Opinion: Get after it, Duda

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The Mets hoped Ike Davis or Lucas Duda would stay healthy, step up and become their primary first baseman during Spring Training.

It didn’t happen. They were both hurt and barely played. The competition spilled in to the regular season, where it continued to lack momentum. So, after months of talking with teams about their ‘trade value,’ the Mets anointed Duda the winner and traded Davis to the Pirates.

“I’m hoping that now Lucas doesn’t have to worry about looking over his shoulder and wonder – if he’s 0-for-4 – whether Ike’s going to play,” Terry Collins said after the trade was announced. “He’s it, so maybe now he can relax and go play.”

Duda failed in a critical spot Saturday, flying out to the warning track with the tying run at the plate in the eighth inning. The next day, with the tying runs on in the ninth, he drew a walk.


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“He’s got to go produce,” Collins said Saturday. “He’s our guy. We know what you can do, now let’s go do that.”

Based on their production the last few seasons, Duda (against right-handed pitching) and Josh Satin (against left-handed pitching) should be able to hit roughly .250 with a .370 OBP, around 25 home runs and 35 or so doubles.

“This production would make for a well above-average offensive first baseman, tied with Prince Fielder for 11th best OPS among qualified first basemen in 2013,” Maggie Wiggin explained last year (MetsBlog, Dec. 2013).

Terry Collins hit Curtis Granderson second Sunday. Duda hit sixth, behind Chris Young. I’d like to see Terry Collins just put Duda in the clean-up spot. It’s the role and mindset they want him to have, so let him own it all in one move. Why baby him? He’s had enough of that in his career. He’s shy and soft-spoken. However, to be where he’s at, he’s obviously a competitor. He’s risen to the challenge every step of his career, which has been riddled with people second-guessing his ability.

Plus, nothing is permanent. If he doesn’t work out, he doesn’t work out. It’s worth noting that Davis was not going to work out either. He looked like someone who had been beaten down and desperately needed a new start. I’m convinced he’ll hit 30 home runs again. I’m also convinced it would never have happened here. So, Duda gets his day. Great. He should also get it batting fourth, playing most every day, where he’s allowed to stand tall and get the best chance to succeed. And, if he doesn’t, Sandy Alderson will eventually move on and see if someone else will…

“If you don’t produce, you’re not going to play no matter what the situation is,” he said. “If I don’t get the job done, then they’ll bring in somebody else. That goes for everybody. That’s how I view it.”




138 comments
Patrick
Patrick

This is a pure disaster! I wish they'd get whatever they can for Duda (ala Ike) and just turn the page on this nonsense. 

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

"Based on their production the last few seasons, Duda (against right-handed pitching) and Josh Satin (against left-handed pitching) should be able to hit roughly .250 with a .370 OBP, around 25 home runs and 35 or so doubles."

It's like listening to a song on repeat - of nothing but ear piercing static.  Josh Satin is a career minor league hitter with very little talent whose numbers last year were incredible luck infused (his babip vs lefties was one point away from Babe Ruth for a single season).  Considering how pathetic he's looked this season I would be in utter shock if he doesn't continue to fully regress.

hashburry
hashburry

So this opinion is what results when you fall and hit your head on a keyboard.

dgdg
dgdg

Duda is softer than wet cardboard.


Steven G
Steven G

If Duda's role is to hit in the number 4 spot, put him there now. No need to coddle a grown man along. He got the starting first baseman position, now put him where you want him to produce in the batting order and let him go for it. Shuffling things around for another month while moving him closer to being the number 4 is pointless. If Duda can do it, now is the time. 

johnsec125
johnsec125

any free agent first baseman next year we can sign? oh, the wilpons. never mind.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

Why do certain players seem to have a troll army against them? I mean we know who's not great, but the backlash is so unnecessary, plus after all the negative spin about Murphy the last couple of years, who would believe these critical pile ons anymore?

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

This organization over-values Duda. If they could just go to his statistics they would find that this guys homeruns only are completely and utterly meaningless soloshots. His game is failing in big spots such as Saturday and Sunday. 

yankeehater
yankeehater

Through almost an 8th of the season wright and granderson are on pace to hit 8 hrs each....murphy and C young don't have one yet.....and these are supposed to be 4 of our top 6 hitters. And we're reading articles about Lucas Duda???????

