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Mets want Jacob deGrom to pitch through end of season

Jacob deGrom’s return from rotator cuff tendinitis Saturday night in Los Angeles, but surrendered five earned runs over six innings with seven strikeouts and two walks against the Dodgers.

“I felt good,” deGrom said after the game. “A lot of outings come down to that few pitches, and tonight I didn’t make the big pitches when I needed to.”

The Mets want him pitching through the end of the season and do intend to skip starts or limit his innings (NY Post, Aug. 24).

“There’s a lot of advantage to it, and that is to learn how to do it,” Terry Collins said about deGrom pitching a full year in the rotation. “For players who have never had to play or pitch through that sixth month, that’s a tough task. … To have him pitch through September, that’s a big help when we get into a pennant race.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The math doesn’t add up, especially if they wanted to keep him around 180 innings for the season. He’s got about seven starts left, so my hunch is they’ll go with a six-man rotation and/or use off days to space things out. I suppose the team could have had a total change of heart about this policy, but – assuming the haven’t – the rotation will need to be tinkered with in some way to get deGrom to game 162.




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hashburry
hashburry

Why bother with throwing in how many innings deGrom has pitched.  103 in the majors, but how many at AAA?  Just make an unsupported statement he has 7 starts left, and don't articulate if that is how many he has based on innings left to get to 180 or if it is how many he has if he were ti stay in the rotation.  The Mets have 32 games left.  So he actually would limey get 6 starts.  It isn't exactly calculus to figure out how to manage his innings to get him through September.  But Cerrone just goes 10% of the way in his "analysis" and doesn't bother with facts or actual thought.  Leave it to the minions.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Oh come on, they want Jake to pitch another month to prove to potential suitors that his shoulder is sound, so they can think about trading him, this winter.  Period.

cba62
cba62

@1harris1  from 1946-1956 11 years Dodgers- 6 -world series apperances Giants- 2- total- 8 ny nl pennants. From 1962-2014 , 52 years mets 4 world series appearances  . So what nl team  really owned ny  ?

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

Im sure Bartolo will be glad to get away from the NY Mess and get on a real team.

Mei Vinn
Mei Vinn

The suffering continues........the fans of the team on the other side of town are laughing at us AGAIN. The AL East is so bad this year that the Yanks have a chance to make it to the playoffs despite losing two of their best pitchers! Maybe the organization should change the team name to Muts!

jimm1200
jimm1200

Think this is Colon's last start as a Met?


He's on waivers finally. Now to see which team wants him for next season and for the final month of this season (and playoffs, obviously)

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

The Mets should not change from the original plan of limiting deGrom's pitches for the season. At this point, the season is over for the Mets competing for a playoff spot. No need to over use Jacob just to fill some seats in CitiField. Sandy has some serious work to accomplish over the winter to address this mess of a team.

dearleader
dearleader

Alderson and Collins couldn't run a lemonade stand, much less deGrom's throwing schedule.


When will the Fan Confidence Rating chart be updated? Take it off or UPDATE IT.

shea
shea

I have full faith in Alderson to do whats needed and right....look at this year...Young was a great get...and Granderson, I mean what more can you say, he was brought in to provide power and has been such a diaster that they need to bat him leadoff (again, the guy brought in for power is now hitting leadoff) because if we dont bat him leadoff (and thus he doesnt see all fastballs) he is incompetent. 

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

mets are just a cluster f*** mess....they really are

Scott Paley
Scott Paley

How does the math not add up? If he pitches every fifth game the rest of the season he only has six more starts.

shea
shea

Insight into Mets Management, driven by the financials:


Pitch him till his arm falls off !!!!

His next start will likely take him over his career high....pitch him another 60 or so innings after that and try to get him hurt.


Why you ask???


Cause if we can get him hurt, we can use that injury as justification for punting on 2015 and not spending money once again!   Think it cant happen....look at this year!

cba62
cba62

Basicley the NL in NY has not been revelent since 1957. This franchise in the last 52 years has not come close what we had from the mid 40s till the Dodgers and Giants left. in 57. The payroll to possibly be one of the lowest 3 in mlb by year end shows how much ownership NEEDS to be changed. What a shame older NL fans in NY has had to endure for more than 50 years

shea
shea

A employee on Wilpons payroll says "the Math doesnt add up".......where the hell where you 7 years ago when someone needed to say that!

