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Matt Harvey will not pitch in 2014

The Mets want Matt Harvey to wait at least 11 months after his Tommy John surgery before he pitches in a game for the Mets, which is standard protocol and the doctor recommended time frame, Sandy Alderson told reporters at Citi Field on Tuesday.

Harvey had his surgery on Oct. 22, 2014, which leaves only the final week of September for him to pitch in a regular season, big-league game.

Harvey has said he wants to go in to the off season knowing he’s capable of pitching in a game.

“I think there are other ways that we can provide that kind of peace of mind (for him), whether it’s in instructional league or some other setting,” Alderson said. “So, that’s yet to be determined.”

The organization’s instructional league runs September in to October.

Harvey said he was caught off guard when the team stopped him Monday from throwing off the lope of a mound.

“They have a higher power,” he said, noting that he has yet to be told why his throwing session was postponed and when he’ll throw again. “I don’t know if somebody talked to a doctor or whatnot and they felt that things needed to slow down,” Harvey said. “Whatever they decided, I haven’t quite talked to them yet.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The way I understand it, unlike with Jeremy Hefner, the Mets worry about Harvey’s pedal-to-the-metal, only-full-speed approach to pitching. Hefner said he threw at 75 percent effort when pitching off a mound Monday for the first time since surgery. I guess the Mets worry Harvey will not show a similar restraint, even at this stage of his rehab, let alone when in a game, and doing too much too soon could risk needing a second surgery.




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bptomatoes
bptomatoes

we are going nowhere this year


h old is ass back because he is a hard head and will ruin himself if given the chance

tw22
tw22

We are going to pay for this come contract time, count on it.

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

I don't mind them making him what a little longer...but at the same time they can't keep managing this injury with fear...if Harvey honestly thinks he can throw and the doctors are fine with it you need to let him go....only Harvey knows his body...going to soft can set him back too

bsp123
bsp123

This is one of the massive problems with this organization, people in the front off just need to keep their mouths shut.  Why have they not spoken to Harvey about holding him back yet?  That is absolutely unacceptable and just a red flag about who is running this organization. 

mike23
mike23

Harvey talks too much, you can't continue to second guess your oganization decision as they are your employers. It would be in Harvey's best interest to just stop talking so much and continue to rehab and come back strong next season. 


All this talking just makes him look like a guy who you can't trust in the public eye, whoever is representing him/around him family/friends need to remind him to take a step back and just focus on coming back 100 percent healthy and ready to go from day one next season. 


The Mets aren't holding him back to just hold him back, they want to make sure he is available all of next season, this year is going no where, if he were to pitch this year and re-injure himself and be out for next season too where does that leave him and the mets. No reason to rush back, he needs to sit back, enjoy watching and rehabbing, continue to study players etc.... and quiet down and focus on next season. 

duras23
duras23

“They have a higher power,”

"I don’t know if somebody talked to a doctor or whatnot and they felt that things needed to slow down,”

“Whatever they decided, I haven’t quite talked to them yet.”

Would it kill this guy to just say "I'll do whatever it takes to get healthy & help the team win"?

Don't invest too much into him Met fans. As soon as he can, Harvey will be a Yankee.

metjetnet
metjetnet

Harvey's arrogance is his strongest positive AND his greatest flaw. It is his Achilles Heel.

HIs competitiveness will allow him to beat many long odds. But it also puts him directly in the path of Dangerous Fate.

I've seen a great deal of Tom Seaver's demeanor in Harvey. Harvey may be the toughest SOB in MLB right now.

But what made Seaver a HOFer was that stunning intelligence in service to his talent & competitiveness. It allowed him to know when to push to the max & when to pull back a notch & fight the next, more winnable battle.

Harvey doesn't have that.

Yet.

James Trynosky
James Trynosky

"“They have a higher power,” he said, noting that he has yet to be told why his throwing session was postponed and when he’ll throw again. “I don’t know if somebody talked to a doctor or whatnot and they felt that things needed to slow down,” Harvey said. “Whatever they decided, I haven’t quite talked to them yet.”"


Good grief... this guy needs to shut the hell up. I know my opinion is meaningless, but I am really getting tired of this attitude. We all know the Mets have bungled injury/rehab cycle countless times over the past decade. It's a comedy of errors. For the benefit of everyone involved.... take your time and shut up. 


