Nick Franklin, Mike Leake

Mets will scout Franklin, who can be an everyday SS

The Mets will scout M’s SS Nick Franklin throughout spring training, and then decide if he’s worth acquiring in trade, a team source said (Harper, Feb. 26).

Last year in his big-league debut, Franklin, 22, hit around .290 until a big slump in July. He finished the year batting .225 with 12 HR, 45 RBI and 113 strikeouts in 96 games.

The teams likes Franklin’s power, but have questions about his defense (Harper, Feb. 26).

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The Mariners wanted a young pitcher, I heard a Vic Black, Jake deGrom type, back around the time of the Winter Meetings, similar to the type of arm Sandy Alderson has been asking in return for Ike Davis.

Yesterday, I said I’d rather sign free-agent SS Stephen Drew to a two-year, $20 million deal than trade a useful pitcher for Franklin. However, this morning I talked with MLB’s prospect expert Jonathan Mayo who may have changed my mind, as he told me:

“Franklin is a better defender than Wilmer Flores. … If Franklin is your every-day shortstop, it’s because you’re OK with having a more offensive-minded shortstop. He’ll make the routine plays. He’s a good athlete. But, he wouldn’t ge a great shortstop. … If you graded him out, only the hit tool grades out above average. … He’s the kind of guy that could probably give you 15 HR and 15 stolen bases every year.”

Mayo said he would rather acquire Franklin than sign free-agent Stephen Drew.

I also talked today with someone who has watched Franklin closely the last few years and he described the infielder as ‘tough,’ ‘aggressive,’ ‘run-through-a-brick-wall type of player.’

I still don’t think I’d give up Black, and I certainly wouldn’t trade Rafael Montero for him (nor would the Mets, by the way). But, if Tejada isn’t looking legit enough, and if Wilmer Flores still isn’t ready, and if Drew is still asking for the moon, I could be convinced to give up a Triple-A prospect to get this kid, so long as it’s not Montero or Noah Syndergaard.




176 comments
BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Interesting, this was from Law's chat today on Franklin:

Chris (NYC)


 

Do you think Nick Franklin can play an adequate MLB shortstop?

Klaw (1:12 PM)


 

I actually do. Maybe somewhere between 0 to -5 runs a year on defense, but with his bat, that will work - and I won't rule out the possibility that he can be more than that. He has unusually good instincts out there.

Daniel Stephen Katz
Daniel Stephen Katz

Franklin has a lot more upside, highly touted coming up, .225 really means nothing. He hit 12 hrs last year in a limited sample. Thats a lot more than Tejada can do over 3 seasons. Would love to have Franklin, at the right price of course.

eric88
eric88

SANDY, don't scout him, GET him.

eric88
eric88

They don't want to spend money and they don't want to give up a prospect. Well lets get them Alladin's Lamp then they can rub it and get three wishes.

nymess
nymess

I know it depends on who the Mets would need to give up in a trade, but all things equal - Owings or Franklin? 

buddyryan
buddyryan

Trades I'd like to see:

Wilpons for Bill DeWitt

Alderson for Jon Daniels

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

Mets shouldn't have wanted to trade them before the issues with Neise and Colon. Who did they think was gonna replace them?

bingmets
bingmets

The diamondbacks are looking for a young catcher and outfielders for one of their ss. Give them plawecki and den dekker for owings. Owings could then be our lead off guy which would allow lagares to start everyday. I'd rather owings over franklin any day

Peter Simon
Peter Simon

Here is a thought: we all know about late game "defensive replacements" in the outfield when a team is well ahead. Well, how about applying that strategy at ss - Wilmer starts, then gets replaced late in games by a Tovar type (note: not necessarily Tejada)? Not a GREAT solution, but worthy of consideration....? 

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

Adam Rubin just tweeted that the Dbacks "covet" a young catching prospect in exchange for one of their shortstops. Chris Owings might yet again be back on the table. Plawecki for Owings? 

Nicholas Catalano
Nicholas Catalano

Doing some research and comparisons between Franklin's and Flores' stats in the minors it really isn't that much of a difference except for the K's, which Franklin wiffs A LOT.


Also, Flores has a .959 FDP% at SS to Franklin's .949%. 


Both are 22 so why trade for Franklin when you can give Flores a shot in spring training?

buddyryan
buddyryan

With Tejada they are a 70-73 win team...with Franklin or Drew they are maybe a 73-76 win team.  Does it matter?

cpamerica5
cpamerica5

Does anyone now how close or far apart Nick Franklin is from Chris Owings as a prospect?

elchicano
elchicano

Mets need to play Flores at SS, keep Tejada and Q around if Wilmer fails. Unless we can pull off a trade of course

Edward Ayala Jr.
Edward Ayala Jr.

I don't think the Mets should give up a young stud pitcher such as deGrom, Mejia, Familia, Montero or Gee for an infielder who hit .225 last year. You might as well keep Tejada for a player like that. Remember, in the two previous years for the Mets, Tejada hit in the 280's and he's still only 24 years old. You can never have enough pitching and the Mets should not trade any of their pitching prospects for this shortstop. Hopefully, the Mets won't make a trade out of haste and desperation that they'll soon regret.

upstater
upstater

Why do you and others keep suggesting Flores as a shortstop? He had questionable range at 2B throughout his minor-league career and SS requires much more range than SS. SS is the most important defensive position besides catcher. He'll lose the team a lot of games at that position. I'd rather have a Tovar there even if he doesn't hit.

eric88
eric88

The Mets have enough pitching at all levels so if they really want Franklin they will get him. They have such a dearth of middle infielders  that they may have to overpay, so what overpay in this case.

