Opinion: I hope Alderson keeps an open mind about Collins

miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: Terry Collins will likely to start next season as manager of the Mets, but I hope that job security doesn’t automatically extend deep in to the year. I don’t fully understand why he’s a lock to be back, even if the team finishes slightly below .500. But, I’m OK with the decision, as long as Sandy Alderson keeps an open mind as next year gets rolling…

Expectations going in to next season will hopefully be high, especially with Matt Harvey back, Lucas Duda locked in at first base, Travis d’Arnaud in his third season, an All-Star at third and second base, a burgeoning pitching staff and hopefully a more productive, every-day shortstop and/or left fielder on the roster. If they finish just .500, it’s going to be a disappointment.

So, in the event Collins and his team get off to a weak start, say 20-35, if they look to be taking a distinct step back from where they were at that point each of the previous two seasons, I expect Alderson to replace him, despite Terry being under contract for the remainder of the season.


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Collins seems to get the benefit of the doubt that most of the team’s recent struggles in the standings have to do with the young talent he is trying to shepherd toward a season with next year’s expectations. Well, it looks like next year is the year we’ve been waiting for — the year the team ‘contends’ — so I’m fine letting Collins continue to prove he can lead them to that level. I have doubts it will work, because I fear his message and in-game tactics will disrupt a mature, more talented team. But, time will tell…

Collins is under contract, he clearly has the support of Alderson and it’s obvious he’s returning. However, if he stumbles, if it looks like next year is going off the rails, even if it’s ‘only May,’ I expect Alderson to take some sort of action, which will make next year’s choice for bench coach all the more interesting.




218 comments
Dylan Ray Rice
Dylan Ray Rice

Weren't we supposed to reach 90 wins this year? There were no real devastating injuries, just extremely poor performance from the big off season signings. Sandy is admitting he's full of it by commiting to Collins at this point in his 3rd lost season.. This team could have been a wild card contender THIS year if we had a true leader.

Terry is not just a terrible manager, he's a frantic mess. Collins is the face of a losing culture; the ringleader of the circus. The players of Anaheim Angels apparently petitioned their ownership to fire him in 1999. He hadn't managed a major league team since then. Do people realize how absurd it is that this clown was ever named manager?

Screw what Alderson wants, this is our team. We demand accountability.

Hey Sandy, your guys failed to even flirt with the playoffs, yet again.. Let us see what Wally can do, or resign.

Wally has already successfully managed many of the guys on the MLB roster. He's passionate, tough, and knows what it takes to win a championship. It would at least be interesting, and could be the spark we've been looking for.

Harley Alderson
Harley Alderson

young talent that collins is trying to shepard? are you kidding me most of his tenure all he has ever started has been the vets. he very seldomly plays the young guys. 

Alan J Tepper
Alan J Tepper

My favorite part of this post is "Well, it looks like next year is the year we’ve been waiting for — the year the team ‘contends.’"

Is there actually a human being writing this, or is there just a computer program that spews out this text year after year?

semperfi
semperfi

No problem bringing TC back in a different role but SAs approval rating will go through the floor board if he brings back as Mgr, would be easy to justify repositioning him within the organization

steve333
steve333

It's Wally Time.

A year ago

steve333
steve333

If Collins is back to manage the Mets next year it means Alderson has given up and admitted it.

Both Alderson and Collins should be replaced, IMO

Timothy Nagle
Timothy Nagle

If Alderson settles for failure, by all means bring Collins back.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

He's given away at least 10 Games,but he does have have terrible players!! He was sleeping on the job last night!

Mark Rakentine
Mark Rakentine

So we're to believe that Collins deserves more time as manager than Randolph or Manuel were afforded?

Ricardo Ronda
Ricardo Ronda

Why is Wright batting 3rd? Let's be honest he's a good player, but not a 3 hitter anymore. Bat him 2nd or 5th; better yet trade him this winter while we can. He isn't worth $20 mil. I respect Wright but it's true

tango01
tango01

If Terry returns this franchise would be such a joke and it shows that this team will never compete for a championship with Sandy and his henchmen making decisions. In 4 years this team continues to play mediocre baseball. Now this year was the year that the Mets were suppose to play competitive baseball. Even Sandy threw out 90 wins, but here we stand in mid August and 7 games under .500. I'm tired of hearing the team plays hard. This team has a top 10 pitching staff in baseball this year. Out of those 10 top pitching staffs only the Mets and Padres have a less than .500 record. So I don't want to hear anything about Harvey being out this year because Terry has one of the best pitching staffs in baseball.


