Mets unlikely to make a deal, which is very disappointing

3:20 pm: Mets officials said earlier today that there was just a 25% chance of them making a trade this afternoon; now it’s even less, according to the New York Post’s Joel Sherman (MLB Network, July 31).

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

12:11 pm: It sounds to me like the Mets will end up doing nothing before today’s 4 p.m. ET non-waiver trade deadline. The lack of action is less about Sandy Alderson sitting on his hands and more about teams not coming up to his asking price…


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Based on what I’ve heard from other organizations, the Mets let teams know weeks ago that it will take a lot to acquire Bartolo Colon and/or Daniel Murphy, and they will only move Noah Syndergaard, Jacob deGrom, Zack Wheeler, etc., in a deal for a young hitter, under contract beyond next season.

That said, I see no evidence of an impact, middle-of-the-order hitter being available in this trade market. And I don’t think Sandy Alderson is being very proactive or willing to overpay to change that. Instead, he and his staff will likely lay groundwork in hopes of finding a more fair deal for this type of hitter this winter. So, based on how they’ve handled trades and deadlines in the past, I bet Alderson and his staff are spending today fielding calls and circling back with teams they’ve talked with before (such as the Tigers, Giants, Blue Jays, Brewers, Royals, Nationals and others), while checking to see if anyone is desperate to sell or willing to overpay (specifically for Colon), and, if not,- the deadline will come and go with not much happening in Queens.

This is disappointing…



The Mets are 15-10 in July. I like how the lineup is locked in at the top. I’d like to see one other regular hitter after Lucas Duda. He doesn’t have to be a star. But, as long as he’s an every-day player, who has a track record and can hit behind Duda — say Alex Rios or Asdrubal Cabrera or Josh Willingham – someone that can help to lengthen the lineup, just one more guy, I think it can make a significant-enough difference on this season.


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I think they can get by as is and still make a run at .500. They don’t have to add a hitter. However, acquiring even an average player, who could hit sixth, would send a good message to players and fans that the front office isn’t just floating, always building, and only looking beyond today to tomorrow.

It’s one thing to talk about 90 wins in a private meeting, or tell us you’re turning a corner; it’s another to actually show that you believe in what you’re saying. I think we’d all benefit from a shot of confidence, even if a small shot, that would say, “We believe right now, let’s do it.”




885 comments
Rob Martin
Rob Martin

Very disappointing? Do you know who was on trade block? Im sure you do. Its good we keep our young pitcher's

Daniel Poinsett
Daniel Poinsett

I love alderson. Most sane fans know you build with young cheap pitching.  Not trades and free agent signings. When this team has the pitching to get us 10 great years of playoff type baseball i want you all to look at the Yankees crappy teams they will have because of no system, high priced players and don't care about winning only money. We are 1 year away from a mets town takeover. Get ready for it. You can thank sandy then

Andrew Boone
Andrew Boone

No it is not it is smart. Colon or noone

Tulowitzki isn't getting younger and I rather trade for something else.

Christian Pezzuti
Christian Pezzuti

As silly as it sounds, I'd have looked into trading for Price. The Tigers didn't give up too much to get him and the two headed monster with him and Harvey at the top of the rotation would have been epic.

archer41
archer41

You weren't shocked, were you?  I wasn't.

Patrick LeGrady
Patrick LeGrady

Honestly people what deal would they have made ??? Over and over the Rockies GM said he's not interested in trading Tulo or CarGo right now, Starlin Castro was never available for trades I don't know where people were grabbing that one from. So those bats are out. We don't need pitching so 85% of the deals made today we never would've been in on those trades to begin with. I doubt anyone really wanted Parra or Prado from the Diamondbacks so idk what you people want outside of unrealistic goals of Tulo CarGo Stanton Castro. Those trades are not gonna happen. Granted I think we can pull a waiver trade for Bartolo later on in August, but im not expecting much back in that deal.

