The Mets did not make a trade before Thursday’s non-waiver deadline

The Mets did not make a trade before Thursday’s non-waiver trade deadline, though GM Sandy Alderson said there was some activity, and talks about ‘”significant players,” but “nothing came to fruition.”

“There were some proposals we made that were not accepted, and some were made to us that we felt were not reasonable,” Alderson said. “We were active in conversations, we just didn’t make any deals.”


Sandy


The team can still make trades into August, but players will be subject to waivers.

The Mets reportedly fielded interest in both Bartolo Colon and Daniel Murphy, while checking in on other team’s players and scouting the Cubs. In regards to Mets prospects RHP Noah Syndergaard and C Kevin Plawecki, Alderson said he wasn’t ready to “move any of them at the moment.”



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598 comments
Jesse Laymon
Jesse Laymon

Unsolicited opinion:

This week, the Mets should place a waiver claim on Cole Hamels (assuming the Phillies post him, which they will, just to see...), and follow it up with a real offer of good (but not elite) young players for Hamels.


Something like:
Jacob deGrom, Blake Taylor, Jhoan Urena and Matt denDekker for Cole Hamels (and his $90mil committment through '18).


That would put Phillies GM Ruben Amaro at a real tough decision point: he couldn't trade Hamels to anyone but the Mets because of the claim, and the Mets would be offering to eat the salary and give back some major-league ready ok players (young pitcher under control!) and a couple flyers on maybe-future-stars. A hard deal to say no to, unless Amaro is still delusional enough to think the Phillies will compete in the next year or two. 


As for the Mets, they'd be giving up a 4-A outfielder, a ML 5th starter (who's had a nice two months - sell high!), and two low-minors prospects who might work out, or might never make it. And they'd be getting a legit lefthanded ace to slot in alongside Wheeler, Harvey, Niese and soon Syndergaard in what may be the best NL rotation from 2015-2018.


Sandy would have to sell the Wipons on spending some $$, but it's not an overpay - Hamels will surely be cheap compared to the deals Lester, Scherzer, Price, etc will be getting soon. 


Oh, and replacing deGrom with Hamels for the rest of 2014 is a bonus - the Mets are only 5.5 games out of the Wildcard, and have a better run differential than most of the teams ahead of them.  The 10% chance of winning the WC would be a lot nicer with someone like Hamels lined up to pitch that 1 game playoff.

duras23
duras23

"Do you think the Mets made the right moves by holding on to their prospects at the deadline?"

Yes. If the newspapers were right, what was available was not worth trying to improve the 1/2 a season we have left. But if players like G Stanton were available, then the Mets should've went all in. Injuries like Tulo and CarGo were not worth prospects.

The Mets not making a move is their way of looking towards 2015. The Yankees picking up marginal players like Drew and Pradi is their way of looking towards 2015. Yanks know they're done just didn't want it to be obvious.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

I suppose it could be worse; the Rockies--the worst team in the NL this year--have an owner who actively belittles and alienates fans, a farm system that has only 2 highly-touted prospects who could be ready for the majors anytime soon,  and an angry star player, and they also made no moves at the trade deadline.  If you feel bad about being a Mets fan today, just think for a moment how much worse it would feel to be a Rockies fan.

Daniel Poinsett
Daniel Poinsett

I love alderson. Most sane fans know you build with young cheap pitching.  Not trades and free agent signings. When this team has the pitching to get us 10 great years of playoff type baseball i want you all to look at the Yankees crappy teams they will have because of no system, high priced players and don't care about winning only money. We are 1 year away from a mets town takeover. Get ready for it. You can thank sandy then

herblehman
herblehman

Of course they did nothing. Not to be mean, but anyone who actually was strung along by weeks' worth of "Will the Mets get Tulo? Will the Mets get Kemp? Will the Mets get Babe Ruth?" blog posts clearly has not followed this team the past several years.

It's better that the Mets do nothing than make a bad trade, yes. Some real doozies were made yesterday. I'm glad we weren't on the wrong end of the heist Boston pulled off getting rid of John Lackey. Still, it would have been really nice to have Cespedes in left field somehow, instead of the twelve-headed monster of Kirk, Abreu, Andrew Brown, Eric Young, Chris Young, Neil Young, Cy Young...

Rob Steven
Rob Steven

Same old story for us Met fans: Nothing Good.

In this case nothing at all.

I guess the only saving grace is we didn't have another Kazmir type disaster.

This team is BORING!

Ramon Pena
Ramon Pena

don't u think that a package of murphy Montero and cecchine is better than what the Rays got we should have push for him

sixrun
sixrun

WHERES TULO    ?????????

