Jon Niese 12 (Baron)

What’s on Tap: Niese faces Reds at 1 pm on SNY

Jon Niese will make his first start since being activated from the disabled list when the Mets face the Reds at 1:10 pm.

The game will air live on SNY and WOR 710 AM radio.

Niese is not likely to throw more than 95 pitches, Terry Collins told reporters before Saturday’s game.

Niese hyperextended his elbow during a game in mid-March, as well as had an MRI on his shoulder earlier this spring. He missed several starts last season as a result of a torn rotator cuff.

This past week, he pitched in a minor-league game and a simulated game in preparation for his start Sunday against the Reds.




73 comments
cleonsvan
cleonsvan

I know Terry doesn't have the capacity to think outside the box, but he should start thinking about using Valverde for more than one inning to close out games.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

I hope Niese does well today, but I'm not feeling it. I see Niese as the carrot to bring a hitter back to the Mets next year. He's a lefty, has a decent contract and just good enough. But let's face it, with Harvey, Colon, Gee, Mejia, Wheeler, Montero, Syndegaard, there's no room unless Colon is moved and Harvey suffers a setback. I don't see Montero or Thor not making it with their stuff and presence.

tommets
tommets

Two very important things need to happen if this lineup has the chance to succeed. First one of the first basemen has to produce efficiently. I don't care who it is but if Duda or Ike can hit well on an everyday basis this lineup could work very differently. I have much more confidence in Ike being that guy. Also Chris Young needs to come back. His swing looked really good in Spring Training. He'd be a great piece of some power with contact and speed in the lineup. I truly think the lineup should be:


CF Lagares

2B Murphy

3B Wright

1B Davis

RF Granderson

LF C. Young

C d'Arnaud

SS Tejada

P

Now, I honestly don't think that's that bad of a lineup. The one fault would be the strikeout factor with Davis and Granderson back to back. If it becomes that big of an issue Granderson and Murphy can be switched in the order. Now another thing, tell me that Stephen Drew would increase this lineup tons. Yes, Tejada isn't doing horribly, but I think Drew would just change the whole look on this lineup. That's just my opinion.


dannym28
dannym28

Also did anyone think that so far our two best relievers are Valverde and Farnsworth especially after his spring 

dannym28
dannym28

Lineup: 

EY

Murph

Wright

Grandy

Ike

Lagares

TDA

Tejada

Michael J. Fenster
Michael J. Fenster

Niese is gonna be great..... We are gonna see that "post santana no hitter" pitcher that he was back in 2012... GOIN FOR THE SWEEP

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Nice to see him back.  The Mets can really use him.  It also seems that, from yesterday's game, he's new new DPT (Designated Pie Thrower).  I wonder how many of you will get on his case like you did with Justin Turner the last few years.

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

I have a feeling Niese is gonna get roughed up. Plus, the medical staff is virtually nonexistent, they probably brought him back too early.

Adam Dubbs
Adam Dubbs

Everytime it's 11:11 I wish for the Mets to sign Joel Hanrahan. I think it's become clear through the first few games (even the 2 wins) that this bullpen can be our a downfall and needs to be improved upon. SA needs to address this issue and not stand pat with guys who aren't performing. Either it's the next guy up from AAA or add from outside the org. Not adding Hanrahan who was throwing 90-92 3 weeks ago would be a huge mistake.

erin2anti
erin2anti

@ nolrog as usual u skip reading the article and jump right to make comments


adam
adam

So from the Reds standpoint, be patient, take pitches, and wait til the 7th inning to pound the bullpen. It makes the games exciting I'll give that to Sandy. No lead is safe, no game is over with this Pen. Valverde has been here 2 months, was cut last year, and he's our most trusted reliever. I think Sandy thought Vic Black and Edgin would be solid contributors, and with his reliance on using our young arms in the pen, which I somewhat agree with, every game is a roll of the dice and it puts added pressure on the starters to go deep into games. Also, can we try murph at leadoff and hit Duda 2nd? Nats did it with Dunn for years hitting 2. He's a high on base guy. EY looks awful.

nolrog
nolrog

I really hope Collins is a bit cautious with Niese and has him on a reasonable pitch count. 

nym68
nym68

Gee has the perfect game plan. Let them hit it to the outfield and hope it stays in the yard.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

Any Reds player that swings at a first pitch by Niece should be cut immediately. Once you get to the Mets pen, it's over.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@cleonsvan  That would be tough to justify when Leyland told TC directly that Papa Grande was suffering from "over use" a lot of last year because of the way Leyland handled him the year before...

1harris1
1harris1

@cleonsvan If they start doing that the first week of April,  Valverde will be burned out by the first week in June.

ac0814
ac0814

I like some of your ideas. However, Duda and deGrom will not net you Owings or Franklin. Plus, why sign Drew if you trade for a young SS?

I LOVE deGrom as a BP arm, at least for this season. Also, Montero needs to be in the rotation.

krayzie
krayzie

Love your entire lineup. Just don't think duda and degrom get either franklin or owings. But signing drew makes that trade less necessary

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@tommets  If Wright, Davis/Duda, Grandy and CYoung are providing adequate power (50 to 60 XBH each), what more do you need from Tejada, than what you're getting?  He's hitting .270ish, taking his walks, and playing good defense...