Jordan Moskowitz
Jordan Moskowitz

Ok so what the hell are we going to do with ER Jy. when Lagares gets back.  He causes so much trouble on the bases.  I wouldn't say this last season but he's already leading the league in steals and tied for 5th in runs.  There is no way we can let him rot on the bench.  Are we just going to sue him as a pinch runner like Billy Hamilton?

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

I'd rather see Q and Seratelli platoon than watch another at bat from tejada

yankeehater
yankeehater

The funny thing is that Duda is on pace to hit 25+ hr's/ 80+ rbi's and he has a decent enough average and obp....he's also not a total hack at 1st base. While he might not be a true big bopper, he hasn't been a problem for the mets this year. Our main problems are :Granderson has done zero, darnaud has done very little, we have almost zero HR power (as is always the case), we hit for a pathetic average overall as a team (29th out of 30 teams), and our BP is below average at best.

Duda is NOT the problem with the Mets right now/

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Duda is a moneyball gm's dream. But unfortunately saber metrics is only used to find the good in bad players. To all of us that watch baseball for what it is, it is very clear to see that Duda is a bottom 5 1st baseman. Ike Davis frustrated me more than any player we've had in the past 5 years, but atleast we knew what he was capable of when his head was on straight.

vince1234
vince1234

Thank you so much. I've been saying this for soo long. we decide to go with Duda he's the starter ..he plays everyday no more Satin talk.

hashburry
hashburry

@cmetsfan  Why do you care?  Do negative opinions of Duda, or anyone else, affect their ability to play?

nwmets
nwmets

@cmetsfan  It's only people expressing their opinions, which seem to take on more value in a blog like this, but they're still just opinions.


I like to form my own opinions -- for example, despite the prevailing sentiment, I know that Luis Castillo was an excellent player and contributed a lot to the Mets while he was here, and I have the stats to prove it.

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

At least someone is watching the games. Duda is almost Wright-esque with his meaningless hits, except Wright gets more hits obviously.

yankeehater
yankeehater

@Jordan Moskowitz Tell murph to learn how to play short and move young jr to 2nd. That's the only option other than sitting lagares or having a crazy 4 man OF rotation.

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

Replace tejada and d'arnaud with Q and recker and we win just like all season

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

Another guy who watches the games. Duda like a lot of Mets don't hit in the clutch I.e. Late in games when the game hangs in the balance. That's just a lack of talent. There are players on this roster who FOLD after the 6th inning. Duda is simply one of many.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@Zach Goeringer  I know what Duda's capable of. Taking a walk. Singling to some part of the field with one hand or smashing the ball 6,000 feet, with some decent defense ability. That's what Duda is capable of. 

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

He's a bottom 5 but batting in the . 270 area with 4 home runs which is most on the team

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@hashburry 1. I read these comment sections because once in a while there is some insight, but you have to shift through 50 mults carrying on arguments why Murphy is over rated or Duda walked, when if either of them were doing as bad as Tejada or Granderson, maybe there's a reason for that kind of clutter, but in reality it's just overly emotional trolling static.


People if you're an Ike Davis fan, the trade shouldn't stop you, but Ike had such a bad time here, Duda became the option. He wasn't the plan, but let's figure out if he has strengths instead of acting like he was made a starter with a specific purpose, because he wasn't, he just out hit Ike, who wasn't doing it here.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@nwmets  Stats can be interpreted in many self serving ways, but since I'm not a stat authority and I'm not interested in a Luis Castillo discussion whom I think people also objected to on character traits as well as an infamous pop up drop, I don't want to entertain that discussion, especially in a purely stat-centric focus. 

hashburry
hashburry

@yankeehater Wow, advocating the worst defensive infield ever in MLB.  I guess that's one way to go.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

I don't see SS in Murphy's future as he's barely adequate defensively at 2nd. The easy decision on the OF situation is to sit EY. He does create havoc on the bases, but he just doesn't get on base enough. His career OBP of .326 is just not that good.

