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Mets unsure about Terry Collins’ future

It was reported last month that Terry Collins’ job was likely safe heading into 2015. Lately, there has been ‘genuine internal debate’ and ‘uncertainty’ regarding what will happen with Collins (Martino, September 4).

One Mets source told Andy Martino that there is “a ways to go” before the Mets decide whether or not to bring Collins back for 2015.

Writes Martino in the Daily News:

“The manager has his backers in the organization, and he has his detractors; both sides seem still to be discussing the future. I still believe that there is a slight lean toward the status quo, but also that the atypical lack of clarity is telling. In other words: It should be an interesting month.”

Collins, 65, was hired prior to the 2011 season. During his tenure, the Mets went 77-85 in 2011 and finished with a record of 74-88 in both 2012 and 2013. So far in 2014, the Mets have gone 66-74.

Collins is under contract for 2015 and the Mets hold a team option for 2016.




216 comments

Jeezus H. effing Xmas, Jerry Manuel posted a 79-83 record in 2010. In 3 full seasons Collins hasn't matched that and this season he MIGHT tie it. Manuel had 2 1/2 plus seasons. Collins gets 4 with BS results. Dump him already!

spo52
spo52

i hope the mets go 0 for sept. than mabe and just mabe the get rid  of TC and SA.

Steve Gottesman
Steve Gottesman

Internal debate and uncertainty??? Ya think? Really? That can be said of this entire franchise for the past EIGHT YEARS!!!!! This isn't just about Collins, who should NOT come back. The problems are much deeper..............

Brian Krysz
Brian Krysz

Did anyone read S A interview with the Binghamton paper? This man is an idiot. He basically said Reynolds and Flores will be at Short next year and den Decker will be in Left, with Nimmo starting the season in Vegas (What ?) He didn't hit well enough in PSL and Buing ?????

diazronald
diazronald

@twinoval Forget TC, WALLY FOR 2015 WHY, Terry Collins eats carrots & spits out bunnies. Wally Backman swallows gasoline & spits out napalm!

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

This team need Wally desperately. No more Howe/Randolph/Manuel/Collins. They were all the same wimps.

blueorange
blueorange

TC reached a milestone of 1500 games in losing fashion. How fitting, has he every been a winning manager? I understand the team he is given is sub par but his decision making has cost than as well. This teams needs a change in culture big time. We have all seen over the years in all sports the manager/coach being fired to spark a team. Well, this team needs a spark. I hear people comment about managers in NY need to be able to talk to the media. Well, TC is constantly sticking his foot in his mouth. I hate to say it but if it takes the mets playing poorly to get rid of TC let the chips fall where the may...

ventura_4
ventura_4

I think Gabe Kapler would be a good manager. He's a little more "new school" - he understands how people are interpreting the game at this point in time, and he's seems like a pretty smart guy.

But I'll take anyone at this point. Four losing seasons shouldn't guarentee a man his job.

Mark Kunzmann
Mark Kunzmann

This talk should be about S.A. Some things Collins has done has left me shaking my head, but I guess I could say that about any manager. The bigger question is why could we not pull the trigger on a big bat? We were pretty close at the deadline and yet nothing. Gotta give T.A. credit he keeps the team fired up for the most part.

A Pocono View_
A Pocono View_

While u can only do so much w/ hand ur dealt, he is certainly in part culpable for another lack luster yr .And while everyone says the team plays hard for him...they very often don't play right.And while he can be helpful in another role somewhere in Mets staff, hd mgr is not the spot....And i'm even less confident in next yr, w/ Sandy said they're gonna look w/ in org first b4,looking outside...you  know what u have inside, and the answer is not there..

matmil
matmil

At this point Collins getting the last 25 games is alright. If he gets them to .500 by the end of the year I will feel a lot better about him next year. We all have the ability to get better. But I doubt he's gonna make it.

ventura_4
ventura_4

Yup, status quo, status quo, status quo..... next year will be much like this year, just replace Colon with Harvey - they'll probably finish with the same amount of wins with this offense.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

hey, with Terry in tow, at least we have a shot at yet another bottom 10 finish, aka Top 10 protected draft pick! we're currently TIED for 10th...come on terry, keep pullin pitchers early, riding the same bullpen guys, pushing guys to play with injuries, and make baffling on field calls! We need that protected pick in case we decide to sign another 2 BOPPERS, a la Grandy and Chris Young!

