heretofore stricken this turn of phrase from my professional life because of your overuse of it.  Literally, I'll be writing something at work and type these words, and then backspace, backspace, backspace), I like what we are trying to do because..."


And oh, BTW, your attempted shot at Rex Ryan is waaaaaaaay off base seeing how he is a competent coach who has taken two below average football teams to back to back AFC Championship games.  I'm guessing most Mets fans would give a pinky finger for a shot at the NLCS at this point in time instead of another lackluster 74 win season.  

Stearnsfan12
Stearnsfan12

I love this team as much as anyone, and have for a long time.  That being sad, I don't think 90 is something that will happen.  I'd be happy if they could finish .500 this year.  The Mets offense needs so many players to produce at a much more productive rate than they have shown for the past few seasons.  That's too much to ask to get to 90 wins.  I think SP will be good this year, but I don't see the bullpen being all that much stronger than its been in years past.  When's the last time the Mets made moves that all paid off in a season?  Lets hope some people emerge this year, and the team finally shows the financial imperative to improve the team through some big name, in their prime offensive players, rather than declining, recapture their prime kind of guys.  That said, Lets Go Mets!!!

JC
JC

90 wins is not attainable.  How do they expect to increase their win total by double digits compared to last year when the roster is not any better.  Harvey is out and yes we got Granderson but I highly doubt his stats will be much better than Byrd from last year.  I don't see how this team even wins 85 games.  It's sad to say but finishing at 500 seems like the best case scenario.

supert
supert

I like positive thinking as well, I also like repercussions for not meeting expectations.  Wonder if Sandy & the front office would be so flipped with their predictions if there were actually some repercussions if the team doesn't play up to their stated expectations.

Steven G
Steven G

90 wins is sure better than hearing that they'll be fun to watch. It's steep, but it's a goal, and without goals a team will never succeed. Even if they shoot for 90 and just make it to over .500, it's a start. Shoulda been more though, although I would say that our starting lineup is way better than last year's Opening Day lineup.

John Ericson
John Ericson

Once again, I find it offensive to tell a fan base you expect 90 wins and not do what you need to do to make that a realistic expectation.  It's a farce.  A complete joke.   And frankly Matt your affirmation of this drivel is sickening.  

lukeduke
lukeduke

My God!! Is anybody within the Met brass reading these comments?? Fred Wilpon,if you love the Mets like you say you do ..then do all of us and yourself a big favor and sell this team while it still has value! Unbelievable!! Such a loyal fan base too.So wrong to hold us hostage.

Bob Giacalone
Bob Giacalone

Matt, I appreciate you trying to be balanced here. Yes, it's a goal...and it's nice to have positive goals. But it's terribly delusional.


steve333
steve333

There's a greater chance of one of my crappy Biotech stocks making me rich than The Mets winning 90 games

upstater
upstater

The reason why is that the team's management is not serious about doing what it takes to attain that goal. This is like a kid walking into organic chem in college and saying I expect an A, and then doing no work to make it happen. Expectations are all well and good when one does what it takes to make them real, or at least to have a chance. With the 4th lowest payroll in the NL, that's not the case here.

boo5270
boo5270

A payroll that ranks 23rd out of 30 teams is not a commitment to winning!  I bet that they WANT to win, but they don't have the $ to do so, which is embarrassing in New York.  If only the Wilpons would just sell the team already!

The outfield is stronger than last year. Pitching is a little weaker but that is just due to an injury. Hopefully catching improves with experience. Need a healthy DW all year. Ike needs to start the season stronger. The only unfunished business is at SS which needs to be resolved BEFORE the season begins!

arbt
arbt

I'm getting sick of hearing about 2015. For 5 years 2014 was supposed to be our year and now it's 2015. Keep in mind Harvey will be coming off TJ so he won't be the same as he is recovering. In addition what if Thor isn't a stud or one of our other pitchers blow their arm out? Bottom line is if ownership is not committed to winning, then next March we will be saying 2017 is our year when ceccini and nimmo come up and dom smith joins team in June.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Hey, what happened to the blog polls about who should start on Opening Day? Looks like the brain-dead are in hiding.

airfeet
airfeet

Cerrone is the most inept sports blogger out there when it comes to baseball thinking

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

I have another idea. If the Mets win 90 games, Sandy gets double salary for 2014, if they win less, he gets nothing.


Think he'd take the deal?

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

90 wins is like "The Magic is Back" slogan. It's totally meaningless. Instead of putting out this fantasy number which is just attention grabbing hype, why don't the Mets field a full major league team. That would help toward 90 wins. The rest is all bs, I've heard it for years now.

Alessandro Fustinoni
Alessandro Fustinoni

Listen guys... I LOVE this team! I've been a Mets fan since i got into the states from Italy at a young age! I want them to succeed! But enough is enough of this BS! I'm tired of hearing Alderson saying the same things over and over again, and thinking that us fans are a bunch of bo bo's! This team is the same as last season, same holes at the same positions! For him to come out and crack his jokes and pretend that this team is going to compete with the players that they are choosing to put out there is a complete joke and an insult to us fans!