Joseph Baffi
Joseph Baffi

mets been waiting for 3 yrs for duda and tedja to devlope there not even good bench players everywhere in mlb the young players are proving selfs earlier then ever

Andrew Sodergren
Andrew Sodergren

Not sure if the Mets would do this, but I think they should pursue signing Drew and trading for Franklin. Then you can flip Murphy and possibly recoup some of the prospects lost in a trade for Franklin. Their middle infield defense improves, and I actually think Franklin could give you close or more than what Murphy would if given the chance over a full season. I'd also work Flores at short, second and first in AAA this season. If Duda/Davis flops, maybe Flores could play first. Just spitballing here, but it might actually make some sense.

willymayshays
willymayshays

deGrom is the guy who could get this done.  Franklins ability to hit for some power and steal a few bases is similar to deGroms ability to start and control a FB that hits 96.  There are some questions about deGroms ability to start in the majors, but there are also doubts Franklin can even play SS well enough.   And then there's the fact that he finished the season with an avg .023 points above Tejada's dreadful season.   


Franklin would be a great addition, IMO, but not for Montero/Flores plus Black/deGrom



eric88
eric88

@nymess  Outside of THOR it does not matter who we have to give up, it has to be done because they are to cheap to sign Drew.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@nymess  

That's a good question.  I'd say Owings, but I'd have to know more about their  fielding.  Too often people care more about offense with the most important defensive position.  (aside from catching)  As far as I know both have many talking 2B in the future.  



foley
foley

@bingmets  Why??? Their minor league stats aren't even close to comparable.  Franklin blows him away.  But also no way your deal is near enough for Owings. 

eric88
eric88

When and if the Mets Wake up Flores will be a 10 year 1st baseman for us.

eric88
eric88

Franklin, more upside.

willymayshays
willymayshays

Alderson does not want to overpay, nor should anyone with half a brain.  Why overpay for an unknown commodity he is still a prospect.  questionable defense, 225 avg.  I'd take a chance on him, but trading Neise for him... a little nutty buddy.   Oh and by the way Neise is a 2/3 pitcher not a 4/5. 

eric88
eric88

And they will keep waiting. It's fruitless.

eric88
eric88

@Joseph Baffi  Tejada can't develop. He is to limited athletically. Develop into what no range, no power, no speed, no arm. Him developing is a hoax because they won't spend.

metstastic
metstastic

Now is not the year to trade Niese. Harvey goes down. We needed a 4th starter and a 5th starter in case Mejia is not ready. Now you want to trade one of our top 3 starters? For what?

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

What makes you think Seattle would trade the number25 prospect in all of baseball last year for a number 4 or 5 starter who was injured last year?Neise had zero value this offseason,you do know the other teams in the league know what's going on with injuries.For him to have any trade value he would have had to go through a full season injury free.If you think he is exactly what Seattle is looking for,I'd question who the dumb one is

eric88
eric88

@Andrew Sodergren   Andrew, you nailed it. i would do exactly what you say. I fear the Mets don't get it and it won't happen. Franklin and Flores, both 22 would be the right side of the infield for a decade.

eric88
eric88

?@willymayshays   The Mets opening day lineup has FIVE PLAYERS WHO HIT AROUND .200 BA last year. The worst ODL in MLB history in terms of BA!!! So forgive us if we think about offense.

eric88
eric88

READ THE POST. I said I see him as a 4 or 5 0n a good team. Number two, he is not even a 3. You listen to the Mets to much. There is no real contender where he is a 2 or 3, only on a team like ours you silly man.

eric88
eric88

There are times you are over paid like the Dickie as an example to us There are times you overpay based on need. We have a need and Niese is marginal and there are many in house candidates. Sandy over paid for Colon and Grandy. Anybody with a 1/4 of a brain would have never made your ridiculous post,WOW!

eric88
eric88

You completly missed my point. As I predicted he will be out now anyway. Please read the WHOLE post.

eric88
eric88

A great RHP is preferable.

eric88
eric88

@Ed Yano  NONSENSE, Teams were asking for him because he missed 5 starts for pain ,but came back for 7 more starts. Teams do not consider him a 4 or 5 starter, I do based on what I see. In fact the Mets told us he was the ACE with Harvey out. I don;t know what they were looking at. I know Seattle would have LOVED to have him.

Andrew Sodergren
Andrew Sodergren

@Steven Matregrano As Mets fans, we tend to overrate Murphy a bit. He doesn't hit .300 every season. In fact, he's done it just once, in an injury-shortened year (well twice if you include the 50 or so games he played as a rookie in 2008). Plus, that .285 to .290 average comes with a very low OBP, so he isn't quite as valuable as one would think. I like Murph and nowhere did I say they should give him away. I just don't think he's some irreplaceable piece like some do.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

You know they looked into trading Murphy this off season and couldn't find a deal.Obviously they do get it but we're not going to give Murphy away.

metstastic
metstastic

Right... They want a couple of relievers for a former first round pick.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@Eric Koeller @willymayshays I'd do both for Franklin.

foley
foley

@eric88  Perhaps he's right.  Maybe you need a whole brain to properly evaluate Nick Franklin's body of work and the level of prospect he is rather than on his 96 game rookie season.  And maybe you need a whole brain to realize to date that Niese is a solid no. 4 starter who shows glimpses of being more, has had injury issues and is going to get paid a lot of money soon.

eric88
eric88

Anybody who spend almost 1500 innings a year in the field is gonna make a highlight, he'll,Duda had a highlight, so what. Tejada sucks.

foley
foley

@eric88 @Ed Yano  Cool.  Help us all out.  Who in the Seattle front office is your source?