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Mets will stick with six OFers after break

The Mets will stick with their current roster construction after the All-Star break, Terry Collins said on Sunday (ESPN, July 13).

The team currently has six outfielders on the roster and no backup shortstop. Eric Campbell started at second base on Sunday, in place of All-Star Daniel Murphy.

Ruben Tejada has started 19 games in a row at shortstop for the Mets, and has hit .266 with a .382 OBP. He has just one double and has driven in five runs. He has 10 walks, two intentional walks and struck out 12 times.

Meanwhile, Wilmer Flores, demoted to Triple-A in late June, is hitting .356 with a .380 on base percentage and .726 slugging percentage in 18 games. He has six doubles, seven home runs and 28 RBI in just 73 at bats.




250 comments
donw
donw

The 6 OF + 1 SS thing combined with rumors (if true) they will deal Colon tells us Sandy and co. are not going for it this year, no matter how well they play after the break and no matter how close they are to a wild card.  Guaranteed we will lose a game or 2 because TC can't hit for Tejada or a key error is made in the infield by someone playing out of position.

Jack Kratzer
Jack Kratzer

Terrible idea!! Might as well start selling after the break!

WoodsideNative
WoodsideNative

Mets announcers, most others you read, say it's wrong. Only Alderson and his puppets would say otherwise.

Scrubs
Scrubs

TC will run Tejada into the ground. At least until Campbell muffs  a play that costs us a game. Unbelievably shortsighted. 

upstaphan
upstaphan

6 OF seems a little excessive doesn't it?

eric88
eric88

It is hard to listen to the folks who say anything about Flores D at SS. I didn't see any upgrade with Tejada. RT is constantlyflopping around on the ground because unless a ground ball is routinely hit near him, he can not reach a ball hit with any velocity more than 6 to 8 feet to his R or L without going on the ground and has no arm. This does not even account for his mental errors which has cost us several games including Three in late June in a 9 game span. The difference between his O and Flores's O cannot be overcome unless he was Ozzie Smith like. I am not even sure his D is better than Flores if the latter played everyday. Flores has more length an a far superior arm and will be a threat every time he comes up, something RT couldn't even dream of.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Food for thought:  Last year Tejada played 60 games in Las Vegas and hit .288 with 2 HR and 24 RBI.  If you want a fair comparison, compare that to Wilmer's stats this year on the same team, with the same manager, playing in the same parks  - 46 games .326 12 HR and 53 RBI

theglider
theglider

For all of those clamoring for Wally Backman ponder this: Backman isn't playing Flores at short.

Flores has played second and third in Vegas but only two games at short. They don't put him in the field in AAA at shortstop and people want him to play there in the majors?

Kyle Fox
Kyle Fox

For ANYONE saying that "Wilmer is not the answer at short - all bat, no go glove, blah blah blah" either has very short memories for this team or simply don't even remember who OUR ALL STAR is this year...a Mr Daniel Murphy... The same guy that, for YEARS, we were told "he has no true position, he can only hit, he'll never have the range to play second...". And you guys want to give up on Wilmer because Terry didn't have the backbone to play him more than 2 games in a row as a starter?? Jeez, we're going to miss out on something BIG if Wilmer doesn't get his chance here to play...

bigslick
bigslick

Mets to make the playoffs ths year - easy as 1 2 3

1. Replace Terry with Wally

2. Bring up Flores to start at SS (Tejada can be a late inning defensive replacement)

3. Platoon Capt Kirk and Soup in LF

LGM!!!

queva
queva

Of course Flores is hitting now--he's in the minors!

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

Flores has no power and all he does is hit pop ups to RF. I don't care if he is tearing up vegas. Everyone one does andrew brown has like 15hrs and is battin 350. I wouldn't oppose Flores coming up to play SS but Tejada is playing very good defense and is hitting okay for an 8 hitter. BOTTOM LINE: Get over Flores becuase terry will not play him everyday at SS. HE WONT. he doesn't like young kids he loves vets. That's why Abreu is still here.