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

COLLINS was referring to the cellar pennant race...so please don't confuse that with an actual pennant race and playoffs. 

Art Dockerty
Art Dockerty

Why do u think they shut him down for 2 weeks.

shea
shea

IF the mets can move Colon, combined with moving Ike earlier in the year.....the Mets payroll would be bottom 3 in all of MLB.....bottom 3!!!!


In a year they said all along to look towards.....we may soon have one of the lowest payrolls in the game. 



gasparsarm
gasparsarm

It's funny - old school says push, be tough, go to the end...

And evidence says when you are pitching tired, that's when you sustain damage to tendons and wind up with Tommy John.  Pushing to the end may be pitching tired.


Just saying.

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

To have him pitch through September, that’s a big help when we get into a pennant race.” What pennant race is he speaking of. Collins you're an idiot.

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

@cba62 Let's not forget that the LCS was implemented in 1969 so before that teams only had to win their division and go straight to the WS. 

1harris1
1harris1

@cba62 Look at the attendance figures of the Mets and Yankees from 1969-through the mid 70's; and then from the mid 80's to the early 90's.  What team in NY drew the most fans, attendance wise (by a significant margin)?


The 1969 and 1986 Mets are amongst the most famous teams in NY sports history.  Yet you say that national league baseball "hasn't been relevant in NY since 1957".


Again, pour me a glass of whatever you're drinking this morning.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

Both Fred and Jeff and even Sandy, Don't make 1 Branch Rickey!

ventura_4
ventura_4

The Angels would probably be the team to grab him, but they have last dibs and the Yankees and Orioles are claiming everyone; I don's see Colon moving.

1harris1
1harris1

@jimm1200  I'll say: yes, today will be Bartolo's final act as a Met.  Nobody will claim him, and then the Angels will cave and take on the remainder of his contract.  Alderson will extract a semi decent A ball league prospect in return.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

@shea . . .Sandy has done a fine job of building the farm system but fails miserably when it come to the Mets. You can't build a quality club with sub-average and recycled players, its that simple.

jaydhn
jaydhn

@shea   Sandy really can't do anything right except hosing desparate teams.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

@shea . . . The Mets feel a pitcher should blow out their arm and get TJ surgery out of the way..... That seems to be the plan. 

frustrated
frustrated

@shea they are going to punt 2015 unless proven otherwise.  6 straight years with no pennant race.  One of many things will happen.  Harvey will suffer a complication.  One or 2 of the other young pitchers will get hurt.  Some sort of excuse will happen doe SA to quit on 2015 before it starts.  There will be some sort of Chris Young like signing to try and prove to the fan base they are "trying"

1harris1
1harris1

@shea  The question is will they reinvest Colon's money into the team?  As little faith as I have in our ownership, I believe that they will do that.  It obviously wouldn't be done though until the offseason.

sayhey24
sayhey24

We are a mess. Who is doing the poorer job, Sandy or Terry? Its almost impossible to tell, especially since Sandy is so pleased with Collins that he is looking to bring him back, despite the fact that our team hasnt sniffed contention during his tenure. Bottom line is that if the head stinks, the tail is going to stink too.

shea
shea

@jaydhn @shea and reducing payroll (at what we must assume is the behest of his bosses)....he has been EXCELLENT at that.


You could make the case his ability to constantly reduce payroll has enabled his boss to maintain control of the team....in that view he is an excellent GM and employee. 

shea
shea

@frustrated @shea

Maybe Alderson can get us another power bat....and then have him be so bad that we resort to batting him leadoff in a desperate attempt to get him all fastballs so the guy can barely remain above .200 and we dont have to concede he is useless. 

cough cought granderson cough cough

Mark Phelan
Mark Phelan

@1harris1 @cba62 cba is correct.  Im an old guy:  Dodgers & Giants, and NL baseball in NY was a special thing.

shea
shea

@1harris1 @shea why in hell would you believe that?


