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Noah Syndergaard could pitch in relief, capped around 160 IP

In a must-read article for the Daily News, John Harper wrote about his day in Texas hanging out with Mets RHP Noah Syndergaard.

Harper talked with Noah’s past teammates, coaches and scouts about the young pitcher’s potential, and said:

  • “He’s got a lot of Matt Harvey in him.”
  • “Syndergaard comes off as very level-headed, even humble.”
  • “Syndergaard squats 455 pounds and dead-lifts 512.”
  • “Scouts say he has a natural feel for pitching.”

In a report for ESPN New York, Adam Rubin says Syndergaard will throw no more than 160 innings in 2014, based on how the team has handled innings limits for Harvey and Zack Wheeler.

According to Paul DePodesta, “The Mets will not delay the start to Syndergaard’s season in order to ensure he has enough innings in the tank late,” explains Rubin. Instead, he adds, the Mets could use Syndergaard in relief to get him more innings in the big leagues, such as the Cardinals did Michael Wacha and their other young pitchers last season.

“I wake up every day with the idea of giving it everything I’ve got,” Syndergaard told Harper. “I want to make it to the big leagues and pitch against the best. Hopefully I can make it to the Hall of Fame someday. Win a couple of Cy Youngs. Win a couple of World Series rings for the Mets.”


Read More: Syndergaard could follow path of Matt Harvey to become next pitching phenom (Daily News)




77 comments
Mike Dupp
Mike Dupp

I hope he turns out better than celebrity Harvey.

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how can these two statements be typed in succession?


  • “He’s got a lot of Matt Harvey in him.”
  • “Syndergaard comes off as humble.”


bryan145
bryan145

They should use him like the Cardinals used Adam Wainwright during the 2006 season

Ziggy Jones
Ziggy Jones

i'm sick of hearing about the mets' "plans" for their young guys. You know why the Cardinals win? b/c when one pitcher goes down, they don't have to punt a whole season like we do. they get the next guy and plug him in. You know why the yankees win? b/c when they have a down year or two, they go out and sign all the guys they want, like a big market team. it doesn't matter if you use one or the other (or trades), but the mets are the type of people that would rather make a risky gamble instead of a worthwhile investment b/c they don't have the money to spend.


I'm not saying the mets should just bring all the young guys to the majors, or just overspend for whoever. But their plan always seems to focus around the present and not as much the future.


My hopes are that once they start to develop a pipeline of talent coming through their system, they can start operating like the cards and just plug holes when someone goes down. No one is too valuable, but everyone has their place. The mets are just really bad at doing this it seems

Michael Bimonte
Michael Bimonte

If we keep bringing up a top pitching prospect every year we have to be good eventually...right?

Vin Santiago
Vin Santiago

He's a pitcher who dead lifts half 500 pounds, theres a hammer that he summons when in need of a strike out. 

Sidd
Sidd

Plug Syndergaard into the rotation in April and let him learn on the job, in the bigs.  I am tired of all this pussy-footing around with pitchers.  Nolan Ryan and Tom Seaver never believed in pitch counts, and both of them cut their teeth in the major leagues.

Anthony Ascanio
Anthony Ascanio

This organization really is clueless when it comes to pitching development ...they draft great prospects and ruin them with their cookie-cutter pitching philsilophy..they take the fastball away and aggressiveness away and make these kids think too much on the mound ..this is why Bobby Ojeda quit as a coach in the organization...they weren't teaching a bulldog style, winning philosophy but rather a "save your strength" pitch count crap

mets2891
mets2891

Yeah, that innings limit really worked wonders with Harvey.

hashburry
hashburry

The comparison of having him pitch in relief to guys like Wacha, et al is somewhat off base.  Those pitchers were not put in the bullpen to manage inning count.  They were playing for winning clubs and added a valuable piece to the team down the stretch.  There is no way that as Thor reaches his predetermined innings limit, the Mets will benefit from his being in the pen as they will be long out of the playoff picture.  People should stop trying to compare how the Mets do things with winning franchises, its apples and oranges.

Steve C Schumacher
Steve C Schumacher

Where do they get these ideas from? Keep him as a starter but with fewer starts and stop babying these guys!

flushed
flushed

"Humble"? I guess he doesn't have that much Harvey in him.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Just bring him north with the team and start the guy every five days. Nothing like on-the-job training. Does anybody out there really want to see Freddie Garcia or Bruce Chen taking this guy's spot in the rotation?

dv92
dv92

Why in the HELL would you put him in the bullpen?? Thats gotta be the dumbest thing I've heard. Keep him on track with what Harvs and Wheels did. This kid is gonna be too good to have him rot away in the bullpen.

Rocky Schirripa
Rocky Schirripa

Notice they use Michael Wacha as an example and not Adam Wainwright..... I wonder why..... Oh, David Price too.

Frank D
Frank D

As long as we don't get a Joba situation, this is a solid plan.  Throwing a baseball is such a wonky motion that when you factor in the speed at which they can do it, it's no surprise there are injuries.  Injuries are not an exact science, so any attempt to curb them in young pitchers is best.


My issue is with people who constantly talk about the old times where pitchers throw for a ton more innings.  The issue isn't how the players are handled now, but how they are handled through their youth.  Ron Darling always talks about how he didn't throw breaking balls until he was older.  Nowadays, kids are learning these pitches at young ages.


I'm 24 and played high school ball, and every pitcher needed at least 3 pitches.  Most all of these pitchers learned them when they are young.  All MLB clubs can do is try to mitigate the possible damages on the pitchers when they were young.


It's essentially a losing battle.  