Had to get that out of me!

Ian Roberts
Ian Roberts

Kool-Aid futures would sell high with this crowd.

DIY Degree
DIY Degree

Also, if they are just throwing the 90 win thing around to set a tone, why not say it the last three seasons too? Or did we want a losing tone during those seasons? 

At this point it honestly sounds patronizing, like the fans are too stupid to think critically about the team Sandy's assembled. 

I want to believe in this season, I really do. I don't like feeling chronically negative. but this team continues to not go the extra mile for us. Here's hoping I eat my words this summer :)

@vern The Mets are just trying to justify the millions they spent on the outfield.  Remember Jason Bay?

DIY Degree
DIY Degree

@lukeduke  I wouldn't be surprised if someone from the team reads the comments, but I doubt they take it too seriously. We're the hardcore fans. AKA, an "assumed gain." They know we'll tune in and show up no matter how bad things get. 


Teams care about drawing casual fans. That's why we hear about Boyz 2 Men, fireworks nights, family friendliness, competitive games in September, etc. 

Frankly, that's probably where the 90 win comment came from. It's the kind of remark that's vaguely inspiring to the fan who doesn't closely track or scrutinize what the team does. 

Jim Yager
Jim Yager

I am not sure that high payroll = wins? The Yankees have not won the WS since 2009, and they had the highest payroll. Look at the Marlins, they spent, what $182 million on a team and finished in last place. A team has to have talent, desire, drive and heart in a perfect mix to win. Money will bring the talent, but, sometimes that is not enough.

It is always interesting when you have one group of fans that state that they should spend more money and another set of fans that state that they will not longer be going to games. More gate reciepts = possible spending.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@arbt Bingo!  It's the endless chase of the next prospect.  Meanwhile, the Mets are taking in New York profits while spending like a small market team.  Looks like the Wilpons did learn something from Bernie Madoff.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@mikesml  The philosophy is to take pitches to get the pitch count up. I remember when knocking out a pitcher meant getting hits and runs. Terry likes to see 6 pitches. The NL will pound strikes evry hitter will be 0-2 and Terry will get a raise.

DIY Degree
DIY Degree

@Steven Molello  Definitely not. Though in fairness, I wouldn't take that deal either, even if I was actually confident in the 90 win prediction.

supert
supert

@stemog @SuperDuper  Because when you have 5 straight losing seasons you have to crawl (finish .500) before you can walk (win 90 games) and everyone who is being realistic knows that.

strato
strato

Then why not make the goal 100, if you don't mind being delusional.All it is is abother lie designed to market garbage.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@Will Keesee Ok you are stupid Wheeler  isn't 1,2 or 3 material . Just read and learn stop talking you sound like an idiot.  Wheeler looked like he couldn't even be a 4th starter. You really know the game. LMAO.

DIY Degree
DIY Degree

@Will Keesee @DIY Degree  No sensitivity involved, my friend.

It's simple logic. Sandy says the team can win 90. Wilpon says "we better win 90." That means their expectation = 90 wins. 

Vegas says it's a 75 win team. They've been remarkably accurate about our win totals for years. 

So, let's apply Occam's Razor to this problem. Simplest explanation is usually correct. Either the impartial Vegas insiders are wrong, or the Mets (who own the team, preside over a bitter, jaded fanbase, and desperately need to sell tickets) are lying about the team out of self-interest. 

How am I being sensitive by connecting those remarkably obvious dots into one line?

Again: I hope to be wrong. If I am, I'll come here and cheerfully admit it. 

Jim Yager
Jim Yager

While I do agree with you , I have to point out 1969. The METS went from a last place team to a WS winner, and, they beat a much better team. I also look at the 2004 Red Sox, down 3-o against the Yankees. Stranger things have happened, will it happen in 2014 for the METS? I doubt it, but, anything is possible. I will believe and hold out hope until the team gives up.

upstater
upstater

@SuperDuper Actually the outfield defense is the one thing that will be good about this team.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@DIY Degree  Yeah Will is happy we aren't the GM. But he loves the sly Sandy. 2017 is our year!

72tilltc
72tilltc

@DIY Degree That is a healthy approach I could see why some think he is a stud. I have seen em all. I dont think he is better than Al Leiter.  

72tilltc
72tilltc

@Will Keesee @72tilltc  Actually I liked Harvey out of spring training I also saw him the year before when he gave up a grandslam after showing little control. But he had great stuff. You cant teach 98MPH and rising. Wheeler is a skinny dude who was traded by Sabean I hope he is gonna be a 4 and win 12-15 . But to say Sandy fleeced anyone on this is ridiculous. He isn't better than Mike Minor. I judge right away sometimes I'm wrong but i know a stud when i see one they burst on the scene. 

DIY Degree
DIY Degree

@Will Keesee @72tilltc  Gotta agree with Will here. Way too early to pigeonhole Wheeler as a fourth starter. I think his ceiling is sky-high. 

arbt
arbt

I think the over under is actually 71 wins.