I know they have some agreement where he gets to rehab in NYC when the club is home. This a mistake, time to send him to Florida. Is anyone looking out for this guy? The size of his ego is far larger than his body of work. He's an exceptional young pitcher, he's going to be an exceptional young landscaper or janitor if he doesn't take care of himself.  

metfan1965
metfan1965

Harvey was an exciting pitcher last season. His demeanor and talent were a breath of fresh air. But he has had Tommy John surgery and his lack of humility could hurt him in the long term. The Mets need him to be healthy come next season. A start at the end of this season will be meaningless (if you have been watching). Really, the kid needs to take a step back and realize while he was a meteor last season, he really hasn't proven anything yet. His goal should not be to show the world he can through 97 miles an hour off the mound now. It needs to be to get healthy and try and come into next season strong. There have been many would be stars who have gotten side tracked by injury. All bets are off that Harvey will be a superstar next year. He needs to understand that and realize there is a fine line from being a superstar and an injured player who was too impatient to get healthy.

queva
queva

Not even winter ball?

exileinla
exileinla

Let him keep working.  Let him keep trying.  And, if everyone really thinks he's ready, let him pitch the 9th inning of the final game of the season (at home, vs Houston). 

First of all, it's not going to impact ANYTHING.

Secondly, there's no more likely a setting for him NOT to try to overdo it.

Third, it will get people to the park (and keep them there) on a day when we'd rather see football than the end of another painful season.

Glenn Blasius
Glenn Blasius

Harvey = Future of Sandy's job security.

Heffner = Cannon fodder

tullydew
tullydew

"The way I understand it, unlike with Jeremy Hefner, the Mets worry about Harvey’s pedal-to-the-metal, only-full-speed approach to pitching. Hefner said he threw at 75 percent effort when pitching off a mound Monday for the first time since surgery. I guess the Mets worry Harvey will not show a similar restraint, even at this stage of his rehab, let alone when in a game, and doing too much too soon could risk needing a second surgery."

Or maybe he is behind Hefner b/c Hefner had his surgery 2 months earlier.

Could the Mets be preventing him from hitting the active roster in order to slow is service time accrual and arbitration clock?  Just a thought....

bleck319
bleck319

"The way I understand it...."

Please stop with this phrase of wasted words.

dooley
dooley

Matt Harvey is his own worst enemy

MartyBarrett17
MartyBarrett17

A full day of Harvey's rehab should be dedicated to watching video of the current Mets lineup hit. That should scare him into slowing down his eagerness to return.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Harvey's complaint that he was "caught off guard" is typical behavior, considering that he's a complete narcissist. I wonder how he feels about playing with matches? Too bad the FO can't keep him in a cage during his rehab period

Ed Zoubi
Ed Zoubi

well in that case i guess the Mets have to make the playoff with what we have in T.C and company  to see Harvey pitch this year....... HA HA HA HAHAHAHA

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

i might be in the minority here (well ,actually there's no MIGHT about it)...but this is WAYYYY too big of an issue than it should be. Everyone's body is different. People heal longer, or shorter than others. For example, look at Adrian Peterson vs Derrick Rose...similar knee injuries, but Rose is just a mess, AP had one of the all time great bounce back seasons. 

Obv, diff sport, diff injury...but the only issue should be how Harvey heals, and if the doctors clear him to play. That's it. If he happens to be a medical freak, and is well enough to get doctor clearance to pitch, then F it, let him pitch...if NOT, if he's like 90% of everyone else out there and needs 11-12 months, then that's it, he DOESNT pitch. IT's all about how he feels, how he HEALS, and if MEDICALLY, the doctors give him the green light to go pitch.


He could suffer a set back in a month anyway and this all becomes moot. Just silly how Harvey AND how the Mets management is going about this. THey're alienating the fan base, looks like they're angering Harvey, and looks like Harvey is angering management....all for WHAT? Cuz a guy is a bulldog and wants to pitch?? If he cant pitch, the docs will tell him....if he can, the DOCS WILL TELL HIM...


so annoying..

greekgod
greekgod

What's his hurry? He ain't going anywhere so its best to come back strong and help this hapless team win a few games; hopefully 20 game winner.

Denise Mulé
Denise Mulé

I feel bad for u Matt! But we need u for next years season and we need u to be healthily next season! ❤️❤️

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

I agree with this move.  This season is lost anyway, so there is no sense in Harvey rushing himself back and risking re-injury.  He should take it slow and make sure he's 100% healthy for 2015.


Though there are obviously huge communication issues here...

Brian Mangan
Brian Mangan

How. On. Earth. Has. This. Not. Been. Communicated. To. Harvey. Directly.

Why is he talking through the media?  What the hell is wrong with the FO that they haven't told him exactly why it was postponed?  Do they not talk to the guy?

Catt-A
Catt-A

How scary must it be having the Mets organization make rehab decisions for you?

Kevin John
Kevin John

Matt Harvey must hate playing for this team. This is just another reason for him to hate us. Yeah, its a smart decision by the Mets, but all the stuff that went down in the past will force him to leave us when he becomes a free agent.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Hey Cerrone or maybe the Mets worry that Hefner had his TJ surgery a full 2 months before Harvey so they shouldn't be at the same point in their rehabs. If Hefner is just now at the point to start throwing off a mound that should mean Harvey shouldn't be at that point till sometime in early Aug which would give him no chance of pitching this season as should be the case.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

This is hardly news...