Look how Terry handled the whole Lagares thing earlier this year until he got heat from us fans, look at how he has kept Tejada and his .220 average with no power at short all year. Look how he would continue to start CY in the outfield over other players. Look how TDA was lost all year and everyone was declaring him a bust, they send him down to Wally and TDA comes back as the player the Mets were expecting when they traded for him. Look at his double switches, bullpen moves, inconsistent lineups. Now you want to give Terry credit for players like Duda, Mejia, Degrom, Familia? Weren't these players the Mets thought highly of and expected them to produce. How is Terry getting credit like if he improved their game. If that's the case then what happened to Wright, Grandy,under Terry. 


Bottom line is Terry has NOT won anything in his 10 years of managing. Has not taken 1 team to the playoffs. Once Terry gets fired he will not get pursued for a managerial job by any other team. This year was the year this team was suppose to show improvement and it hasn't. Now you want to trust Terry with managing next year's team. What happens when they start next year playing .500 ball and they now fire Terry mid year. Now you bring in an interim manager like Geren to take over for the rest of the year. Now you waste another year, another year for Wright. Terry was a caretaker nothing more nothing less. He is not the manager who will guide this team to several playoffs or championships over the next 5-10 years. Its time to move one, bring in a new voice, someone who will teach these players how to win not just how to play hard. Please don't waste another year for us fans. We are tired of watching a losing team. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

This offense needs to be improved ASAP and the Wilpons need to change that patient approach to building for the future and let Sandy Alderson do whatever he wants,  to lets some talented hitters immediately.

It's ludicrous how much hatred there is for any manager.  Having the 23rd highest payroll out of 30 is a disgrace.

Fire Collins,  keep Collins it won't really matter until the mindset of ownership changes.  I'm not sure which manager could get this team to the next level and compete for the playoffs as currently put together. Ownership and management don't seem as concerned with winning as they are with spending and cost containment.

As the blog has reported they haven't even had Cuban OF Rusney Castillo in for a private workout.  This is kind of crazy that any prospect with his upside hasn't been scrutinized and thoroughly checked out if the goal is to improve the offense for next year.  

jsecurity
jsecurity

Terry should do some sole searching and own up to himself that he is not qualified for this position. Then he should resign.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

So let me get this straight, Matt.  You have no problem with the Mets bringing Collins back next year, as long there is a short fuse.  Hum, shouldn't they wait for their first road trip to the West coast?

fatcerrone
fatcerrone

They guy batted Colon 8th. Enough said

George Brezny
George Brezny

Yes he should return - but in a different role - Will he return as manager - yes... I hope they wouldn't take that long to make that kind of decision but who knows what Mets leadership is thinking.... The days of using a strategy of building up fans' hopes won't work anymore. Tired of wait until next year...Time for results.. Would like more information on who baseball experts think are in line for a gm or manager role if they come available.

Ray Carattini
Ray Carattini

We need a better field general in here. I'm not talking about Bob Geren, either. I can't stomach Terry Collins any longer. When I read that he may be back in 2015, I almost puked. 

Max Denby
Max Denby

The expectations for Terry Collins are so mild blowing low.  With low expectations comes low / poor results.  This is NOT the guy to take to the next level.  With that clear, he should have been replaced long ago. 

John Iaquinta
John Iaquinta

"...an All-Star at third and second base," 

Hilarious.  When's the last time Wright was a legitimate All-Star?  2008? Murphy made it this year because there has to be 1 representative from each team.  Cerrone is delusional. 

