Moment from PSL: Is this the starting outfield?

Andrew Vazzano, SNY.tv

After morning stretches, most of the team made their way over to the main field to throw and prepare for the coming intrasquad game. Curtis Granderson, Juan Lagares and Chris Young stayed on Field 2 and played a quick game, tossing two baseballs to each other to see if they could catch both.

Granderson Lagares Chris Young

Tom Goodwin watched and Terry Collins made his way over, then held a quick conversation with the trio of outfielders.


Later, the three fielded line drives and ground balls off the bat of Goodwin…

Outfield Drills


It was interesting to see these three together, separate from the rest, especially with Eric Young Jr. battling a bit of an oblique strain. This could be the team’s starting outfield come March 31, but I wonder who plays where?

Lagares or one of the Youngs in center? Granderson in left or right? Does Lagares play anywhere but center? Guess we’ll have to wait and see…




71 comments
nyijkm
nyijkm

Grandy said on Hot Stove said that Cesar Puello inpressed him the most out of all the young guys in camp. I'm excited for what he can bring to our OF/1B this year.

nyijkm
nyijkm

Lagares was a finalist for Gold Glove at CF last year. Enough said. and hitting in the Dom Winter League does not equate to MLB success, but it is a start. Lets all just see these guys earn it in Spring Training.

mustang66
mustang66

if Lagares isn't in center then these guys are Off Center. I believe, is he is the everyday center fielder, he can save 50 runs in a season with his glove.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

If Lagares can hit a lick he starts in CF. Let's build for the future.

Pat Brady
Pat Brady

If Lagares plays he's your center fielder without a doubt. That guy is already one of the top 5 fielding outfielders in the league. I can't think of more than 1 or 2 guys that I'd take over him as far as defense goes. 

bsp123
bsp123

Lagares looks much bigger this year.

chasesimms
chasesimms

 They should let the Mets start 4 outfielders.  Problem solved! 

Young Ki
Young Ki

I really don't understand why there is a debate on who will play CF.  If Lagares doesn't start CF for this team, that is just crazy.  How do you not have your best defensive player in the team not play the most important OF position just because you want to have less than average OBP player leadoff??


I get that Lagares needs improve at the plate, but CF is a premium defensive position which needs a premium defensive player.  It's not like EY is a OBP machine like Matt Carpenter was for the Cards (he had 3 SBs all year BTW).  Just because EY led the league in SBs, you can't ditch your best defensive player aside so that EY can lead off.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

It doesn't matter where the three of them play, since they can all field very well. It just matters if CY makes contact and Lagares does anything at the plate.

mets2014
mets2014

starters: E young in LF C Young in CF Granderson in RF

bench: A Brown 4th OF Duda 5th OF/1B

nagel100
nagel100

that should be the starting OF.  EY should be our 4th OF.  pinch hitter, pinch runner.  he get 300 at bats playing 50 games and pinch hitting.  he could also DH and lead off vs American League teams.  Legares has to be our CF until he proves unable to hit.  then things could change.  I don't care where Young and Granderson play.  whoever has the better arm plays right.  the other plays left.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

If Lagares is starting, I can't see it being anywhere but center. You can't justify having his bat in the lineup in the corner spots.

nyijkm
nyijkm

Can anyone see Cesar Puello warranting serious consideration for an early call-up this season? I'm not saying he will beat out EY/JL but certainly has the power that we desperately need. And wouldn't it be fantastic if we could stick Puello at 1B if the rest suck? (since CP looks like a bigger guy)

11gilkey
11gilkey

Tom Goodwin looks like he could still play.  Can he get on base?

selldamets
selldamets

I can see the 90 wins... oh wait, the medication hasn't worn off yet..

11gilkey
11gilkey

Lagares should be in CF.  He proved that last year.  Granderson should be in LF with his lack of an arm.  Young is a better defender so put him in RF.  

tw22
tw22

Granderson is in left. He has a Bernie Williams arm and no place in Citi's rightfield.

vimets
vimets

Don't forget about Matt den Decker, he may be the best fielder of them all.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Young Ki I hear what you're saying, but Chris Young is no slouch in center himself. Guy has been a solid defensive centerfielder. And EYJ was a runner up for the GG last year. An outfield of EYJ, Young, and Granderson would not be bad at all defensively. Not as good as Young, Lagares, Granderson, I'd agree. But certainly not bad. 

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@mets2014 If you're not going to use Legares in CF, I'd much rather go with Brown/Duda in LF.  EYJ brings nothing with the bat and can't get on base.  At least with Brown and Duda, HRs can happen.  And before someone starts talking about how bad we were with Duda in the OF last year, may I remind you that Ankiel and Cowgill was also out there with Duda so perhaps Duda is just getting unfairly blamed for more than he deserved.

jamets
jamets

@mets2014If I had to guess, this is the lineup I expect to see on opening day, too.  

Not sure they'll send Lagares down, though.  I think there's an opportunity for him to get enough playing time that they keep him around.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Victor Triguero I wouldn't say Ike has an automatic spot right now. He is battling someone in camp. Granted it's only Lucas Duda, but still. And even should he win, it'll only be for a platoon job with Satin, it looks like.

That Tejada is practically being handed a spot at short right now is atrocious. There I'd agree. As far as Lagares is concerned, I'm looking forward to seeing him in center and see if he can hit on the major league level. He's hit in the minors, and in the Dominican League this year. If he could just bump up his BA from last year by 10-15 points and his OBP by 20-30, with his glove he could start in center and bat near the bottom of the lineup for a long time.

jamets
jamets

@nyijkmNo.  Unless there is a rash of injuries in the OF, I don't see Puello getting anything other than maybe a September call up this year.  Between the injuries and the suspension last year, he just hasn't had enough ABs at the upper level of the minors. 