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

For all of you crying about the lack of moves.  Throughout the history of trade deadline moves RARELY do they help a team to the playoffs/WS.  For all the position players traded yesterday NOT ONE was worth giving up ANY of our young arms,  The only guys I would trade the young arms for are TT and Stanton.  Cargos stats away from Coors  are pedestrian.  Want to blame Alderson?  He could have had Stanton two years ago.  Blame him for CY, Nelson Cruz, Farnsworth, Valverde but then you have to praise him for the Dickey, Byrd , Beltran and Ike Davis deals.  THE METS DID THE RIGHT THING YESTERDAY.  FYI I'm no fan of Alderson, the Ivy League Mafia OR THE WILPONS!!

moeb
moeb

cargo is for the taking with the mets

rubiconx0
rubiconx0

So its the same stale mantra "lets stick with our guys" again,  Is this team so stupid to think that they are going to win anything with the etam just the way it is? its always wait until the off season, then the big moves are coming! how can we have any faith when the "big moves" last year were C Young and Granderson? I would have at least like to have seen C Young get the boot and maybe a trade for Allen Craig, he was clearly available, maybe a small move for Chris Denorfia? Nick Franklin who would have been an inexpensive move to finally be rid of Tejada could have been had as well? But as usual Alderson gives us NOTHING but his BS lawyer talk!!  We are only 6 game out of a wild card, it seems like the owners have given up on this team, so maybe we fans should as well?

nym68
nym68

And on the 800th comment....still no one has bothered to answer that stupid question by the ever insightful commentator 

lindro88
lindro88

I think Oakland should have gotten Marlon Byrd to replace Cespedis. Yes, they have a way of getting the Steve Vogt's and Jason Jaso's of the world to hit, but Cespedis was the big bat in that lineup.

nym68
nym68

Awesome to see MLB Network giving some love to Joel Youngblood. I have said for years that the only thing that could've made what he did any better is if Montreal had a home game that night. Then it would've been two games on two different clubs in two different cities as well as two different countries

bbr7
bbr7

free agent shortstop class looks thin besides hanley ramirez. and we know how unlikely it is that we would get him. Don't know if i have confidence alderson can fix the shortstop proplem through a trade. Tulowitzki wants to play for a contender and has a no trade clause. i'd like to know what alderson plans on doing for shortstop next year

mi
mi

5.5 out

Phil Mancini
Phil Mancini

Payroll limitations are always an issue with the resource limited Mets. 

bbr7
bbr7

we need to shed colon's and youngs salary. acquire an impact shortstop through a signing in the offseason or in a trade. also we need a left fielder.  i am not sure how much salary cap space we will have. but it needs to be in the ballbark of 25-30 million. 

Ricky
Ricky

@Jesse Laymon Are you trolling right now? Why would we trade our prospects for more pitching?  We already have a surplus.  Also, Hamels is injury-prone and making too much money.  This makes ZERO sense for the Mets.

Jesse Laymon
Jesse Laymon

@mets2death - not a bad lineup, though I think ignoring Duda's enormous lefty/righty splits is madness. Sit him vs. lefties. Play Campbell at first those days. Even a marginal player like one of the Youngs in LF will be more productive than Duda's .500 OPS vs. lefties (and better defensively than Campbell in the OF). 

Jason Krull
Jason Krull

"1 year away." Where have I heard that before??

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@moeb Cargo is hitting .165 outside of hitting friendly home park of the Rockies. Although hitting .333 at home. I not so sure he is the answer.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@rubiconx0 Neither Allen Craig, nor Chris Denorfia or Nick Franklin are impact players.  Not worth ANY young arms.  Wouldn't trade Colon for them either.

rubiconx0
rubiconx0

@bbr7 what do you think, trot out their boy Tejada again!

nym68
nym68

@bbr7 supposedly Tulo doesn't have a no trade clause. It kicks in if he's traded. However he's tight with the owner Monfort and probably has a lot of say in where he goes due to their relationship

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

@mi i consider 5 games to be realistically in contention, so we're doing good. 

bbr7
bbr7

kind of worried shortstop and left field won't be fully taken care of this offseason

lindro88
lindro88

Maybe you should give up on the season, and just watch minor league games. Tejada has been way better than anyone thought he'd be. Solid D and he gets on base, and I don't care about the 10 intentional walks. If the FO liked Flores as much as you do, or half this blog, he'd be playing everyday. Maybe they realize that defense at SS is more important than a guy who'll possibly hit a little more than Tejada has.

nym68
nym68

@jimm120 Stop with the Abreu was a proven hitter nonsense. He played in the Cuban league not the major leagues. And everyone conveniently forgets that Cruz wanted years and money at the beginning plus it would've cost a draft pick. Sandy misread the market and screwed up royally with the CY signing, but revisionist history is nothing but BS whining

yankeehater
yankeehater

@irish1 DW is making 20 mill a year. I love the guy, but why in the world anyone on this planet would feel sorry for him is beyond my understanding. The fans may deserve better, but how does a guy making 20 mill per for years to come deserve better? Come back to reality.

