Mets tinker with second half rotation

Jacob deGrom has 180 innings this year without restrictions.  deGrom has pitched 105 innings already this season going into Sunday's start.

Jacob deGrom has 180 innings this year without restrictions. deGrom has pitched 105 innings already this season going into Sunday’s start.

The Mets will start Batolo Colon on Friday in the second half opener against the Padres.   After that, manager Terry Collins is still working on it.

Dillion Gee and Zack Wheeler are next in line with Jonathan Niese to follow in Seattle (ESPN, July 12th). After that, it gets tricky. The plan was to have Daisuke Matsuzaka move back to the bullpen and Jacob deGrom to start.


Collins threw a curveball with that conventional wisdom on Saturday suggesting that deGrom could go to the bullpen because of innings restrictions and Matsuzaka stay in the rotation (ESPN, July 12th).  

“I don’t know, but it’s been talked about before that with all of those young guys we’re going to take a break this summer — (Noah) Synderaard and (Rafael) Montero and deGrom — and back off their innings a little bit,” Collins said. “That’ll be discussed (Sunday).”

GM Sandy Alderson has said in the past that deGrom should be at about 180 innings this year without restrictions. deGrom has 105 this season between the majors and minors and could have about 14 starts, including Sunday’s, before the end of the season.


 




50 comments
Steve C Schumacher
Steve C Schumacher

Keep DeGrom as a starter and move Dice-K back to the long man in the bullpen where he did well.Why screw with the young kid when he's pitching great!

kingman76
kingman76

Welcome to Baseball in the 21st century - the more they baby them, the more they get hurt.

bigdirty
bigdirty

they still have dice k, montero, noah to fill out the rotation if degrom needs to be slowed down. i am not a fan of slowing  pitchers downs because its not gauranteed to work. Noah has missed quite a few starts so maybe he comes up and takes the spot till the end of the year. 


Brett MacLeod
Brett MacLeod

i guess i understand if they want to shut degrom down early, maybe beginning September, but moving him to the pen for a few weeks just seems like the kind of inconsistency that a young player doesn't need. use dice-k for that sort of nonsense. 

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

deGrom is meant to be a starter. Putting him in the pen may not be a good move since you need a different mental makeup to fill that role.If the Mets are going to limit his pitches then stop him for the rest of the season when he reaches the limit.

Doubleday
Doubleday

So if they shut down all the young arms and deal Colon and Matsuzaka, who pitches in August and September, Anthony Recker?

Zaryna Capuz
Zaryna Capuz

DeGrom better stay in unless theyre gonna limit his innings then fine but if hes not past his innings limit then he better stay in the rotatoon

Doubleday
Doubleday

First they baby them and make them all only pitch 6 innings a game.  Then, they shut them down 2/3 of the way through the season?!?  You're hired to pitch - pitch.  If anyone told Nolan Ryan they were limiting his innings he would have hit them with a shovel.

Doubleday
Doubleday

The smell of the playoffs has cured many a tired arm.  If this team keeps winning, I highly doubt that anyone will be "shut down"

darkknight
darkknight

Degrom will stay in the rotation. Dice K should be traded along with colon. He has actual value right now. He is too good to be a long relief in our bullpen. If we could count on him to be the same player next year id say keep him, but we cant count on that. Sell high

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

Good, Collins should do this more often, instead of yelling out all of his coming moves. Keep the opponent guessing as long as possible. 

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

You can't be afraid to let Stoop Kid leave his stoop

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

If the Mets are in contention for a playoff spot in September and deGrom has to pitch 190 innings then he's gotta do it...can't be scared to push these kids...you can do everything right and they will still get hurt....look at Harvey....can't manage the game scared....if you have to use a 6 man rotation for a week or 2 I'm fine with that

Paul Wesolowski
Paul Wesolowski

Why mess with the rotation, when your team is hot? Bring up your young guys and test them at some point, but if your hot, why ruin it? And GET A BIG BAT INSERTED INTO THE LINE UP. Please????

Matt Cooper
Matt Cooper

I dont like restrictions. You can get TJ surgery from throwing 300 innings just like you can for 10 innings. Let the pitchers pitch. They did it back in the day, why did they change it now? They dont get paid much so money isnt the issue here.

theglider
theglider

Relax. No one knows what will happen but everyone on here is reacting.

If Colon gets traded then the rotation changes. If a pitcher gets hurt (what chance is there of that?) then the rotation changes.

Let's see what happens first. There is still a long way to go.

A Pocono View_
A Pocono View_

W/ an outside chance of wc spot,Degrom gives them a far better chance of getting there, than dice k..

1harris1
1harris1

What get me about all of this is when Terry uses an arm weary Familia twice this week in games when the Mets were 6 runs or more ahead.  Where was the concern about usage and inning restrictions with a young pitcher when it comes to him?

Tormented Mets Fan
Tormented Mets Fan

deGrom has been a great pitcher, and Dice K is far better in the bullpen.

