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Nelson Cruz rumors: Mets and Cruz have talked, deal unlikely

The Mets have had some dialogue with free-agent OF Nelson Cruz, but signing him is very unlikely, a source said (Daily News, Feb. 14).

Multiple reports in November indicated the Mets had interest in Cruz, because of his power.

However, prior to today, the two had not been linked in any report since Curtis Granderson was signed in December.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The Mets can afford to add a $10 million player to the team, though it might mean shedding a few dollars by demoting or cutting Ike Davis. In either case, whether Cruz or Stephen Drew, it’s not so much the money, it’s the length of the deal that is a bigger concern, at least according to people familiar with the team’s thinking.

Cruz had been asking for a five-year, $75 million deal. Insiders kept saying in December that he was likely to end up with the Mets, White Sox, Astros or Mariners, but that was before Carlos Beltran and Granderson found new homes. The Mariners are reportedly still interested, I assume the Astros are as well. But, if he’s willing to take a one- or two-year deal, I believe the Mets could become a legit option.

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eric88
eric88

Don't forget, the second highest average ticket prices last year second only to the the Red Sox {Champs}, for a Crap AAA team. Also, the second highest local TV revenue in the game. All of the other top 6 teams in MLB revenue have Payrolls in excess of 145 Million to 211 million, which averages to about double our payroll.

If anyone goes to CITI they are fools and suckers.

crimsondad
crimsondad

The thing everyone here seems to be forgetting is that the Wilpons got 25 million in new revenue from MLB for the new tv contract.That means our payroll in last years dollars is really 60 million. This and we can't afford to add a major league shortstop in Drew or a legit major league hitter in Cruz but will go with Tejada instead and one of Davis or Duda.Tell me again Matt why no one calls Sandy out on this when he talks about how he has no payroll restraints.


The only time Sandy is lying to cover the Wilpons is whenever his lips are moving.

mike23
mike23

sounds about right

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

This is why the Chris Young signing doesn't make sense. While Young might be a better defender and steal more bases, Cruz is a better hitter. And the Mets don't need better defense, especially with Lagares and Grandy out there, they need more power in that line-up. Just compare their season averages:
Cruz: 32 HR, 99 RBI, 13 SB, .268/.327/.495
CY: 24 HR, 73 RBI, 20 SB,
.235/.315/.431

I think the Mets could have signed Cruz to a one year, $10M deal. Is that level of production worth $2.5M more? I think so. 

Brian Guiseppone
Brian Guiseppone

So why bother posting about it. The owners are cheap and always looking for bargains. Sell the team to someone who wants to put a winner in the field.

Jimmy
Jimmy

Mariners want to sign Nelson Cruz. But, with SP Iwakuma out 4-6 weeks, they really need a pitcher, and probably can't afford Jimenez/Santana AND Cruz. Sandy should offer a SP and a mid-level prospect for SS Brad Miller. Both teams win

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

The team has to hope Lagares hits and D'Arnaud develops into the catcher we were promised. Murphy is fine at 2B -- bet the Yanks wouldn't mind him over there. Wright, of course. Granderson.  If you have 2/3 of an OF, the final piece can be weaker -- Chris Young and company is fine there.  Cruz doesn't sound like the best use of money there long term or even short term if he is going to take bats away from Lagares (or even Young).

So, basically you are left with 1B and SS. I'm losing patience, but sigh, Ike Davis just might give you something there.  Drew would be a good placeholder at SS until they get someone better. I still find trusting both Davis and Tejeda AND having other positions that are not total locks (and Murphy streak-y) is too much. 

Long term, they really need to get two more position players. With good starting pitching, they aren't that far from playoff contention. One more guy just might make them WC possibility material. A relief pitcher or two would be a final touch.

David Wright
David Wright

KEEP MURPH and do Drew. If only we could get out from under the bonehead Chris Young waste of 7.25M.

mets2014
mets2014

sign cruz 2 years $26M

sign drew 3 years $30M

trade murphy to Baltimore for young talent

trade davis to Pittsburgh for young talent

these moves result in a net of $13M AAV to payroll, which brings it to $100M

new lineup:

e young 2b

duda 1b

wright 3b

granderson lf

cruz rf

c young cf

drew ss

d'arnaud c

bench:

recker

satin

tejada

brown

LH power bat

Greg Baker
Greg Baker

Getting Cruz for free would downgrade the mets. He is a DH with declining skills. 


The only place you ever see his name associated with the mets, is here. 


Let it go dude.

lindro88
lindro88

Why put this up?  It says they stopped talking to him after they signed Granderson.  Its months old news.  

hashburry
hashburry

Saying the Mets can add $10M in payroll when you are not part of management, regardless of what you think you know as a blogger, is naive.  There is no real indication the Mets are in a position to add payroll and Alderson saying it to the press doesn't make it so.  Words are wind.