Gland1
Gland1

I'm fine with Wally getting his shot. But people are really naive to think he would come up here and do whatever he wanted and not do things that Sandy told him to do. He may put up more of a fight behind the scenes, but if he was specifically told to do something he'd do it. If not he wouldn't be kept around. My guess is the only way he will get the job is if he proves that he is on the same page with Sandy....and that it will stay that way.

jaydhn
jaydhn

This has nothing to do with the players. It's all about getting rid of a below average decision maker manager. Sure we may not win more games, but I'll take my chances with a manager who is more right than wrong.

Colin Kelly
Colin Kelly

Its amazing how they can be on the fence about him. And i find it equally surprising the fans actually think Wally is the savior of this franchise.

fourwedges
fourwedges

I am more patient then most, especially on this Blog.  But, Terry has played his role during this stretch of years and its time to change the manager.  

He is a good baseball man and should be kept in the organization working with the younger players.  But its time to get some fire in the dugout for this (hopefully) next phase of the team (ala Davey Johnson in 1983).

We have a home grown successful manager in the minors who has paid his dues.  This should really be an easy decision.

Bill Myatt
Bill Myatt

Bring Backman to the Mets dugout after the PCL playoff are over and hopefully he wins the championship with the Las Vegas 51's!!



nncyel
nncyel

I don't care who manages the team. You want Wally Backman to manage instead of Terry Collins? Fine. But here's why it won't matter. I defy anyone on this blog to list the managers of the Mets since 1980 off the top of their head. I know I can't do it. Then list the ones you liked. There will probably be 3 that fans liked at least a little - Davey Johnson, Bobby Valentine, and Willie Randolph. Surprise, surprise they were the managers when the team was winning. Managers are defined by the success or lack thereof of their teams. And that is largely determined by the talent of the players on the team, not the managers skill at managing players and in-game strategy.


I don't think there's a single poster on this blog who has an intimate enough knowledge of either Wally Backman or Terry Collins or anyone else for that matter to know whether or not they should be hired or fired. I own my own business. I have to hire and fire people all the time. I have no idea whether or not I'd hire or fire TC or WB. I don't know them. I'd have to interact with them at least a little, be around them as they interacted with players in order to judge them. No one here is privy to that knowledge.

I won't know if Wally is the overall answer like most of us hope he is, but a Terry defiantly is not. Something's gotta change on this team & the attitude starts w/ the mgr. Wally deserves the shot, what's the worst that could happen we add another losing season as we did w/ Terry & co. Last 3 yrs?

Yazzy
Yazzy

Terry is not manager material like Wally Backman is.  He is a very good front office man and the Mets should keep him as such but not as a manager.  I know Alderson does not like or understand Backman but the players do and that is the answer to what the Mets need to do to re-establish themselves as contenders.  Simply put give Collns a job with the front office staff and bring Wally up to manage the 2015 NY Mets.

Adam Porte
Adam Porte

This team's struggles have very little to do with the manager. There isn't a manager in baseball that would have made this team a winning one over the last 3 years, and certainly not Wally!

nncyel
nncyel

@Mark Kunzmann Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Imagine you are TC. You just went through a season in which your outfielders were absolutely dreadful. Your best outfielder was traded away for prospects. Your SS is utility infielder. You don't know who's on first basebase because the organization can't be decisive and choose a player. Your C is an oft-injured rookie. You go to your GM and say "Give me something to work with. I need outfielders, a SS, a decision at 1B." He says fine. He gets 2 outfielders, does nothing at SS and the season starts with the same logjam at 1B. The outfielders he gets turn out to be busts. And the fans blame this on TC? I realize many want both to go. What frustrated fans often overlook is the value of organizational stability. I think SA deserves 2 more years to see if his rebuilding the Mets in the model of Atlanta and St. Louis work out. If not he should be fired and TC will be replaced as well. In the meantime Mets fans try to do something else with your time. The torches and pitchforks routine is getting a little old.

ventura_4
ventura_4

I don't see them going 15-7 the rest of the way. Especially having a bunch of games left with Washington. I'm calling another 74 win season.

