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Mets will stick with six OFers after break

The Mets will stick with their current roster construction after the All-Star break, Terry Collins said on Sunday (ESPN, July 13).

The team currently has six outfielders on the roster and no backup shortstop. Eric Campbell started at second base on Sunday, in place of All-Star Daniel Murphy.

Ruben Tejada has started 19 games in a row at shortstop for the Mets, and has hit .266 with a .382 OBP. He has just one double and has driven in five runs. He has 10 walks, two intentional walks and struck out 12 times.

Meanwhile, Wilmer Flores, demoted to Triple-A in late June, is hitting .356 with a .380 on base percentage and .726 slugging percentage in 18 games. He has six doubles, seven home runs and 28 RBI in just 73 at bats.




301 comments
donw
donw

The 6 OF + 1 SS thing combined with rumors (if true) they will deal Colon tells us Sandy and co. are not going for it this year, no matter how well they play after the break and no matter how close they are to a wild card.  Guaranteed we will lose a game or 2 because TC can't hit for Tejada or a key error is made in the infield by someone playing out of position.

Jack Kratzer
Jack Kratzer

Terrible idea!! Might as well start selling after the break!

WoodsideNative
WoodsideNative

Mets announcers, most others you read, say it's wrong. Only Alderson and his puppets would say otherwise.

Scrubs
Scrubs

TC will run Tejada into the ground. At least until Campbell muffs  a play that costs us a game. Unbelievably shortsighted. 

upstaphan
upstaphan

6 OF seems a little excessive doesn't it?

Michael Portanova
Michael Portanova

If you wanna talk a valuable trade chip am I the only one who would trade d'Arnaud in a heartbeat? The guy is already 26 and has done absolutely nothing in the majors.  I'm #TeamPlawecki all the way. d'Arnaud's only tool is that he can hit for power, Plawecki has been a lot more consistent in the minor than d'Arnaud ever was and Plawecki has the physical build you want at catcher. d'Arnaud next to Saltalamacchia looked like a little leaguer. Sell sell sell on the overrated d'Arnaud

Michael Portanova
Michael Portanova

Duda's performance would up his trade stock a bit and would clear that spot for Flores but honestly Tejada did not win the job at short. Mets pitchers opened the season 0 for the century and everyone was talking about Tejada's on base percentage when the only reason it was high was because they were walking him to get to the pitcher. Tejada is not average at any aspect of baseball. Bad range, no power, not good at hitting for contact, low speed, maybe you say he has a DECENT arm. Look, Flores isn't gonna win any gold gloves out there but he looks like a guy who can hit 280 plus and at his peak maybe average 15-25 homers a year and that will overshadow his fielding. This is an organization that put Daniel Murphy in LF, is it so crazy to put Flores at short and let him prove himself?

eric88
eric88

It is hard to listen to the folks who say anything about Flores D at SS. I didn't see any upgrade with Tejada. RT is constantlyflopping around on the ground because unless a ground ball is routinely hit near him, he can not reach a ball hit with any velocity more than 6 to 8 feet to his R or L without going on the ground and has no arm. This does not even account for his mental errors which has cost us several games including Three in late June in a 9 game span. The difference between his O and Flores's O cannot be overcome unless he was Ozzie Smith like. I am not even sure his D is better than Flores if the latter played everyday. Flores has more length an a far superior arm and will be a threat every time he comes up, something RT couldn't even dream of.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Food for thought:  Last year Tejada played 60 games in Las Vegas and hit .288 with 2 HR and 24 RBI.  If you want a fair comparison, compare that to Wilmer's stats this year on the same team, with the same manager, playing in the same parks  - 46 games .326 12 HR and 53 RBI

theglider
theglider

For all of those clamoring for Wally Backman ponder this: Backman isn't playing Flores at short.

Flores has played second and third in Vegas but only two games at short. They don't put him in the field in AAA at shortstop and people want him to play there in the majors?

Kyle Fox
Kyle Fox

For ANYONE saying that "Wilmer is not the answer at short - all bat, no go glove, blah blah blah" either has very short memories for this team or simply don't even remember who OUR ALL STAR is this year...a Mr Daniel Murphy... The same guy that, for YEARS, we were told "he has no true position, he can only hit, he'll never have the range to play second...". And you guys want to give up on Wilmer because Terry didn't have the backbone to play him more than 2 games in a row as a starter?? Jeez, we're going to miss out on something BIG if Wilmer doesn't get his chance here to play...

bigslick
bigslick

Mets to make the playoffs ths year - easy as 1 2 3

1. Replace Terry with Wally

2. Bring up Flores to start at SS (Tejada can be a late inning defensive replacement)

3. Platoon Capt Kirk and Soup in LF

LGM!!!

queva
queva

Of course Flores is hitting now--he's in the minors!