Wright took a paycut last year....that money was used to sign.............

Santana came off the books.....that money was used to sigh........

New MLB tv deal put money in each team....that money was used to sign......

Payroll has come off the books for sometime now....they have used it for a variety of needs, (minority investors, bridge loans, debt restructuring) anything but player payroll.

1harris1
1harris1

@Mark Phelan @1harris1 @cba62  He's not correct on the "NL in NY not being relevant since 1957".  The Mets owned the town in the late 60's and early 70's; and again throughout the mid 80's to the very early 90's.  Even in"06-"08, the Mets were drawing more than 3 million people to Shea.


C'mon already.  I defer to you when it comes to the Dodgers and the Giants from the old days, but you can't say National League baseball in NY hasn't been relevant since 1957.



1harris1
1harris1

@shea  Ha!  Maybe you're right.


If they've set a budget in the 85 million dollar range, which was apparently the case this season, they should be able to take Colon's money and reinvest it back into the team.  The front office would tell you that the money "saved" on Wright and Colon was used on Granderson, CY and Colon.  If they get rid of Colon's contract, you're talking about 18 million dollars coming off the books between CY and Colon.  It's hard to fathom that even this ownership group, as abysmal as it is, wouldn't take a good deal of that money and reinvest it into the needs of the team.


But anything is possible.  I certainly wouldn't bet on anything involving an expenditure when it comes to the WIlpons.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@1harris1 @shea Sorry fellas but that 18M is already gone. Grandy incr. 3M, Niese 2M. Add all the arb increases for Gee, Duda, Meija, Murphy, etc. and there goes your 18m!

Colon will be moved just to maintain the same payroll

shea
shea

@1harris1 @shea the problem is the 85m budget....look at mlb team payrolls....85m in 2014 would put you 24th out of 30.


Teams (except the mets) are flush with money from new tv deals and spending it on players....thus 85m isnt what 85m used to be.


We need to compete, we need to compete on the field and off...if other teams are spending more, we need to spend more....we are in competition, you cant assess your budget in a vacuum and not look at what your competitors are doing. 

1harris1
1harris1

@Tarheel11 @1harris1 @shea  Ha!  Well, there's always Murphy who they could trade for prospects! 


If the Mets don't spend at all on players this offseason, the WIlpons will get crushed by every media member in this town, even the ones who have been making excuses for them for years.  And the players union will finally go berserk.  Remember also, Selig won't be around to make excuses for them either. 

1harris1
1harris1

@shea @1harris1  Yes, don't get me wrong.  I don't think they'll spend more next season than they did this year.  I just don't think they'll spend significantly less.


My prediction in terms of moves for next season: (1) Colon will be given away to some team.  Somebody out there will take his contract for next year; (2) Colon's money will be used on Asdrubal Cabrera, a free agent, to play SS for next season; (3) our starting LF come opening day in 2015 will be a platoon of den dekker and Alfonso Soriano (or some other retreat right handed hitting outfielder who won't cost anything).  That will be it for the moves. 


The front office will attempt to sell us on our "young guns": Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, Syndergaard, while making another 90 win "prediction" for next season,

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@1harris1 I've said it all along. The fans best hope is that Tony Clark and the PA start bitching. it is pathetic that a team in this market can't spend money. Affects every player in the union because a big market team is broke. 

shea
shea

@1harris1 when every team is increasing payroll....when the average salary increases.....then spending the same is NOT spending the same...its spending less.


If all your peers increase spending, and you stay steady...then relative to your competitors you have reduced payroll.  

1harris1
1harris1

@shea @1harris1  That's fair, but that still doesn't mean that they can't spend ANYTHING. If I understand you correctly, you're saying that ownership will not spend at all, and payroll will continue to significantly decrease.  I guess what I'm saying is that relative to where the Mets are payroll wise in comparison with the other teams this season, they'll be the same for next season, whatever that number is.


I could be wrong though.