matmil
matmil

A manager can only stop the meddling by proving that his methods lead to more wins.

blueorange
blueorange

@nncyel. I completely agree with what you said. However, I know TC isn't the only manager that makes mind boggling decision but that coupled with his unnecessary comments to the media that ends up sticking his foot in his mouth. This morning one of the new post about Collins and SA on this topic and it said they had no comment. It was staying in house. I didn't state verbatim what was said but you get the idea. My point is they have the ability not to comment yet TC even SA talk about things that should be kept internal. They say this player will do this or won't do that. They end up looking like idiots and go back on their word even if it's not the plan and just a thought. Stop thinking out loud to the public!

matmil
matmil

Agree, you never know how a person will react. But we have seen Terry. The verdict is in on him, I would think. Back mans reactions will only be known if he is hired. Why be afraid of change, it may work, if you don't try you will never know.

MetsGoLetsGo
MetsGoLetsGo

@nncyel Its impossible for us to judge him as a manager based on the behind the scenes stuff, but we see his decisions on a nightly basis in the dugout, and on almost a nightly basis he's making decisions that make no sense. Its not just the fans that see it too, its people who know baseball and get paid to talk about it.


And its true that a manager isn't a huge factor, but they can have a huge impact on a game every once in a while. If Terry is bad enough at making in-game decisions that it costs the team even one game more than the average MLB manager, then he should be let go. We've seen how big of a difference one game can make. Just because the team has bigger issues, doesn't mean we can't address this one. We have to stop settling for mediocrity and Terry Collins is even below that.

nncyel
nncyel

And how do you know that the Mets' players like Wally Backman and don't like Terry Collins? And should that be the main criterion for hiring a manager?

saxon
saxon

@Adam Porte 

I beg to differ with your post... 

"Unless Terry was told who to play"

What manager would have continued to play Chris Young everyday? Same goes for Curtis Granderson..and most of the year David Wright...

As Ron Darling said last game.."As a manager I have to put out a lineup that gives me the best chance of winning"... Terry has not done that knowing it wasn't his best lineup for 90% of this season... I believe when Chris Young should have been benched in May...Curtis a while ago...Terrys use of the bullpen, subs, game situation calls have been less than acceptable as a big league manager..


The reason I'm a believer in Wally is just about every guy on this team has WON with Wally and or came to him for help... He's a good fit right now for the Mets...

matmil
matmil

@Adam Porte Everybody who says that a good manager wouldn't make a difference in this lineup has never seen baseball prior to the steroid era I am willing to wager. There is much more to baseball than sitting around waiting for somebody to homer. We are now post steroids, back to the baseball of the 60's and 70's. Timely hitting, good defense and superior pitching is going to win in this era.

@nncyel Collins is not a good manager, and was a bad hire.  Forget the end of the season, fire him now.

Gland1
Gland1

Or he can get fired. Lots of people in Houston thought Bo Porter was doing a good job considering the circumstances. He didn't listenoto the GM and he's out.

In reality if they add players next year and Harvey comes back strong they should improve, so the manager will get some credit there. I'm just saying that people who think Wally will come do things "his way" and not listen to his boss are not being realistic.

matmil
matmil

People seem to forget one of the most famous and pivotal moves made in Mets history. The day Hodges walked out to left field and removed Cleon from the game. Escorting him into the dugout. That is what good Managers do. And it makes a big difference.

saxon
saxon

@nncyel 

Most of the young players can be found on video or quoted saying that Wally was a great help and manager...


Gland1
Gland1

Thsts really naive to think that Wally wouldn't listen to his own boss if he was the manager.

Adam Porte
Adam Porte

@saxon @Adam Porte Those are fair comments, particularly with regards to the Chris Young and Granderson issues. You look at players like den Dekker and Kirk and wonder how they might have developed if they were given the chance in June/July rather than sticking Young out there time and time again. 


There has been a bit of a trend of benching players in the midst of a hot streak too. So I guess I'm not absolving Terry of blame entirely, but I am saying that the general issues aren't managerial. 