Also, you have to mention here Hefner had his surgery 2 months before Harvey...he should be ahead of him schedule-wise...

gpopper
gpopper

A smart move on the part of the Mets. I understand Harvey's aggressiveness and desire to pitch, but I think he's much better off waiting it out. There are ways to see how he is doing without his being in any actual games. We're not going to the post season unless chickens grow lips or Frosty can hang in Hades for more than an hour, so Harvey doesn't need to be in any games. I do applaud his attitude though. We need players with that kind of fire and motivation.

tw22
tw22

@William Bonilla Every game he pitches brings him closer to free agency. Boras is his agent. Do the math.

duras23
duras23

@bsp123 Though I hate supporting this fromt office, this is incorrect. All this front office keeps saying is that they want to hold him back until 2015. I've seen it mentioned numerous times. He keeps disagreeing. They have made it obvious to him that 2015 is the goal.

bsp123
bsp123

@mike23 Maybe if the front office ever spoke with him or informed him of their decisions this wouldn't ever be an issue.  Notice how almost every player who leaves this organization bashes them?  There is a reason for it.

mike23
mike23

@duras23 yeah, Harvey and his too much talking and not being more of a team player is getting annoying. Guy needs to just quiet down and rehab and come back strong next season. If he were to come back this year and re-injure himself that would put him and the mets in a tough spot for next season... he needs to take a step down from his big ego/attitude and realize the big picture. He had a great first season but he has a long career ahead of him if he'd do things the right way... those around him family/friends need to remind him of that. 

specialk
specialk

He's on the DL that doesn't halt his service time, it has nothing to do with it.  

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

  Forget the cheap angle. His service time is not affected regardless of how long he is out.

James Trynosky
James Trynosky

@Mr. SERCH I think you have a great point about people healing different, but let's not kid ourselves. This club is not going anywhere this year. There will be some awesome highs, and some terrible lows. If they happened to stumble into a wild card berth, they are not built to win a world championship, and we pretty much knew that it wasn't happening this year the minute we found out Harvey might need the TJ surgery last year. He is a key piece. The chance for a run this year, is now a chance for next year. 


I believe off season personnel decisions were made, knowing that things needed to be delayed until 2015. So there is know point in risking his health regardless of what the Doctor's say. He needs to chill out, take his time, build up his strength, and hopefully he will come back next year, the same player he was when he went out last year. 


Matt Harvey is not dictating his return schedule.  The inmates should not be running the asylum, and that's no praise for the Mets front office, they are a horrible bunch, but a lot of future hopes (and money) are riding on his arm. He's not going to be the one to dictate anything. 


No your additional point, none of us have much of an opinion on it, but he is contractually obligated to the Mets, they own him, if they say it's not time, then it's not time. 

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Mr. SERCH You're right, but they are being cautious because Harvey has all the talent in the world to dominate, and when he returns he needs to come back 100%. They are protecting a vital piece of the future, and the future begins in 2015, because we obviously aren't going to win anything this year. Have him lined up for a normal spring training and  be ready for opening day in 2015, with some 4 combo of Wheeler, Syndergard, Niese, Gee, Colon, Montero and deGrom.

dooley
dooley

Not to get too off topic but I believe AP was using some sort of PEDs. I have absolutely no evidence of that, just my opinion.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

oh forgot to add...for the record, if i HAD to choose, of COURSE i'd choose for him to NOT pitch this year....but who am i to even have an OPINION on telling someone that they CAN or CANT do the thing they've dedicated their LIFE to, and the thing that is how they make a paycheck....

Sal
Sal

@Brian Mangan This.  This is the only real story here.  Harvey's rehab and timetable for pitching should be set by his doctors and no one else.  But when you hear that the Mets just shut him down suddenly and didn't tell him why, it's just more proof of how horrible this organization is with messaging.


They can't communicate properly with fans.  They can't even communicate properly with their own players.  


There was so much fun made of Minaya's inability to communicate properly, but I've seen even worse in the Alderson era.

hankypanky
hankypanky

History will bear out that money is the only factor that will "force" Harvey to leave.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@dooley If not PEDs I think he was using some of the advanced techniques that aren't popular here just yet.

Sal
Sal

@James Trynosky @Brian Mangan Well this is the Mets organization, with a history of handling communications and messaging to injured players poorly.  Who do you believe?


I'm inclined to believe the player.

dude3480
dude3480

@stemog @Kevin John @hankypanky 

I agree that the only reason would be money.. I am pretty sure most major league teams would handle Harvey the same way. Be it in this rehab or the social media concerns earlier. 

If Matt is still a solid pitcher as he nears the end of the contract I think it would make sense to consider a trade. It really all depends on how the team is doing, Matt is doing, and can they get anything of real value. 

I personally think he needs to relax and think about his long term game. It's admirable that he wants to pitch this season, but why? I guess I can understand because he wants to prove to himself that he is going to be ok going into the offseason. 

dooley
dooley

@BringBackDaveTelghe Stem cells?