Digital Outlaw
Digital Outlaw

I like the Red Sox deal the best.  It says a lot about their strategy.  Instead of trading Lester for prospects (who don't always pan out) They got a bona-fide big leaguer with prospect-like upside that they can plug into their line-up this year and next. I wouldn't have moved Syndergaard for him… but I would've tried to get him. 

sixrun
sixrun

Sandy's not dealing in the off season either.......

METS will look the same only with the NEW young pictures......

TULO was a dream of Met fans..................

sixrun
sixrun

WHERE'S TULO........   ???????

lindro88
lindro88

The big Losers are the 12,000 rays fans. They just watched a top 5 pitcher leave for Smyly and Franklin. Maybe it's time for Tampa to move somewhere else. Imagine having a team like that the last 5 years and not supporting them at all.

lindro88
lindro88

I like Martin Prado as much as anyone, but he's got 20M dollars coming to him. The Yankees can trade a nothing prospect, because they'll just pay the man his money. The Mets would either have to give up a real prospect or pay that $, and we know we weren't doing that.

Digital Outlaw
Digital Outlaw

The Matt Harvey X-Factor is probably the biggest reason why we didn't make a move.  I hate to break this to everyone, but TJ recovery isn't a slam dunk.  Harvey hasn't even thrown off a mound yet.  We don't know what we have yet.  It might disturb many of you to know that there are very few guys who have had TJ surgery and returned to form or were better.  It's a small list folks… like 12 pitchers (including Tommy John himself).  So that's reality.

Thomas Jenkins
Thomas Jenkins

Good thing SA didn't trade syndergaard for kazmir.

Shane M Murphy
Shane M Murphy

Not disappointed at all. The Mets would be insane to trade Wheeler DeGrom or Meijia. Keep these kids!

William Martin
William Martin

Cabrera is a FA this year. We're not going to the playoffs and anything given up would be a waste. Nice players, but I'd not put either Rios or Willingham in the "impact" category. This puts more pressure on the off-season but I think that would be there regardless of any moves today. Something about 6 futile seasons that tends to piss off the base.

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

Mets made no deal to struggle to get over .500, good. There was no strong impact player that would have put the Mets not over .500 but in the playoffs. Overpaying would do nothing for the Mets on borderline vet talent. I believe a better chance of getting the talent they need is in the off-season. Better to hold on to your chips till then.

They do have some pitchers reaching innings limits. Others getting a little tired from use. I see that situation getting worse over time. So although their bats maybe livening up some, I have concerns over their pitching.


Now we can concentrate on developing the young kids for the long term. Looking forward to the rest of the season and the young players.

mystere24
mystere24

Alderson screwed up early on with the Pagan trade, let an NL batting champion in Reyes leave for nothing and wasted about $15-$20 million on several bad relievers and Chris Young. Pretty much everything else has improved the team, made us younger, made us better, or done no harm I viewed this trade deadline like I viewed 83 when they acquired Keith Hernandez. It was an opportunity to set the stage for future moves and make a statement about the direction of the team. The way they've played in July guys like Wright and Murphy deserved that vote of confidence that ownership is behind them. The best you can say now is ownership is neutral and not looking to jettison veterans to save existing payroll. This is very disappointing.

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@Robert Marcoux I think people are really over-estimating the value of Cespedes.  Outside of his rookie year, he hasn't been impressive with the bat.  He's essentially a one dimensional hitter at this point.  Outside of his raw power, there's not much else that he brings to the plate.  Real winner today is hands down Detroit who got a top 5 pitcher for practically nothing.

sixrun
sixrun

TULO will be a Yank Next Year....

and I am a MET FAN..... From 62.

sixrun
sixrun

Tulo will never be available to the Mets..

Sandy is a NO chance Top Man.......

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@lindro88 At least they can take solace in the fact they're not Mets fans.  They got that going for them at least.

Daniel Poinsett
Daniel Poinsett

@wackymets3 when the mets win because of his style of stocking young pitching and being patient, i want you to eat crow. 

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

The rash of TJS in MLB itself could make the Mets keep all their young pitching, who would be surprised if within the next year Wheeler or Syndergaard goes under the knife, it's gotten to the point if you thrown 95mph you will have TJS at least once.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Robert Marcoux  Which I think is another reason why they were looking for team to overpay for Colon.  Regardless of results, Colon is almost a guarantee to throw 200 innings. Which was the original reason the Mets brought him in, simply to eat (no pun) the 200 innings Harvey would've pitched this year.