Although I'll be honest, you have me reconsidering my view on this one!

nncyel
nncyel

@matmil @Adam Porte Mets fan since 1968 and I don't think the manager makes much of a difference. You say timely hitting, good defense and superior pitching bring winning. Ok. Let's accept that. How does the manager induce his players to hit timely, play good defense and pitch well? So Wally Backman would have Daniel Murphy playing good defense, David Wright driving in more runs, and, let me guess, he would've just placed his hand on Matt Harvey's elbow last year and Matt would've been cured and gone on to win the 2014 Cy Young award?

theglider
theglider

Didn't Davey Johnson pull Strasberg from the Nationals rotation and it cost them a shot at the World Series?

He was winner but did it anyway. Was that meddling or his choice?

nncyel
nncyel

@saxon @nncyel It's the age of Google. You don't get away with statements like that without some proof. I went to Google. A "Wally Backman video" search primarily comes up with Wally Backman saying *uck 35 times in a post-game rant. Got anything better than that?

saxon
saxon

@Adam Porte @saxon 

Why would Collins bench Flores when he was 6 for 13?? You can only give me one answer I will accept...and that is he is hurt...otherwise, he HAS TO BE IN LINEUP...Our best contact hitter...

matmil
matmil

First you make people accountable. When they make errors repeatedly, many times the same mistakes, aka running the bases the wrong way or not hitting the cutoff man, or not knowing how many outs there are you bench them. Asking players to play with their head in the game, not on the size of the steak they are going to eat post game. Occasionally show some anger. It amazes me how people have become so afraid of someone who knows how to use anger to motivate people. It works, especially with young players. Play the people who give you the best chance to win, not play them because they make a certain amount of money. And strategy, playing the game for a run at a time in close games instead of waiting for the bomb.

Gland1
Gland1

That was an organizational decision to shut him down. The manager doesn't make a call like that.

matmil
matmil

Something like that. Where your dealing with long term implications has to be dealt with too and a good manager does what's best for the organization.

gangsta
gangsta

You keep Terry nncyel, how's that working out for ya ?

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

The fact is we don't know what goes on behind the scenes with player/management relations 100%.My only issue is,why was OK to totally overlook TC's past DWI,yet Wally gets (to this point at least )condemned for his past the rest of his life?A man deserves a second chance at life,no?

Honestly,if Wally were to be given the job as NYM manager,I think he would act accordingly. He's a grown man,and it SEEMS his past troubles are a thing of exactly that,the past.That's the only issue I have,I believe in giving a person a ssecond chance in life,none of us are perfect,but I just "gotta believe" that Wally,if given the chance would do a fine job without all his past issues being a problem whatsoever

Let's just hope that some kind of change is made,yes I do hope its Wally,but if not,we still need to get some new blood in here.We are headed for an fourth consecutive 70+win season under this management. This is one of those times IMO that you do have to make a change for the sake of making a change.

saxon
saxon

@nncyel @saxon 

yes, Tobi Hydes interview with each player from the beginning of the year... Matt Cerones interviews with each player for the year...If you had viewed these during this season both have pretty much interviewed and asked "how was it playing for Wally" and you will find what I had stated...

It's all about being updated in your following of the Mets which includes following their minor league site... Very simple...

nncyel
nncyel

@matmil Sorry, anger doesn't work. It doesn't motivate. Doesn't work with my dogs and it doesn't work with people. Try again.


And if every team benched every player for repeated mistakes you'd be watching the Little League WS instead of MLB because there wouldn't be any players left to play. You expect perfection. Baseball is a human endeavor. Perfection doesn't exist.

nncyel
nncyel

@saxon @nncyel Ok. But to be fair, are there any interviews of players asking how they liked Terry Collins?

saxon
saxon

@nncyel @saxon 

I haven't seen same type of questions asked...so not that I know of... They're different interviews...

nncyel
nncyel

@saxon @nncyel Right. And you can't just draw conclusions when you find evidence that fits your preconceived notion of reality and stop right there. Declare the case closed and not dig any further. To really know if those videos mean anything you have to see what players think of the alternative. If the alternative interview doesn't exist then the interviews don't allow one to draw a conclusion. 


And I suspect that Backman isn't being hired not because he's not a good manager and not because players wouldn't benefit from his knowledge and skill but because of the very thing that's embodied in the video of him swearing 35 times in a postgame interview. Sorry you can't do things like that in this day and age. It got John Torterella fired by the Rangers and Canucks and it's why Backman isn't being hired by any ML team.