Tormented Mets Fan
Tormented Mets Fan

So in regards to Terry being less phased by losing, he hasn't had a winning season since 1998. The next year the Angels clubhouse revolted and sent him packing. 10 years later he comes back to manage us no more than 77 wins

He has NEVER been in the postseason

EVER

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

Matt Cerrone deep down seems to know Terry should go but he wants to "trust Sandy" blah blah


I have seen a lot of more of the same from Terry. Not as bad as some think, but not someone I want to see long term. Like was said on the WFAN last night, imagine if someone like the manager of the Orioles was managing.  Same amount of wins?


Terry has to go.  This Wally love is another matter.  I have no real idea how the guy will manage.  But, someone else probably should start in '15. 

gpopper
gpopper

20-35 would not be a weak start, it would be an horrendous start in anybodys book. There are more excuses made for Collins by the front office, by Collins himself, and by the commentators of this blog especially. It's obvious to the majority of fans that Collins is just not cutting it as a manager. Even given the lack of talent Collins has been stuck with, he has managed to make it worse than it is. He seems to be clueless on how to operate a bullpen, he makes some terrible decisions during the games that often lead to losses and his lineups until recently have been a joke. There's no consistency in the teams game plan. I don't dislike the man, I just don't think the team will win with him at the helm.

I would like to see Wally as the manager, but I doubt that will ever happen with Alderson calling the shots. At least, hire a manager that has the qualities Wally has, no nonsense, baseball savvy, not a yes man but loyal to the organization, etc. All in all, it's disgusting what has happened to this organization and all involved should be completely ashamed of themselves for allowing it to happen.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

Can someone please tell me one baseball reason there is for keeping Terry on next year? I don't want to hear about how the Wilpons don't want to pay him his salary. I also don't want to hear about how bad the roster is. I'm not interested in hearing the excuses for why their records under him have been so poor; I can read Cerrone's blog for that. I'd like someone to say one thing they've actually seen Terry do over the past 4 years that would suggest he's actually EARNED another year to manage the team.

tw22
tw22

Collins' tenure as manager should end on Sept. 28. Bump him up if he wants to stay in the organization but as a game manager he is done. Keeping him on as manager is s sign that the organization has no faith that they will be contenders next season, or even in the conversation. Time to give Backman his shot, with what I presume will be a better offensive team to go along with the improved rotation, with the addition of Harvey and above average bullpen.

grillruben
grillruben

Extending losers, and not even bothering to workout a potential bargain/gem player. That's the Mets for you.

openmind6
openmind6

Some of these commemts are hysterical. "Terry enjoys losing" Terry doesn't care if they lose"? Really? I agree he is in over his head with this job, and appears very burnt out. But to say he doesn't care if they win is just dumb.

DMMP
DMMP

@Alan J Tepper Yeah I'm pretty sure THIS year was the year that was talked up as the "turning point" year as long as I can remember. That 14' would be the year we see relevancy (speaking of which, this "rebuild" is starting to get into historically long rebuilding kind of time. We've been pretty much in a rebuild since 08'...)  We should at least be starting to see improvement, not decline or even staying the same year after year if this rebuild was truly working...  You hear the names, you see the guys come up that were touted so much... The Wheelers, the Harveys, the Montero's...  The d'Arnauds... ETC... and things are STILL where they were years ago in the standings, and in some cases worse! It amazes me things are allowed to continue the course.  Insanity... trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.  

DMMP
DMMP

@mustang66 I'm with you... I want this team to collapse at the back half here for multiple reasons... And the fact that I want a collapse from the team I love is just sickening.  My rational... 1. Gets Collins out of town.  As far as I recall, he was supposed to be the stop-gap manager till a winning team came around... and to me, I've seen nothing to suggest that he's doing a job better than even a rookie manager could do.  He "holds the team together" but they continue to lose.  So apparently he holds them together but not very well... That's what I'll say about that...  2. Better draft pick next year.  Speaks for itself. If you're gonna be lousy, might as well get better players out of that.  3. Protected pick.  - Gives some offseason leverage.  4.  Declining attendance... Maybe give a wake-up call to ownership... but I doubt it. 5. Give the young guys a chance to play more... At least see what we have.  I expect Syndergaard to be here in september even if he's not 100% ready. I'd rather give him his cup of tea in no shot no pressure september than in a potential playoff chase (Barring the team makes the right moves this offseason to maybe contend next season... And to me that starts with new management.)

mets74
mets74

@mustang66 Actually, he did have a winning record every year from '94-'98, first three with Houston and the last two with Anaheim.

nncyel
nncyel

@Not4Nutten He wasn't sleeping. He had his eyes closed praying that either Flores or Nieuwenheis or Campbell or Granderson could've come through with a hit that would've won the game for the Mets. Didn't happen. But ok chalk last night up to another win TC gave away.

psi1
psi1

They don't care what we think. That's why I'm on here commenting while watching a pre-season football game while I'm sure the Mets are somewhere scoring 1 run.