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

@Michael Portanova Have you not seen him perform the last few weeks? have you not seen the performance of the pitching staff with him catching? I don't live and die from what I read on the sports pages but recently on Daily News Live John Harper (Whom I really respect) said virtually every major league scout thinks D'arnoud is an exceptional player with High level skills and were also surprised he wasn't hitting. I would like you to know that last month I was all for dumping him as I thought he looked like a little leager at the plate-Now-my opinion has been reversed

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@Michael Portanova  You don't know what you are talking about. He is going to find it and become a 25 homer guy. He has a swing that generates a lot of power and goes to all fields well. He has hit some balls into the gaps with a lot of authority. He was clearly confused at the plate earlier this year with the dopey strike hunting nonsense. He has also been hurt a lot which has slowed his progression at the ML level. All the scouts have raved about his hitting skills and he has a great swing. Catchers progress slower because all of the things they have to learn on the defensive side. Whether he is injury prone because of his "slight" build is another story.

mike23
mike23

@Michael Portanova He's 25 if that matters but of course i'd like to have seen a little more production offensively from his so far (he has definitely been better since he was recalled from AAA, he looks much more comfortable at the plate etc.. ....


but anyway if the right deal came along for a young/power hitter outfielder or SS who has had a a consistent career, healthy etc.. than i'd probably have no problem including d'arnaud IF and another IF the mets truly believe Plawecki is going to be a good catcher soon and can handle the staff better than Travis as well as the defensive abilities etc..... I think the pitching staff likes throwing to Travis as well. 

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

@Michael Portanova Tejada may not be the answer but his defense over the last 8 weeks has been excellent and he's made many plays that I'm not sure Flores could make. Remember you have top be strong up the middle. They need a totally legit player and I don't know if one is out there to get.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@theglider Wilmer was sent down, reports say, with a pep talk from Terry telling him to play 1B, 2B, SS, AND 3B to be, "Ready in case something happens."  Someone is going to be traded.  Could be Murph.  Could be Duda.  Heck, it could be Tejada.  3B, IMO, was in case David had to go on the DL.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Let me be perfectly clear - I do not hate Ruben Tejada.  I just think the time has come to see what we really have in Flores.

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

@Kyle Fox i understand what your saying, but you really can't compare 2B to SS.  SS is considered to be the hardest and most important position to play. You really don't want to mail it i there.   You can tolerate a liability as 2B if the player is hitting but it isn't very smart to have a hole at SS, especially since your 2B is also sort of a liability 

1harris1
1harris1

@bigslick  Ha!  Option No: 3 is the likeliest.  Option No: 1 has no shot of happening as long as Sandy is in charge.

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

That would be great if all those happened but no.1 isn't realistic and even they all happen we still most likely are not a playoff team.

jenkins
jenkins

@queva that's the only place the Mets let him play-what do you expect?

1harris1
1harris1

@Kyle Suta  I don't think it's necessarily about him being a "young kid".  It has to do with Wilmer's ability to play SS, which Terry doesn't believe in.  It's hard to expect the manager to play somebody who he lacks faith in defensively at perhaps the most important defensive position on the field.


I don't buy into the Vegas numbers completely either, but I do believe in WIlmer's ability to hit.  To me, he likely either plays 2B for the Mets next year, or 3B elsewhere.

zoddie
zoddie

@Kyle Suta Terry doesn't seem to have a problem playing young guys like Ruben Tejada, Juan Lagares, Mejia, Familia, deGrom, or d'Arnaud.


I think Flores will hit.  Unlike Andrew Brown, Flores is still VERY young.  The issue is Wilmer's defense at short.

jenkins
jenkins

@cleonsvan that's just an excuse about "catchers progress slower." Darno had major holes in his swing and no aggressiveness. Hopefully, he's straightened out now. We'll see.

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

D Wright has been crushing the ball lately.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@iamjimmybx You would have traded Seaver after his 11-11 season, wouldn't you, Jimmy. The next year he was 21-9.

theglider
theglider

Perhaps. And let him play first or second. But the kid is not a shortstop. The position requires a fielder which he is not.

bigslick
bigslick

Mets pitching staff is top notch and the hitting has come alive - we can do it. Just to need to bring in Wally!

theglider
theglider

And you'd replace him with??

jenkins
jenkins

@theglider I don't think Flores is a SS-never have. I think he's a 2b, 3b, or 1b. But if they had him up here to play SS-they should have played him at SS for a month. He also could have platooned with Duda, rested Murphy and Wright, and started 5 times a week that way.


He got no chance to prove anything.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@theglider If I were drafting an expansion team, if he were available I'd take Wilmer in a heartbeat.  He'd be my first pick.

1harris1
1harris1

@jenkins @1harris1 @Kyle Suta  I agree with you Jenkins.  I see Murphy getting traded as well, sooner than later.  


It will be an interesting day on this site if that indeed happens.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@jenkins @theglider Terry likes Ruben - that can't be denied.  But the way Sandy badmouthed Ruben all last winter, I don't think he feels the same way.

blueorange
blueorange

@jimmy. So who this better bat/defensive at SS that will arrive for Murphy ?

jenkins
jenkins

@1harris1 @jenkins @Kyle Suta Hahaha. It's gonna be heaven--and hell-- on that day.