11gilkey
11gilkey

@vimets  Stop it.  Lagares is better than den Decker in the outfield.  den Dekker makes a couple circus catches in Spring and people on this blog go crazy.  Lagares was unreal in CF last year and has the stats to back it up. 

tw22
tw22

@vimets Forget? Dude is an afterthought, long forgotten.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@vimets He's darn good in the field,  but he has to strikeout less.

crafalko17
crafalko17

@p8erbaghad @mets2014 No, he was pretty terrible. He has no range and doesn't make the plays he's supposed to. Plus he isn't even working out in the OF atm.

mets2014
mets2014

@jamets @mets2014 lagares is better served playing everyday plus the mets are better served with power bats like brown and duda coming off the bench

Jimmy
Jimmy

Lagares had a better average than Chris Young last year. Also, he was +11 in Runs Saved to CY's -8. Real tough choice

nagel100
nagel100

@Steven Matregrano @nagel100  a few nice plays? are you talking about EY or Legares?  Hopefully EY who is our 4thn OF imo.   Legares is a legit glove glove candidate.  his arm has the stats behind it and CF at Citi Field is huge.  he shocked everyone with his defense but you if you are referring to Legares. 


"Mets OF Juan Lagares had 12 outfield-arm runs saved in 2013, second behind OF Gerardo Parra (Dewan, Jan. 10).

“His lofty total was supported by his 12 kills — runners thrown out without the assist of a relay man,” Dewan writes about Lagares. “That is the sixth-highest total in the last five seasons. He trailed Parra’s 15 kills last season, but Lagares joined Adam Jones — who had 10 kills in 2010 and 13 kills in 2011 — as one of only two center fielders to exceed eight kills in a season since 2009.”

According to FanGraphs, Lagares saved 28 runs overall in 2013, third most behind Parra and Carlos Gomez among outfielders.


try to be clear about what you are saying.


Balonius
Balonius

@Steven Matregrano  Yeah, .301 in a 129ABs and 149PA. Don't confuse Ike Davis with a .300 hitter or you'll look like you don't know what you're talking about. BTW .242 in 400+ ABs his first yr in the bigs -- where do you get "he can't hit" from? last time I checked EY hit around .250 and his d was no where near as good as what Lageres brought last year...


jamets
jamets

@billennium @Steven Matregrano@nagel100There's actually a pretty good article on Fangraphs, I think, that looks at Lagares's defensive stats and concludes that there probably IS some flukiness to them.  It was linked to on MetsMinorLeagueBlog.  A good part of his value in UZR and WAR is connected to the OF assists, and apparently those are pretty fluky.

The Feels band
The Feels band

@billennium @Steven Matregrano @nagel100  Dude, this guy is the funniest poster on here. He always talks like EYJr is good and Lagares sucks. It's hilarious. Most unknowledgeable Mets fan on this blog. And he always calls people morons and stupid, too. 

billennium
billennium

@Steven Matregrano @nagel100  You are OUTSIDE YOUR MIND. The stats provided clearly compare him directly with some of the best defensive OFs in baseball. I think you can be a fluke with the bat, I do not think you can fake being a gold glove caliber defender.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

@Steven Matregrano @billennium @Balonius @nagel100  bro you either play good defense or you don't.  Maybe throwing people out can be fluky.  But straight up catching the ball in the outfield, you either can do it or you can't. Ive been reading you posts, you don't know what your talking ab on most of them.  

billennium
billennium

@Steven Matregrano @billennium @Balonius @nagel100  YOU CAN'T FAKE DEFENSE! Do you think he is going to forget how to track a fly ball or throw? He didn't provide WAR with his bat, he did it with defense. Defense isn't something you typically "come back to earth from." No need to name call.

billennium
billennium

@Steven Matregrano @Balonius  


I am just going to copy and paste from @nagel100 post above.. Provide OK defense? Stop talking down to people if you're not well informed:

"Mets OF Juan Lagares had 12 outfield-arm runs saved in 2013, second behind OF Gerardo Parra (Dewan, Jan. 10).


“His lofty total was supported by his 12 kills — runners thrown out without the assist of a relay man,” Dewan writes about Lagares. “That is the sixth-highest total in the last five seasons. He trailed Parra’s 15 kills last season, but Lagares joined Adam Jones — who had 10 kills in 2010 and 13 kills in 2011 — as one of only two center fielders to exceed eight kills in a season since 2009.”


According to FanGraphs, Lagares saved 28 runs overall in 2013, third most behind Parra and Carlos Gomez among outfielders.

That is more than OK defense...

nyijkm
nyijkm

hey guys, Lagares was towards the top of the NL in OF assists last season, at least in the second half after he was called up. that has to be solid proof that he is MLB caliber defensively. He was in the running for Gold Glove CF as well.

11gilkey
11gilkey

@Steven Matregrano @11gilkey @vimets  I was talking about his defensive stats. I did not once mention his offense.  I don't know why you consistently hate on Lagares.  Did you watch him play CF last year?  Did you watch the games?  Our defense in the outfield was beyond awful?  Really.  Maybe when Duda was out there.  But EY was solid in left.  Byrd was above average in RF.  And Lagares save more runs than anyone in the game.  Yeah that's pretty awful.  

nyijkm
nyijkm

Steve, if you've been following the last couple months, Lagares DESTROYED it in Dominican Winter ball offensiveily. OBP, AVG, a few more homers and RBIs. If he proves he is better at hitting in the Spring games, give him a chance. Your boy den Dekker was a Spring Training wonder who did nothing in the bigs except look a little flashier than Kirk N. Lets chill on him and focus on the better prospect... AND Puello who everyone seems to be forgetting.