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

Not that our outfield is very good but the 4 man thing works with the dodgers

yankeehater
yankeehater

@Zac Tindall Q is a non-factor just like tejada. Recker is an excellent once or twice a week catcher but that is all. Darnaud is an infinitely better hitter than Recker can ever be...he just needs to start doing it.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@JimmyBX182 Oh please.  There's little to no correlation to support "clutch" players.  The issue is that there's way too many inferior players that are ALSO terrible in clutch spots.  Considering the team batting numbers on this team are attrocious, it makes perfect sense they'd be failing in the clutch spots as much as they are in the 3rd inning.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@mets2death @Zach Goeringer Duda doesn't produce in any of the facets of the game, that's my point. I don't really care if his head is on straight or not he doesn't help my team reguardless.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@hashburry  1. have enjoyed some things posted by posters, even if you experience it differently than I do.. Once in a while a disagreement will even be interesting, but mostly it's over done and annoying to have to scroll through. If you experience it differently, then that's you.


2. I lost my train of thought and didn't bother with a two. You're nitpicking though. That's more annoying stuff to scroll through.


Besides if you think nobody posts anything actually interesting, but you still visit the comment section to post, that's a big contradiction.   

hashburry
hashburry

@cmetsfan @hashburry  Where's your # 2?  Frankly there is almost nothing on this blog, opinion or otherwise, by the staff or the patrons of any importance.  It's all just yammering.  If it wasn't for all the benign banter, it wouldn't exist.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@hashburry @yankeehater Uneducated fans don't worry about defense in this Video Game/Fantasy Baseball driven world.

"I won my fantasy league last year, I should GM the Mets"

"I took this version of the Mets to the WS in MLB14 for PS3, why aren't they winning in real life?" 

When all else fails, propose trades that no GM would agree to.  And when THAT fails, just lower the difficulty level on the Xbox.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

His OBP this year is actually .342. Certainly better than his career mark, but nothing to get real excited about even if he could maintain that for a full season. You're probably right about the rotation, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

mets2014
mets2014

@Pete Brilvitch his obp so far this year is 347, plus he has 11 BBs...I imagine they will bring back lagares very very slowly and when he arrives there will be a rotation

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

I'm not saying take the job from Travis saying ATM he isn't too hot

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

Q takes the walk when tejada swings at ball four

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

Lmao!!!! Spoken like a true stathead. You're talking to someone who has played with cowards who didn't have the heart to swing the bat. You NONS (guys who never played any sports) don't understand what it means to perform under pressure. Had you been in one of those spots as a player, you would know why the term "clutch player" is tossed around to talk about pro athletes. Takes heart to swing the bat confidently when the game is on the line.

Greg Nichols
Greg Nichols

It's April and it's cold. The ball flys out more in the summer. So people extrapolating hr numbers now is silly. The ball he hit on Saturday night would be 25 rows back on a warm night.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@Zach Goeringer  Ike was tradeable, so another team took him. That's about all I can concede in Ike being better than Duda. As far as production here, for the mets, I don't believe Ike was gonna give us more, any time soon.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@Zach Goeringer  It's there already, if you don't know it by now, ya maybe aint never gonna know...

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Ike also is getting paid more than Duda, and as I said the talent evaluation this team is terrible so I don't expect them to make the right decision even with the money issue aside.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@Zach Goeringer     All I know is, if Duda is as bad as you say, think of how much Ike declined in order to lose his job to Duda. 

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@cmetsfan @Zach Goeringer Not really. He was awful the first half of that season and was one of the best power hitters in baseball in the 2nd half of that season. So did the pitchers change their approach to ike's benefit in the middle of the season? Duda has had more at bats than Ike in 2 out of the past 3 seasons and hasn't even approached 20 homers. There is nothing special about him, he is a zero tool player. And the more people that try and sift throught the crap to find anything good about Duda the more the problem is compounded.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@Zach Goeringer Well time will tell, but whether or not Duda hits 30 home runs for us, doesn't mean Ike was ever gonna do that in a mets uniform again. 

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@Zach Goeringer   Doesn't look like you're using the actual definition of accident. The pitchers took an approach that year, and they've since adjusted it. Whatever you call that.  

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@Zach Goeringer Ike hit those homers because he was mostly an easy out even that season, so pitchers were challenging him on his bad foot. Plus it was two years ago. 

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

Ike plays better D did you watch last year?