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

@Michael Portanova Have you not seen him perform the last few weeks? have you not seen the performance of the pitching staff with him catching? I don't live and die from what I read on the sports pages but recently on Daily News Live John Harper (Whom I really respect) said virtually every major league scout thinks D'arnoud is an exceptional player with High level skills and were also surprised he wasn't hitting. I would like you to know that last month I was all for dumping him as I thought he looked like a little leager at the plate-Now-my opinion has been reversed

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@Michael Portanova  You don't know what you are talking about. He is going to find it and become a 25 homer guy. He has a swing that generates a lot of power and goes to all fields well. He has hit some balls into the gaps with a lot of authority. He was clearly confused at the plate earlier this year with the dopey strike hunting nonsense. He has also been hurt a lot which has slowed his progression at the ML level. All the scouts have raved about his hitting skills and he has a great swing. Catchers progress slower because all of the things they have to learn on the defensive side. Whether he is injury prone because of his "slight" build is another story.

mike23
mike23

@Michael Portanova He's 25 if that matters but of course i'd like to have seen a little more production offensively from his so far (he has definitely been better since he was recalled from AAA, he looks much more comfortable at the plate etc.. ....


but anyway if the right deal came along for a young/power hitter outfielder or SS who has had a a consistent career, healthy etc.. than i'd probably have no problem including d'arnaud IF and another IF the mets truly believe Plawecki is going to be a good catcher soon and can handle the staff better than Travis as well as the defensive abilities etc..... I think the pitching staff likes throwing to Travis as well. 

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

@Michael Portanova Tejada may not be the answer but his defense over the last 8 weeks has been excellent and he's made many plays that I'm not sure Flores could make. Remember you have top be strong up the middle. They need a totally legit player and I don't know if one is out there to get.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@theglider Wilmer was sent down, reports say, with a pep talk from Terry telling him to play 1B, 2B, SS, AND 3B to be, "Ready in case something happens."  Someone is going to be traded.  Could be Murph.  Could be Duda.  Heck, it could be Tejada.  3B, IMO, was in case David had to go on the DL.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Let me be perfectly clear - I do not hate Ruben Tejada.  I just think the time has come to see what we really have in Flores.

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

@Kyle Fox i understand what your saying, but you really can't compare 2B to SS.  SS is considered to be the hardest and most important position to play. You really don't want to mail it i there.   You can tolerate a liability as 2B if the player is hitting but it isn't very smart to have a hole at SS, especially since your 2B is also sort of a liability 

1harris1
1harris1

@bigslick  Ha!  Option No: 3 is the likeliest.  Option No: 1 has no shot of happening as long as Sandy is in charge.

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

That would be great if all those happened but no.1 isn't realistic and even they all happen we still most likely are not a playoff team.

jenkins
jenkins

@queva that's the only place the Mets let him play-what do you expect?

Michael Portanova
Michael Portanova

I do though. His defense is overrated. Ok maybe he'll hit 20 home runs but Plawecki looks like a guy who can hit 300 and hit 10 plus home runs every year with solid defense. He's been way more consistent than d'Arnaud in the minors. If teams ask for d'Arnaud I would not hesitate to deal him for a LF or SS knowing that I have Plawecki in AAA. But knowing the mets they'll dump Plawecki and he'll become the best in the league.

jenkins
jenkins

@cleonsvan that's just an excuse about "catchers progress slower." Darno had major holes in his swing and no aggressiveness. Hopefully, he's straightened out now. We'll see.

Michael Portanova
Michael Portanova

@mike23 d' Arnaud is awful defensively. If i have to watch him back hand another ball in the dirt as it inevitably goes to the backstop im gonna flip out. All he can do is frame a pitch.

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

D Wright has been crushing the ball lately.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@iamjimmybx You would have traded Seaver after his 11-11 season, wouldn't you, Jimmy. The next year he was 21-9.

theglider
theglider

Perhaps. And let him play first or second. But the kid is not a shortstop. The position requires a fielder which he is not.

Sean Garcia
Sean Garcia

But why would you trade a good bat in murphy for another good bat in a another position why don't we just trade pitching wich we have an abundance of for a bat and keep both in the lineup

bigslick
bigslick

Mets pitching staff is top notch and the hitting has come alive - we can do it. Just to need to bring in Wally!

Michael Portanova
Michael Portanova

Just my opinion but I really think Plawecki is gonna be better

theglider
theglider

And you'd replace him with??

jenkins
jenkins

@theglider I don't think Flores is a SS-never have. I think he's a 2b, 3b, or 1b. But if they had him up here to play SS-they should have played him at SS for a month. He also could have platooned with Duda, rested Murphy and Wright, and started 5 times a week that way.


He got no chance to prove anything.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@theglider If I were drafting an expansion team, if he were available I'd take Wilmer in a heartbeat.  He'd be my first pick.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@jenkins @theglider Terry likes Ruben - that can't be denied.  But the way Sandy badmouthed Ruben all last winter, I don't think he feels the same way.

blueorange
blueorange

@jimmy. So who this better bat/defensive at SS that will arrive for Murphy ?

jenkins
jenkins

@Doubleday @jenkins @theglider What I don't get is: If Tejada earned Collins' respect by attending the winter conditioning program-Why didn't Flores earn the same by completing the same program?


And if Alderson's position has then softened on Tejada, why hasn't it softened on Flores?


It makes no sense.

blueorange
blueorange

Dude, it's a long season. Why don't you just watch the games and see how it plays out . You were probably complaining about Granderson and demanding they dump him. You were probably outraged they took Meija out of the rotation. Wright contract isn't killing this team

mike23
mike23

@iamjimmybx @Doubleday I think there are many reasons wright hasn't been playing as well as you would like. First one is he doesn't have much protection in the lineup and hasn't for some time, second would be you over estimating what you think he should be doing based on his salary... David Wright is not a power hitter or a big time stolen base guy etc.. he is an above avg. player who will hit for a good avg, provide some home runs, steal a base at times, and he's knocked in almost 50 runs so far this season, he will also play solid defense at 3B as well as be a team leader on and off the field. 


Mets have bigger issues than for anyone to complain about Wright. I'm sure every team in baseball would take him as their 3b and have no concerns about it.