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

Terry demands nuggets or else he's not coming lol

drmetfan
drmetfan

The only outfield prospect we have near ready for the majors is Cesar Puello and he is not that highly regarded. So, give this fact, I say it would be a good move to sign Cruz to a 3 year deal. 

However, he MUST be desperate at this time since there is no traction on his market. Offer a 1 year deal with incentives and go from there. 

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

i rather have Cruz then Drew with Cruz we can support the weak bat of Tejada he is fine on defense not much of a lower defense then Drew could suppoly and have a legit 4th hitter and either use Grandy is the second slot or leadoff with Murphy doing the oppesite. too bad EY Jr can't play ss

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

Davis needs to stay on this team.  He has proven that he CAN BE a number 5 hitter in the lineup we desperately need.  Why would you cut him for nothing?  To save $5 million??  Duda can be sent packing, if needed, but is only $1.5 million...either way...they shouldn't have to cut anyone making less than $5 million to make room for a player who makes $10 million...........when you have an $84 million payroll in NY...

I really think Davis will work out this year.

 

Someone like Tejada though needs to be replaced with Drew.


Get Drew, and this team looks a lot better than it did yesterday.  You all undervalue him tremendously.  I live in Boston and saw him live many times this past year.  This is EXACTLY who you want on your team and you want him here for 3 years (especially since his value dropped now).  You thank god he doesn't have many suitors now, and sign him for the three years and then you have Gavin C get a taste in 2.5 years.  It makes too much sense.


To actually compete, they still need a cleanup hitter.  I'm not a huge fan of Cruz, and I don't think he's a cleanup hitter, but you can't argue that this team would be much better with Drew AND Cruz while sliding C Young to CF.  All of a sudden, this team, could compete...and for what????  A $105 million payroll which is good for middle-of-the-pack...yet they are in the NY market and it costs a family of 4 an obscene amount of money for parking, 4 tickets, 4 hot dogs, 2 sodas, and 2 beers...god forbid you buy two foam fingers too or french fries...


......And if they spent this extra $20 million and competed...they'd actually see a return on their investment for the extra money spent and a return on the other $25 million they spent.  If they don't spend this additional $20 million though, they flushed $25 million down the toilet for another 72-76 win season...

tullydew
tullydew

"The Mets can afford to add a $10 million player to the team"

BS

personman
personman

Nelson Cruz is getting old, and he's barely even good.  He can't field at all, and he's played (almost) his whole career in Texas, which is a launching pad.


Sign him and he'll remind us of Duda in the outfield.  He'll hit a bit better, maybe 250 with 22 hr over 500 PA, but he'll kill us in the field.  And he'll wind up taking ABs away from Juan Lagares, who put up a higher WAR than he did last year.  And isn't 33.

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

Why are they even bothering? They can barely afford Stephen Drew...

rben
rben

"The mets talked to Angels GM Jerry Dipoto but a trade for Mike Trout is unlikely"

eric88
eric88

@crimsondad  And 2014 was the year they promised to open the wallet big time. Instead the payroll is down , AGAIN!

mets2014
mets2014

@Brandon Lee not fair...at the time the mets signed young, it was hard to imagine cruz demand to be so low...hindsight is 20/20

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

And why would Seattle give up a kid like miller? They're building around him. Franklin has to move to 2b because he's not good enough to play SS.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Joe Paulson  Completely agree. I think so much of this season is going to come down to TDA, CY, Ike and Lagares and Tejada to how they hit. Just scary that half of our lineup is a big question mark. 

Like you, I don't like Cruz. His numbers weren't that good in Texas considering it's such a hitters park and lord knows he's not a Gold Glover! Add the PED issue and just not the right move for this team right now.

I'd love Drew but I don't think they can spend the money for him. And unless Wilpon wins Powerball, they won't be able to afford one next year so I'm afraid we are probably stuck with Tejada until someone comes up through the minors or unless SA can deal for someone young and cheap.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@David Wright  Agreed. I think SA panicked a bit on CY knowing he needed two OF's and overpaid early for CY to wrap him up. 

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@mets2014 EY Young practicably never played 2B for the Mets last year even to spell Murphy & we now want him as the everyday 2B? Meanwhile, Lagares is what? Chopped liver? I'm all for trading Davis if someone wants him. Not seeing any takers yet.  I would keep Murphy at 2B. He's one of the few positions that are okay at the moment w/o questionable marks. Leave the guy alone.

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

@Greg Baker  I don't think he'd be a bad acquisition on a 1-2 year deal.  He could be another Marlon Byrd type situation.  Comes in for a year after a PED suspension and does well. 

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

@John Paul Cullinane I really think Ike will have a good not great season thats all i want from him. a .240 average with 25 hrs and 80 RBI sign me up for that.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@personman Yes. I rather Lagares and hoping to get something out of Young -- seems a waste of 7M personally, but we have him, hope for the best. And, from what I hear, at least defensively, he's fine.

stemog
stemog

@rben Why does anyone talk? to see if there is common ground. Cruz might hit a few home runs, but he's supposedly not very good on defense. Are we willing to sacrifice defense for maybe 25 HRs? I don't know.

