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Mike Piazza’s HOF bid may fall short again

Mike Piazza may again fall short of the Hall of Fame, if publicly posted ballots are any indication of the final vote…

According to Baseball Think Factory, which has been tallying votes posted online by BBWAA voters, Piazza has just 71.9 percent of the vote (with just 17 percent of votes counted). He’ll need 75 percent to get in to the Hall of Fame. He received 57.9% support last year.

“I was a little disappointed, I can’t lie about that,” Piazza said after last year’s vote. “To keep it in historical perspective as well, there were a lot of great players that didn’t get [in] on the first ballot. … I’m very proud of my career. If you look at my entire body of work, I’d put it up against any catcher that’s played the position.”




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George E. Prouty Jr.
George E. Prouty Jr.

This oversight is a lot of BS No man deserves to be in the HOF more than Mike!! 

Joshua Shapiro
Joshua Shapiro

Every player in MLB history who amassed as high a percentage as Piazza did his first time on the HOF ballot, eventually got into the Hall.  Because of all the no-doubters entering the ballot for the first time over the next few years, it make take a while, but he'll get there.  It makes no sense, but It's the way HOF voting is.  Don't think about it too much, it'll just make your head hurt.

metsfan980
metsfan980

The current upper bound of the 95% confidence interval for the percentage of HOF votes that Piazza will receive (based on 107 identified) is 81.3%--assuming normality.

I don't think concluding Piazza will miss the Hall of Fame this year is currently supported by the facts.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

I'm an Italian american and a metsfan. In the least, he admits he used Andro for his performance. Should he get in, what am I celebrating? Some stats he amassed? Oh.


He made his money, he provided some highlights. Seems like that's enough celebration in this case to me.

John Mills
John Mills

The absolute dumbest argument against Piazza is draft position. Here are some low/no level draft picks who had successful ML careers - Keith Hernandez, 41st round; Tom Herr, undrafted; Kevin Mitchell, undrafted; Dan Quisenberry, undrafted.

Here are some first round picks who were total busts - Billy Beane, John Gibbons, Steve Lyons, Sam Horn, Derek Lilliquist. And there are many more.

The fact that Mike Piazza was a 62nd round draft pick should have zero bearing on his HOF worthiness.

Ralph Carlson Jr.
Ralph Carlson Jr.

No one can honestly put Frank Thomas in and not Piazza and say it was because of steroids. Since there is no evidence either of them did it so they should be treated equally

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Last year was Piazza's best chance of getting in. At that time there was only rumor of PED use. There is NOW  evidence Piazza used PEDS!  Piazza admits to using Andro in his book! Andro is the same PED that was found in McGuire's locked during the 1998 home run race with Sosa.  Technically it wasn't against the MLB rules at the time but whether a substance is banned under the CBA has not effect on whether or not it is a PED. Think about that.  Players were clearly taking it because it gave them an advantage. So if you want to keep McGuire out of the HOF because of Andro why would you want Piazza in?

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

The HOF is becoming a joke because of steroids. Oh well we still have Billy Herman, Bucky Harris and Bill Mazeroski in. If they can make it, why not Mike.

dave27a
dave27a

The biggest laugh is how Cox. LaRussa, and Torre just flew in on the backs of dozens of proven steroid cheats while guys who have never been proved to have done anything against the rules of the game are held out.


McGwire might get dropped from the ballot outright the same year LaRussa goes in without a peep.  He doesn't owe much of his success in Oakland and St. Louis to McGwire?


It's sickening.

Sun
Sun

They should move the Hall of Fame to Salem MA and just let the witch hunters have home field advantage.  That way they can just point and scream "PEDs!!!!" and the offender can be hung.

mets2891
mets2891

It's an absolute joke, and the problem is you have these holier than thou old farts like Bill Madden who are so full of their own self-created grandeur that they have to punish guys like Piazza who haven't even been found to take steroids.  This isn't a Mets issue, it's a baseball issue, if the voters are finding a way to keep the best hitting catcher in baseball history (who never broke any rules) out of the hall, then there's simply something wrong with the system

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

If he gets 71 percent of the votes then he will eventually get in, probably next year. His chance of being a first ballot inductee were hurt by playing in the roid era and suspicion of his use. I would bet money that the writers wanted to make a statement with Mike. He is probably the highest profile player from that era with no hard evidence of roid use. Iv hear what some fans are saying in regards to the focus being on the Braves but I'd like to see Piazza up there with Glavine, Maddox, and Cox. After all the domination by the Braves during that time period Piazza was the one thing Mets fans could rally behind during that time period. He helped the Mets stand up against the Braves and it would be poetic justice to see him once more stand up against those guys on stage. It would be a statement that maybe the Braves had all of the division titles and they have more guys entering the hall, but even the Mets had their shining moment.