Doug Cioffi
Doug Cioffi

No!!! Don't ruin him. If he's a starter then leave him alone

billyfitz
billyfitz

Pick two rookies and make them both the 5th starter.   Plan to pitch them 5 and 4 innings each turn, alternating who starts.  They will stay within the 160 inning limit for the season and determine who is ready to step up to a full time starter.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

I believe that neither innings limits, nor starting in the bullpen makes any difference as far as injuries go. Most power pitchers at one time or another, is going to need TJS no matter how careful they are. 

It will be interesting to see if Nolan Ryan's Rangers can show that throwing more when younger can avoid those injuries. I've read an article saying that over 100 pitchers in MLB have had TJS, so want ever they are doing it isn't working.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

this is fine, because Noah will be up as a starter in the Majors first, I'm sure. So if it's late august and he's around 145 innings with combined STARTS in AAA and ML, and they want to spread his last 15 innings out over some relief appearances, that's fine...


i think what most people don't want to see is him come into camp as a starter, do well, then stay with the big league team in the bullpen, only to get hit hard or god forbid possibly hurt, sent down to Vegas and goes back to starting, dominates, then he has to come back up because he's doing so well, makes a couple of relief appearances while waiting for a chance to start up here, etc etc....that's how players get messed up and shows a lack of planning and management from your team. 

That paragraph was a pain in the arss to read, imagine how it would feel to SEE a prized prospect like Noah go THROUGH it a la Mejia a few years back!!


Let him start in AAA until June, maybe even have a 6 inning limit (or pitch count limit) while hes in Vegas, then he can come up and get his starts in the Majors until he gets his 160 in.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

Starter > Reliever > Starter > Reliever = Joba Chamberlin.

Can't argue with success.

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

Why am I getting visions of Aaron Heilman?

dooley
dooley

OT: Tanaka signs with Yankees for 7 yrs $155 million

Rocky Schirripa
Rocky Schirripa

@dv92 Plenty of dominant pitchers get time in the bullpen early in their careers to cap innings limits. It's all about being managed properly. (Adam Wainwright, David Price, Kris Medlin, Johan Santana, etc)

Frank D
Frank D

@billyfitz This is dumb.  You have 25 roster spots to work with.  You want to waste a spot on a guy who is going to pitch 4 innings every fifth day? 

slainte2
slainte2

@Kevin VanTassell 

Forget about injuries .. what about effectiveness?  if these guys have pitches and and innings rationed from elementary school/high school on up, do they have the endurance to all of a sudden be pitching into 7th and 8th innings and still be as effective?  third or fourth time thru lineup?   if you want to go the Nolan Ryan route, should start that in Rookie League, not MLB rookie season.


Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Kevin VanTassell It's very alarming to see how many young kids are having TJ. My son plays one of these supposed "elite" showcase teams and by the end of the summer three of the pitchers had TJ surgery. And this day and age it's treated like it's just expected. I know it's not nearly as big a deal as it used to be but it's still major surgery

dabo
dabo

@Kevin VanTassell You have to believe that pitchers need the surgery before they start pitching in the majors.  Sooner or later all pitchers will need the TJS and teams would be lucky to have all pitchers healthy for one year.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@Kevin VanTassell Also interesting that a generation ago pitchers could throw 50% more innings per season than they are allowed to now.

mets2014
mets2014

@Mr. SERCH I agree serch...it's funny many major league pitchers have a hard time reaching 160 innings when their goal is to pitch 200+...how many starters pitched 160 innings for the mets last year?  I don't see this as a big issue...they just need to monitor the situation and make the best choice if and when the time comes

Hodges14
Hodges14

@dooley Well the Mets got Lannan and Colon. Isn't that the same?

nolrog
nolrog

@dooley See, that is how a big market team operates.

mets2014
mets2014

@dooley did you really think he was going anywhere else? lol

dv92
dv92

@Rocky Schirripa @dv92 Yeah, good point...I just like the plan so far though. It worked for Harvey and Wheeler. There's not a doubt in my mind that Thor will be okay on that track also. 

billyfitz
billyfitz

@Frank D@billyfitz He'd replace a reliever.  No Mets reliever averaged more than 3 innings a week in 2013.  That spot in the rotation would be more likely to finish a game without going to the bullpen.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Hopefully Ryan stays in charge in Texas so they can see the difference from rookie ball. I know it's too late for pitchers who have been babied their first few pro seasons.

dooley
dooley

It also indicates that the Yankees have a poor farm system

Hodges14
Hodges14

@nolrog @dooley It's how a team that wants to win operates.  Especially after a disappointing season.

Rocky Schirripa
Rocky Schirripa

@dv92 @Rocky Schirripa Don't be surprised to see Matt Harvey start out 2015 in the bullpen considering we will have a SP surplus and he will likely have a nice innings limit on him post TJ surgery. I would much rather have him start in the pen Medlin style than get shut down in september. 

dooley
dooley

Dude calm down. We haven't even played a game yet

Hodges14
Hodges14

@dooley Who cares?  Are you really saying you care more about the farm system than winning at the major league level?  

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Hodges14@metzfan22@nolrog@dooley 

Yankees started winning when Steinbrenner was banned from baseball and they focused on building a winner from within... Then continued to win despite Steinbrenner's influence to sign every big name player (who turned out good or bad). 

Like the NFL overly involved owners are just a bad as what the wilpons are. Let the GM's do what they know how to do. 

Hodges14
Hodges14

@metzfan22 @Hodges14 @nolrog @dooley  

The Yankees have been winning for 20 years and more or less since the Steinbrenner's took over. I'd say the direction they follow is more proven than what the Wilpons are doing.