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@tommets I like this. It would be nice if DÁrnaud could hit his weight.

adam
adam

EY is due that's for sure. This flip flopping 1b is insane. At this point I have no idea who's better.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Speaking of medical staffs, the Braves have three starters out and the Reds have their two best relievers hurt. What does that say about their medical staffs?

Joshua Shapiro
Joshua Shapiro

@Adam Dubbs  I agree on the short leash, but you gotta give these guys a few weeks at least.  1.1 innings of pitching does not mean much overall.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

AAA bullpen worse than the Mets so far, they have given up 15 runs in the last three innings of their first three games.

nolrog
nolrog

@erin2anti It's amazing that people bury their heads in the sand when it comes to Collins and his past actions (with respect to what he says) and the fact that he started out the season this year over using everyone. 

erin2anti
erin2anti

@nolrog forgetting to read the article and going direct to the comments again eh?

nolrog
nolrog

@Christopher Masiello That should be the game plan for every team going forward.  Get into deep counts as often as possible so you can get the starter out before the 6th inning. 

chasesimms
chasesimms

@Christopher Masiello  Scary thought, but you are 100% right.   Easy game plan against the Mets. Sandy continues to be the master of building of pen. 

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@1harris1 @cleonsvan Why? Jesse and Roger did it all the time. Goose did it. I'm talking about 4 and 5 outs not three innings like those guys did. We all know that today's athlete is much more delicate and is to be treated as such.

Chris
Chris

@ac0814  Well Drew isn't a long term solution, a young player like Owings or Franklin could be, Franklin is more of a 2B so when Murphys contract is up, I could see the Mets not resigning him and possibly putting Franklin at 2B. and yeah, probably going to need to throw another prospect in there to get that deal done.

I do like deGrom and I think both him and Montero could be very valuable right now. Montero is a rotation guy and definitely will be in the rotation for 2015. 

Chris
Chris

@krayzie  It's more of a trade I'm hoping for than a realistic one, probably need to throw in another prospect for a Franklin/Owings. But that lineup would be awesome. I don't understand why Lagares isn't hitting leadoff right now. 

jdr9
jdr9

@hankypanky Agree totally. The Braves in the last few years have been the leaders in TJ surgery-Hudson had it a few years ago, Beachy and Medlin twice and O'Flarety

Chris Lyons
Chris Lyons

Chapman got hit in the face with a line drive..I don't think that has anything to do with the medical staff..

Adam Dubbs
Adam Dubbs

I agree. They all deserve a few more shots. But regardless sign Hanrahan and add any depth u can

poli42
poli42

I saw they gave up 7 last night. Yikes.

nolrog
nolrog

@hankypanky Remember the past.  Things Collins says are null and void before they pass thru his teeth. 

nolrog
nolrog

@Joe Wenzel This is the type of game that Met teams in past years would lose.  Instead of going for the sweep, they'd let down a bit, happy with taking the first two.  I really would like to see them develop some killer instinct and try to put teams down 0-2 in a series away.

nolrog
nolrog

@erin2anti So I will say it again.  I really hope Collins is a bit cautious with Niese and has him on a reasonable pitch count.

nolrog
nolrog

@erin2anti  I read the article.  Collins said that, so what?  When has he ever been restricted by something he says.  The fact that he said that makes it more likely to go over 95 pitches than not. 


Forgetting what Collins has actually done in the past and just accept what he says with blind faith again, eh?

nolrog
nolrog

@cleonsvan Mariano did it as well.  But we don't see that too much anymore though. I do think that he should be trying to get a couple innings out of a pitcher when his starter goes 6, instead of warming up and pitching 4 relievers in those games.

krayzie
krayzie

Why lagares isn't leading off is beyond me

jdr9
jdr9

@adam Wilson is on the DL- his elbow is barking again.

adam
adam

We could've had Brian Wilson for next to nothing last year..he's had a shaky start so far, but he was great last year and we really need an 8th inning guy(and 7th and 9th for that matter)..we need some depth..is Ryan Madsen still alive?? Lannon isn't a reliever..an 85mph fastball looks good to righties and lefties alike..

nncyel
nncyel

@nolrog @Joe Wenzel  There are so many things you appear to simply not understand. First off, most baseball teams win and lose about half the games they play. It doesn't matter if they won the first two games of a series or not, they're chances of winning any particular ball game is about 50:50. So it's not about letting down.


Second, baseball is not like football or basketball where effort can really vary from game to game. A team is only as good as the day's starting pitching. You can be as focused and giving as much effort as the first two games of a series and still be completely shut down by a good pitcher pitching a great game. It may appear the team is not giving maximum effort, but great pitching can make it look that way when it's really not the case. Once again it's not about letting down.


Third, the Mets starting pitcher isn't going out there thinking to himself, "hey, we won the first two games of the series, I'll guess I'll just take it easy." No, that starting pitcher is going to do everything he can to pitch a good game. Or he won't be in the rotation for very long. But some games it may not be his day. Once again, it's not about letting down.


Fourth, baseball is a game of reactions. When a ball is hit at you on defense, you react - less effort than reaction. Perhaps in the outfield you can dog it going after a fly ball, but how long do you think you'll be in the lineup when the manager sees you dogging it?