goriddle
goriddle

As a Mets fan and a Piazza fan, I hope he does not get in this year. I wish he would have gotten in last year and, circumstances being as they are on the 2014 ballot, I hope he makes it in 2015. I hope nobody gets in this year except for Glavine and Maddux because it really won't be fair to any other player(s) who have to share the stage with them. This is the exact scenario that baseball writers have been fantasizing about for years. The chance to put Glavine, Maddux, and Bobby Cox in The Hall in the same year? The baseball media has been in love with that trio since the Braves era of dominance through the '90s. This year's induction ceremony will be all about those three and, if any other players are up on that stage with them, they will be buried as an aside or afterthought. Piazza and Thomas deserve better than that. Piazza deserved to be a first ballot inductee. More than any holes in his defensive game or suspicion of PED use, his most glaring weakness as it pertains to his Hall of Fame status has always been his reluctance to kiss up to the journalists who decide who gets in and who does not. While not a jerk to the media, Piazza describes himself as somewhat stoic and introverted in his dealings with them, and they are a petty bunch who thrive on the power their jobs provide. They would have played this same vindictive game with Eddie Murray for the same reasons if not for the fact that he put up his best numbers before the "Steroid Era" and his compiled stats were simply too impressive for them NOT to vote him in without having their credibility destroyed.


Carlos Rivera
Carlos Rivera

Who Cares, What about our current Mets status

Merrill Needham
Merrill Needham

What's a bigger travesty, Piazza not Inthe baseball hall or uh.

MMIAA
MMIAA

you know its amazing how immature and dumb people are. everyone here is complaining about the voters. you suggest it should be a mix of current players retired players HOF players etc. You do realize if that was the case Piazza would have nowhere near the votes he has now. Retired players have no use for the steroid era boys and neither do the guys in the HOF. Sorry guys the fact that he did it during the roid era is an issue. like it or not. and to the idiots that say there is no proof move on down the road.  

mystere24
mystere24

In his Age 24 first full season in MLB, Piazza hit 35 HRs, had 112 RBI, and a .318 BA. His 162 Game Average season after 16 years in MLB was 36 HRs, 113 RBI, and a .308 BA. He was the greatest hitting catcher of all time from the beginning with no significant statistical peaks, valleys, or spikes. Yogi Berra's 162 Game Average season was 27 HRs, 109 RBI, and a .285 BA. Johnny Bench's was 29 HR, 103 RBI, and a .267 BA. Carlton Fisk 's was 24 HR, 86 RBI, and a .269 BA. Gary Carter's was 23 HR, 86 RBI, and a .262 BA. He was a Rookie of the Year and a 12-time All-Star.

Mike conducted himself as a great ambassador for MLB and a superb role model for kids throughout his career despite difficult circumstances that would have tried anyone's patience (Clemens Roid Rage nonsense, being accused of being gay when it wasn't true, being accused of using steroids because he had back acne, ridiculous). I can't think of any guy with greater character and integrity who played the game. He deserves induction without reservation and his not being inducted on the first ballot is a travesty.

Andrew Herbst
Andrew Herbst

I don't think Piazza will make it this year with guys like Maddux, Glavine, and Big Hurt on the ballot.

dave27a
dave27a

Was just reading about how Dan Shaugnessy, Boston d-bag writer extraordinaire, continues to leave Bagwell and Piazza off his ballot because they were late picks and something doesn't add up about their accomplishments, whereas he voted for Thomas because he was a first-rounder, and so he "makes more sense."


I just don't know how voting remains of the hands of people who apply such subjective, ridiculous judgements to the process.  This is a a guy who can't even take care of his own teeth and yet he's passing absurd judgements on the best players in the history of the game.


As a fan, you simply can't let yourself get caught up in it if no one is going to change the process.  I still burn over Carter taking 4-5 years to get in, to the point where his father died before seeing him get in the Hall - and of course as things turned out he was denied a few precious years of enjoying his HOF status himself.  All because a bunch of loser writers who probably can't throw a baseball wanted to make a statement that they didn't think he was as good as Carlton Fisk.  It's an f'ing disgrace.  You'd think seeing guys like Hunter, Carter, Puckett die at young ages would remind these scumbags that you don't delay for the future what's deserved in the present.

Kyle Tompkins
Kyle Tompkins

@Bryan McEntee  'technically it wasn't against the MLB rules at the time'


THERE YOU GO!  You answered your own dumb argument.

Joshua Shapiro
Joshua Shapiro

He accepted his own life-time ban.  I think the whole thing is ridiculous at this point, but Rose has nobody to blame but himself.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

@dave27aLaRussa and Torre yes but what player linked to steroids played for Atlanta? Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Chipper were never even hinted at being PED users.