So why don't we switch them later in the year?

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

Let him go the 180 innings as a starting pitcher, then shut him down. There will be plenty of other guys to plug in at the end of the year. Wheeler will have a similar limit, probably 190 IP. He's already at 110  or so. That would be a great time to plug in Hefner and Montero. Until then, let them pitch nearly the full season as starters.

mets2death
mets2death

This is all speculation given that Colon is or is not traded...


...NO WAY deGrom goes to the pen.

hubie_wc
hubie_wc

Have DeGrom start in Seattle.  He'll get over a week's rest.  They can try to skip a start in August too and he should be able to pitch until at least September.  Hefner may be ready by then to fill or perhaps Montero or Thor.

Matt Drucker
Matt Drucker

I rather DeGrom make 14 more starts as a starter even if that means he will be shut down. Coming out if the bullpen does nothing for his progress. He is a starting pitcher. He proved that.

SomeHighSchoolKid
SomeHighSchoolKid

Innings pitched means nothing. You know wat really matters? Pitches thrown. Either way, the Mets are waving the white flag if they put degrom in the pen. Sadly, this dysfuntional organization wants to wave the white flag just when the team's showing signs of life.

hobiel
hobiel

Sounds like there will be some negotiations going on in Seattle wrt Colon.

crimsondad
crimsondad

Terry is an idiot if he pushes this to the front office.

Bill Pavlou
Bill Pavlou

I hate by the book innings limits. Let degrom just pitch. When you are 20 games out in September and want to shut him down, go ahead. He has been the brightest surprise for the team this year. Why change his role?

whizz17
whizz17

If this team is serious at all about making a run to the playoffs then Degrom has to be in the rotation. He has not only earned it but he probably has been this teams best starter all year!!!

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

Stop the nonsense.  DeGrom gives you your best chance to win.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@MetsFan1962 Some can do both at the same time - like Don Newcombe.  Others falter.

rico
rico

@A Pocono View_ unless he gets the "tired arm" so many pitchers, not just rookie, never pitched this much" guys get every year.  It would be interesting to bring up Thor for a couple of starts and see how he fares. Some guys get bored in AAA and actually do better in the majors, he might be one of them. It would be interesting to see. That would also give dGrom a break. 


That or maybe go to a 6 man rotation for a few weeks.  Keep guys fresh for the home stretch.  Remember all those pitchers breaking down in 2006 in the race for the playoffs?  We don't want that again

ken1010
ken1010

@1harris1

Familia is 7th in the NL in appearances and Torres is 12th.   And when Torres come in, he pitches a lot. Torres has 59 innings pitched, which appears to be 10 more than anyone else in the NL who hasn't started.  Also, of the to 20 in appearances, Torres and Famila are two of only  three who have averaged over an inning per appearance.

Terry has to lay off them when others can be safely used. I'd hate to be without them late in the year.

whizz17
whizz17

Why would you shut him down? That does not guarantee he will be healthy longer. Looked what happened to Strahsburg when the Nationals used that thought process. You have to take the opportunity when you have it, why wait until next year? Makes no sense.

rico
rico

@Dana Smith Hefner will not be back to the majors until september at the earliest, probably next year. Plus he wasn't that good.

ericloz
ericloz

@Dana Smith  Great idea; but wouldn't Hefner and Montero also be @ their limits as well?

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

Agree and at that point Dice-k can come back out of the pen....do we still have Lannon?...we have a bunch of options

hankypanky
hankypanky

Actually, when you think about it, the whiners waved the white flag long before the team did.

1harris1
1harris1

God almighty with this organization. Why does everything have to be so damn complicated? deGrom in the rotation; Dice K to the bullpen. End of story.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

@Doubleday . . .I don't want to see a good pitcher's focus and game preparation played with.

kingman76
kingman76

@ken1010 and what gets overlooked is Collins ignored Familia for the most part in April and only started using him heavily once Valverde, Farnsworth, and Germen were all off the roster on that same day.  So a majority of those appearances are from May on.

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

Probably or close to it....well montero might have a few innings left....his season will be done in august so he could be a September call up and go to the bullpen which deGrom would have 1 or 2 starts left...after which montero could come out of the bullpen and into the rotation to give them another 2 starts....with maybe another start or 2 left that can be filled by Lannon I guess...idk

mets74
mets74

@William Bonilla Yep, Lannan is still around.

zoddie
zoddie

It isn't complicated. Most organizations have inning restrictions on rookie pitchers. They like to gradually increase innings to try to prevent injury.

Does it work? Who knows. But it isn't complicated.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@mets74 Lannan gave up like 4000 runs in his first outing in the minors, after taking a few weeks off for a "family matter"

1harris1
1harris1

@zoddie  He's 26 years old, and is three years removed from Tommy John surgery.  If you eventually want to skip him a start or two, I guess that's fine.  But that should be it.  For now, you keep the rotation as is.