$11 million for a guy that'll toss 200 innings at a winning clip of .500 isn't all that terrible compared to some other pitching contracts out there.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@Mike Herrington I'll repeat what I've said before.  If anyone would have told Nolan Ryan he had an annual innings limit, Nolan would have hit him over the head with an Anvin, Texas shovel.

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

@mystere24 i was actually ok with Reyes leaving. The last years of that contract are going to be dreadful. When a player ages, usually speed if the first thing to go, and Reyes isn't much without his speed.

Digital Outlaw
Digital Outlaw

@sixrun You gotta hand it to the Yankee PR machine.  The game is nothing like it was back in the days of the babe, dimaggio and mantle… even the fans have changed.  They're all gone now, but the allure of playing in pinstripes is kept alive by this ridiculous Al Davis like "just win baby" mystique.  They are riding on the coat-tails of legends.  The front office must be panicking right now because they will be a face-less organization after Jeter retires.  There's always old-timers day I guess.

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@sixrun That is where he wants to play too. And I have been a Mets fan that long too, big deal.

Digital Outlaw
Digital Outlaw

@Michael Frias @Robert Marcoux Trust me… they want to move him.  They'd like to move CY too… but that ain't gonna happen.  We all know Colon has tremendous value for a team making a playoff push.  But Lester and Price were the trophies.  Price didn't go off the board til the very end.  It's not ideal but, it's easier to move a guy like Colon after the deadline.  Have faith.  We got Vic Black and Dilson Herrera (who is now a Mets top 10 prospect) for Byrd and Buck.  

Thomas Jenkins
Thomas Jenkins

Didn't want to see another victor zambrano nightmare.

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@Doubleday @Mike Herrington Like I said many times before, today's pitchers are much different than pitchers of old. That is, they are starting much younger pitching junk putting strain on the arm.

Digital Outlaw
Digital Outlaw

@Doubleday @Mike Herrington Genetics plays a huge part though.  No amount of conditioning can make up for genetics.  Nolan Ryan is a genetic freak.  He is the exception, not the rule.  I'll give you an example.  In 1974 Ryan was 22-16 he threw 332 innings and had 26 complete games…. As incredible as that is, he also walked 202 batters while striking out 367 (both were league leading numbers).  I wonder how many pitches he threw that year?  It's not human, it's freakishly alien. 

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@Eric Koeller @mystere24 I think most Mets fans understood not re-signing Reyes, for pretty much the reasons you outline.  What really angered many, myself included, was letting him go and getting absolutely NOTHING in return.  


All that season, the Mets danced around it, suggesting that they were serious about signing him to an extension, but in the offseason their true intent was revealed when they made no effort whatsoever to bring Jose back.  That's fine if they made a baseball decision to refrain from giving him a big contract, but if they made that decision, why not trade Reyes during the season to improve the farm team?  He was contending for the batting title and his value was at its all-time peak.  Letting him go wasn't the problem; letting him go for absolutely nothing was a huge blunder.

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@Doubleday @Mike Herrington Not only that, innings limits simply don't work.  Just look at Harvey and Fernandez, 170 innings limit and both needed TJ the following season.  Heck, Wacha only threw like 150 last year and he's got shoulder problems.

Digital Outlaw
Digital Outlaw

@Joseph Baffi @Robert Marcoux @sixrun Actually it was 5 years ago… They had an exceptional team in the late nineties.  They won 4 championships in 5 years.  It helped them recover from the 80's which were a disaster.   They always default to spending large sums of money or trading away too much to much to win now (sabathia, winfield, A-Rod, texiera). They've only managed 1 championship in the last 13 (soon to be 14) years.  Pretty pedestrian considering all the money they've spent over that period.   It borders on managerial incompetence when you stop to consider that they had the best SS in the game and the certainly the greatest closer ever during that span.

dooley
dooley

Wow Prado got traded. Must have changed their mind