MMIAA
MMIAA

@Sun all they had to do was submit to testing..........

MMIAA
MMIAA

@mets2891 why is he holier then thou because he has an opinion?

dave27a
dave27a

@Chad Michael Might remind people that Glavine played a few years here as well and was Piazza's battery mate.  Otherwise whatever relevance that has will drown in a sea of Braves love.



ReedRothchild
ReedRothchild

@MMIAA 

What is truly amazing is that it is almost always the people with the most ridiculous inane ideas who call everyone else dumb.

Your comments are pretty much universally idiotic.

You have zero idea of whether or not Piazza used PEDs and you have even less of an idea what current or retired players think of Piazza.

MMIAA
MMIAA

@mystere24 go back and check his minor league stats you can pinpoint the exact season when he started juicing

nolrog
nolrog

@dave27a That's the dumbest reason to not vote for someone.  This guy was the one of the top hitting catchers of all time, but since he was picked in the 62nd round, I won't vote for him.  Completely irrational.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@dave27a I wish people like that would have their voting rights stripped.  Nonsensical on every level and with Bagwell, it seems like sour grapes he didn't have a career in Boston.

ReedRothchild
ReedRothchild

@dave27a 

Agree 100%.

The voting should be something like 1/3 writers, 1/3 active players/managers/coaches, and 1/3 living HOF members. Or something like that.

But it has to change somehow.

 

John Mills
John Mills

Exactly. Remember Palmeiro railed against them until he got caught although the Viagra commercials should have been a tip off with him. What healthy 30 yo needs ED drugs?

One thing about Thomas - he played college football in the late 1980s and college football at that time was rampant with steroids. just saying.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

@Joe Wenzel What was permitted or not permitted under the relevant Collective Bargaining Agreement at the time Piazza played is a different argument from whether or not Piazza should be allowed to go into the HOF. They are different standards in my opinion.  He clearly used PEDs, by his own admission,  albeit a permitted one at the time. I call it legalized cheating. Why should the HOF be tarnished by the delay tactics of the MLBPA  the way MLB was tarnished by the unions delay tactics in outlawing PEDS, HGH, steroids, etc?   Saying Piazza is a HOF because andro wasn't banned at the time is like saying someone's a good guy because he murdered someone they day  before murder became a crime.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

But that doesn't mean it wasn't a PED. That doesn't mean it didn't artificially inflate his numbers. His #s aren't honest.

Sun
Sun

@MMIAA@SunThey did.  The players have been tested since 2005.

mets2891
mets2891

@MMIAA @mets2891 That's the point, his opinion on the matter is part of what makes him holier than thou.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@ReedRothchild @dave27a Disagree completely.  I don't know what the system should be, but active managers / players coaches??  Have you heard the stories about people around them when they're filling out Gold Glove ballots?  Most can't be bothered, do no research and just pick the same player that wins each year.  It's why the award is a joke.

And the living HOF?  That's one of the most pious groups that allows players that shouldn't be in to be admitted and quite honestly, most are so old they have no right to judge another player on admittance.

I'd be in favor on it being just writers, but there should be a HOF board that allows writer's voting rights to be stripped away for the correct reasons.

ReedRothchild
ReedRothchild

@MMIAA 

The proof is there if you want to imagine and fabricate it to fit your very own rather twisted sense of what constitutes proof and evidence in the real world.

ReedRothchild
ReedRothchild

@BringBackDaveTelghe 

I do not really disagree with much of what you say--especially regarding the Gold Gloves--but something really needs to change. Maybe something like what Dave says below should happen.

Too many writers are way too biased, too many use their own arbitrary moral guidelines (and surely not all of the writers agree on this), and in today's world, too many of the writers are just too mediocre and lack the knowledge of the game required to make the right choice in all cases.

And I do agree with the comment below on the Hall becoming the Hall of Compilers. I don't think longevity and amassing stats should really be the way to get in--I think it should be by being one of the most dominating players of your era, over maybe a decade, a la, Pujols, Randy Johnson, Piazza, etc, and not being someone like Biggio or Phil Niekro or Blyleven. They were very good, but were they really all-time greats?

Anyway, there has to be some way of improving the voting and taking away the writers' monopoly on this.

And who knows, maybe active players/managers/coaches would take HOF voting much more seriously than they take Gold Glove voting.

dave27a
dave27a

Why can't the HOF just create it's own carefully-selected panel, inclusive of active and retired players, managers, executives, broadcasters, umpires, and writers who demonstrate an objective approach and a commitment to careful consideration of each candidate?  It's amazing they leave the responsibility of who gets in to a completely disassociated body.  I guess the point was to eliminate conflicts of interest, but it's having the opposite effect.