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Post of the Year

Cheryl Ann
Cheryl Ann

Your kidding right. In 2012 DW hit practically .400 through June and was robbed that year for Gold Glove by Chase Headley. Was fine last year before injury. Yes, this year is down year for sure but doesn't take away from All Star years.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Joe Paulson I think the Wally love is a combination of 3 factors: 1. His success as a minor league manager. 2. He'd actually come cheap enough that the fan base believes the team could afford to hire him if they wanted to. and of course 3. The connection to the '86 team.


If not for all 3 of those factors, I don't think the fan base would be as in love with him overall as it is. As I said in another post, of course the vast majority would prefer to have Joe Maddon, but we all pretty much accept that Wilpons would never ante up enough to bring him here. So of the guys who are actually "gettable" financially, Wally does have the most allure by far.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@gpopper Seriously, that's .363 baseball. If that wouldn't get him fired, what would?

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@openmind6 that's fair -- at times, I think people have a right to gripe but they do so in somewhat unfair ways.  This often isn't that helpful. 

gangsta
gangsta

How about he doesn't care enough? Does that work for your open mind ?

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@openmind6 I don't think it's so much that anyone thinks he "enjoys" losing, or even that he doesn't care. But there comes a point sometimes where it seems that a manager/coach in a bad situation has simply come to accept losing. And Terry does give the impression he's reached that point with some of the things he says in the media. They'll lose a game in the 9th, and he'll talk about how "we were in that one to the end." Or a batter will go 0-5, and he'll bring up the "2 good ABs" he had at the end of the game.

I think the term you used, burned out, is pretty appropriate for what I'm talking about here. He just seems to have accepted defeat, to me at least. And even though it might not be all, or even mostly his fault, the moment a manager does that I think you need to move on to the next guy.

jsecurity
jsecurity

Sorry, typing during a meeting. soul.

George Brezny
George Brezny

@Cheryl Ann  First time Wright didn't make the all star team ...e in about a half dozen years. He is down this year but  unlike some other guys complaining its obvious he's hurt... yet still hitting 270 plus and probably 90 rbi's at the end of the year...... and as you can see, still playing great defense... Murphy is coming in to his prime... Yes...it was between him and Wright.. so what... Jeter made it on his name alone this year... that was a farce... but I understand why they did it... So, leave Murphy alone... You all will regret it if they get rid of him... I have my thoughts as to why some Met fans loathe both these guys... but enough said... Glad you stuck up for both of them Cheryl. Not even the focus of this post...That said ..go Mets.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@Eddie_Dean @Joe Paulson I'm okay with the idea that among those they are most likely to get he seems like the best bet ... on some level ... and they like the '86 Mets connection but some seem to be basically of the idea Wally will obviously thrive.  Who knows?  There might be some other cheap option that will do very good too.  I don't know. 

gpopper
gpopper

Shrugging my shoulders, nothing apparently in this organization.

gangsta
gangsta

He needs to retire already, I believe everyone would prefer to win but some people are hungrier than others

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@George Brezny @Cheryl Ann It just amazes me how much some people harbor such venom for the "face of the franchise".  No patience, just complete contempt for a guy who plays through all sorts of injuries.  He broke his back, and finally had to be ordered to go on the DL.

The man is a warrior, and dedicated player.  It's such a shame that people are disappointed in him since he can't play at shortstop, left field, and come out of the bullpen at the same time he is at third.

Sorry Mr. Iaquinta, but Matt Harvey hasn't completed a full year in the Majors yet, and Daniel Murphy is just not icon material.