But by the end of the year when people realize how little the offense misses Murphy and how they can win without him-it will pass.


The truth is they've never won with him.


I think Flores will hit enough that they have to find a place for him when Herrera is ready. He should have been platooning with Duda  all year (at least.)


Also, nobody was a bigger fan of Murphy when he first came up than I. Then I saw him play the field, and it became, "Where can we hide him?" 

blueorange
blueorange

I hope your right because to me it seems kind of stupid to trade one of your best bats for one that you hope performs in NY. How many big bats have the mets signed over the years that come to NY and suck.

jenkins
jenkins

@Doubleday @jenkins @theglider What I don't get is: If Tejada earned Collins' respect by attending the winter conditioning program-Why didn't Flores earn the same by completing the same program?


And if Alderson's position has then softened on Tejada, why hasn't it softened on Flores?


It makes no sense.

1harris1
1harris1

@jenkins @1harris1 @Kyle Suta  I respect Murph for having worked very hard to make himself serviceable at 2B, but he'll never be truly good there defensively.  And while his bat is clearly above average for the position, management doesn't view it as being enough to make him worth the money they'll have to pay him if they keep him beyond this year.  Flores really has nothing left to prove offensively at Triple A; and the only way he becomes impactful for the Mets is by playing regularly at 2b (they don't think he can play SS capably; and he's obviously not playing every day at 3b).


Collins made some very cryptic comments to the media  regarding what he told Flores upon informing him that he was being sent down.  The gist of it was that WIlmer needed to go down to play both 2B and SS, and that when he returns he will undoubtedly play regularly.  He then added that he told WIlmer to "stay ready because you never know what can happen over the next 2-3 weeks".  To me, that was Terry tipping off the fact that something is up with Murphy.


Herrera is still a couple of years away, but he's looked good every place he's been thus far.  Him and Black as the return on Byrd might turn out to be a nice coup for Sandy.  We'll see. 

jenkins
jenkins

@Sean Garcia just a matter of the best deal with an AL team. They won't give him the money even for half a year.

jenkins
jenkins

@1harris1 that's a smart post, harris. The thing about Herrera is not only that he hits wherever he goes, but he comes in like gangbusters right from the start with each promotion. He starts out hitting .330 and he stays there until they have to promote him.


He's doing that now with the B's, and I think he'll be with LV this year-or in the spring at the latest. I think he'll be with the Mets in 2015.


If you compare him to say-Nimmo-he is the complete opposite. Nimmo takes months to adapt to the upgrade of talent with each promotion. He's also doing that presently. A lot of people think Nimmo will reach the Mets in 2016. I don't. I think he could be with the Mets in 2017, play effectively in 2018 and be Von Hayes in 2020.


That's simply their history. Each player has their own timetable.

jenkins
jenkins

@Sean Garcia They are in the power position right now on Murphy and Colon. If they wait to trade Murphy-they lose the incentive of a pennant race. Everybody wants a bat for the pennant drive, and they don't have to suffer by playing him in the field.



1harris1
1harris1

@jenkins @1harris1 Yes, but  Nimmo did hit very well though right from the outset at St. Lucie this season, which I guess is considered to be a level higher than where he was last year.  He'll probably stay at AA for the remainder of this season.  Interestingly, as young as Nimmo is, he's a year older than Herrera. Some people are concerned as to whether he'll hit with the kind of power you'd want in a corner outfielder, but he'll continue to fill out, which in turn should translate into more power.  I like the Von Hayes comparison. 

blueorange
blueorange

@jenkins. Murphy is not a gold glove but him being a liability is just repeating what the talking heads say. He makes a lot of nice plays on defense. I get tired of hearing this nonsense that he can't play defense. Sure he doesn't compare to the best defensive 2b, but he is still solid.

blueorange
blueorange

Dude, it's a long season. Why don't you just watch the games and see how it plays out . You were probably complaining about Granderson and demanding they dump him. You were probably outraged they took Meija out of the rotation. Wright contract isn't killing this team

mike23
mike23

@iamjimmybx @Doubleday I think there are many reasons wright hasn't been playing as well as you would like. First one is he doesn't have much protection in the lineup and hasn't for some time, second would be you over estimating what you think he should be doing based on his salary... David Wright is not a power hitter or a big time stolen base guy etc.. he is an above avg. player who will hit for a good avg, provide some home runs, steal a base at times, and he's knocked in almost 50 runs so far this season, he will also play solid defense at 3B as well as be a team leader on and off the field. 


Mets have bigger issues than for anyone to complain about Wright. I'm sure every team in baseball would take him as their 3b and have no concerns about it.