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

@mets2014 True. But I'd rather them have signed him to a two year $24M deal then Young at one year, $7.5M. 

Jimmy
Jimmy

The M's have 200 million reasons not to put Franklin at 2B, and they don't hate him at SS. If they need pitching badly enough, it's worth at least a phone call.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@Tarheel11 @Joe Paulson It's hard to have any faith in Tejeda though somewhere I'm sure he might fit in as a decent part of a team with more around him.  Tejeda not being at camp early doesn't help. Nor Sandy "tight lipped" Alderson repeatedly damning him with faint praise ("um we are satisfied at SS given it is February').

This off-season will be a disappointment, to be honest, if they don't get another major acquisition.

mets2014
mets2014

@Joe Paulson @mets2014 in this scenario murphy would be traded for salary relief so he couldn't play 2B...e young's natural position is 2b so it wouldn't be an issue it would actually be a defensive upgrade...lagares would better served playing everyday in AAA rather than riding the pine 

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

@Ron Davis @John Paul CullinaneI really think that can happen.  I even think .260 is a possibility for avg and he could have more RBI's - especially if Drew/Cruz were here, but 25 HR's seem spot-on with what I'm thinking and I'd be happy with that.  His glove is just fine at first as well.  It just kills me so much that they COULD sign Drew and Cruz and make this team competitive without really losing anything other than crappy-round draft picks...but they won't.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

Conceptually I completely agree. But not Franklin. He was moved to 2b in the minors because he isn't good enough to play SS. I'm all for trading for a SS but it's very difficult to do. And Franklin isn't the right piece. If you're going to go with Murphy at 2b then you better make sure you have a legit ML SS. I'd rather see them go after a Sardinas from Texas or a Mondesi from KC. They are bonafide SS. not sure what it would take to get them though. And I wouldn't give up Syndergaard or wheeler for anybody down in minors. You never know who might fail to make it to the show but if rather miss with a pitcher of their caliber than a SS

Jimmy
Jimmy

Franklin played SS in the Minors and briefly in the Majors. Yes, they would love to keep Miller at SS, but they might consider trading him for Wheeler, who I think will be injury prone (my opinion).

If you can't afford players, you have to trade for them. If you want good players, you have to trade something good to get them. This is the reality right now. If not with the Mariners, we should be calling the Indians (or any team with good depth at SS), and trading from strength. No matter how good your pitching is, you cannot expect to win without strong up-the-middle defense, and a good leadoff hitter. For proof of this, see Harvey's record last year. It's time for Sandy to start thinking outside the box, and taking some risks, IMO.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

Franklin is not a shortstop at the ml level. So they should give up their SS for a pitcher? You willing to give them Thor or wheeler?

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@mets2014 @David WrightThe point would be that it doesn't really improve the team. You lose a good bat and team presence (when I think "Met," EY Young doesn't come to mind) for "talent" that might or might not work and a few million dollars saved in payroll. Bad deal. If he was part of a trade for a good SS or something, fine. I'll be listening. In effect trading him for Cruz also doesn't do it for me.

mets2014
mets2014

@David Wright I like murph, but if it meant dealing him to improve the team, you have to consider it

mets2014
mets2014

@fhc1224 @mets2014@Joe Paulson first off unless you watch Colorado games regularly your analysis of e young's play at 2B is useless...on the flip side, I assume you watch the mets regularly and to say murphy is a better defensive player than ANY 2B tells me you are smoking something funny

fhc1224
fhc1224

@mets2014 @Joe Paulson E Young was given many chances to win a 2b job in Colorado.  Last season alone the Rockies used 4 other people at 2b without Young getting time there before getting rid of him.  It may be his natural position but he does not play it very well.  Between his weak arm on turning the DP, lousy footwork & questionable hands, he would actually be a step down defensively from Murphy.

mets2014
mets2014

@Joe Paulson @mets2014 e young did not play 2b last year because the mets had murphy there already as well as the worst OF in baseball...young was filling a void in the OF...IMO duda would make a pretty good 2 hitter since he finds a way to get on and hasn't really showed the ability to drive in runs...perhaps in 2008 $6M was not a big salary for the mets, but in 2014 it is a significant salary...lagares and cruz are both one dimensional players, but the truth of the matter is the one dimension that cruz brings which is a RH power bat is the mets biggest need right now

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@mets2014 If it is his "natural" position, I don't know why he wasn't put there more times when Murphy wasn't playing. Seems to me the team was wary about it. EY Young and Duda also isn't really a great duo hitting wise either given past performance.  Also, you really don't save THAT much trading Murphy. Finally, Lagares is better served showing his defensive chops in the outfield and getting at bats to show he can hit decent with his defense adding to his value. Cruz can hurt in the field with questionable returns offensively.