moeb
moeb

then go cheer for detroit AND oakland

Paul Rubin
Paul Rubin

@irish1 The Mets aren't fully cooked yet. Especially once Harvey went down. I'm not about to blame SA for being realistic. They're building a long term contender. That means you build around good young talented pitching, a key 2-3 vets, and you then try to put together enough offense to support that pitching. You try to do it with decent defense, and a little bit of variety in terms of speed, power, on base ability. If you look at the minor league system now, there's more offensive upside than pitching upside, especially once you get past Syndergaard and Matz. This plan requires a little patience. But assuming there are no 2015 ending injuries to the pitching staff and no setback for Harvey, it is strictly time to star planning how to bring more offense to the team in 2015 without completely blocking all offensive prospects for 2016 and beyond. Attendance is up a bit. If they continue to play decent baseball, attendance will be much higher in August/September 2014 than those same two months in 2013 and it's reasonable to expect them to go back up to $100M with one solid bat. But that's not a bad place to go. We should expect more from Wright, a little more from Granderson, more from D'Arnaud, a little more from Duda and about the same from Murphy. That's not a terrible foundation if we import one solid corner outfielder or a good hitting shortstop. Lagares would probably do better with more protection in the lineup. That's a sufficiently capable offense for a good young pitching staff. May not win but that is the foundation of a nearly 90 win team that contends into September and then you make a prospect for missing piece deal. Let SA continue the plan. That being said, I'd kick Collins out of the dugout faster than you can say Let's Go Mets. He's clueless.

Erik D'Aguanno
Erik D'Aguanno

The Phillies held on to a number of trade chips that they should have dealt.

The Marlins picked up a decent young middle of the rotation starter.

The Nationals traded for an overrated infield rental with mediocre numbers.

The Braves traded for a decent left reliever and a decent utility man.

How is any of that so impressive that it renders the Mets completely irrelevant?

moeb
moeb

need to take a gamble, no gm is gonna give something up without risk, and I feel cargo is worth the risk. when in doubt check the back of the baseball card. Gold glove and career 300 average

Cheryl Ann Boogaard
Cheryl Ann Boogaard

It's actually an odd contract clause that protects Tulo from random craziness. If he is traded, not only does he then get no trade protection but he can void the remaining seasons of the deal. So, if owner trades him to a team like Royals or Mets, he can walk away and the team gets nothing. That is another thing that makes trading him difficult. They will have to work with him to trade him to somewhere he wants to be. Make no mistake, if he were to be traded to Mets, it would a one season gig. He would opt out and Yankees would pay king's ransom to make Tulo's dream come true.

bbr7
bbr7

@jimm120 @Phil Mancini colon needs to go. we need that 11 million in payroll and colon's spot in the rotation can be replaced in a second. 

Billy Suede
Billy Suede

@yankeehater @irish1 for everyone killing tulo for being injury prone and past his prime (funny when he just turned 30) yet conveniently ignore the fact that the mets have their own version of tulo in wright. 

nym68
nym68

@Paul Rubin @irish1 I'm glad you pointed out the possibility of a pitcher going down next season. No one seems to think that we WILL NEED at least seven capable starting pitchers going into the season because no staff ever goes injury free. 

So if we start with Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, Neise, and Gee as givens (barring trade of course), then we actually should keep Colon. That rotation probably still costs less than $20m. Now you add Noah, Montero, and Hefner and we're at eight. That's being safe. You can probably throw in Mazzoni as well who reminds me of Gee for some reason and we're at nine. Now this is where we rely on Sandy to figure out where we subtract. If we get rid of Colon for salary cap relief, then how are we going to trade a top young arm for a bat? I'd much rather use someone who will bring in a , and forgive me for going there after the past few days, Tulo or a Cargo type bat rather then saving $11m, or less if Sandy eats some of the money, and end up with an ok type of hitter in the Josh Willingham range

Someone will be traded for a bat. So we might as well go after the best bat e we can get

Brandon Hillman
Brandon Hillman

Lf is killing us but as it stand 2 to 3 vets was the correct number from last year. Granderson has worked cy didn't. U can live with tejada if LF gave u something. A trade for Tulo say plawecki Niese or gee montero and Flores might be enough. Might have to add smith but with the emergence duda smith can be included. Then u can live with nuewenheis or den decker till nimmo or conforto hopefully will be July of 2015. At this point staying put was right though if any trade included nimmo conforto Thor wheeler and degrom.

lindro88
lindro88

It's not. It's just something to say. "The rest of the division improved". If I'm a Mets player, I'm not walking into the clubhouse shaking my head because the Braves got Emilio Bonafacio.

Paul Rubin
Paul Rubin

@Erik Ronnie Radke D'Aguanno I still think we have the horses to finish 3rd and stay within 5 games of the wild card. That's a huge improvement over 2013 considering we lost our ace.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Cheryl Ann Boogaard Cheryl you are right he does have a very complex contract. But from what I can find on baseballprospectus that opt out clause was in his last contract not the current one he's on now. This new bigger one eliminated that clause. 

But even if you buyout his 2021 year, you're on the hook for 120M for him (assuming we would be on the hook for the 2m traded bonus although I would hope Colorado would at least pick that up) and it could go up to 126M depending on incentives reached. Huge money on a guy in his 30's especially for this broke a$$ franchise

mi
mi

@jimm120 what? we are trending up, we have the best record in baseball over the last month..5.5 games is in it with 55 games left

lindro88
lindro88

Yea, in a second. Are you joking? You see what average veteran pitchers get paid? Colon is earning his 10m, and he'll likely earn it again next year. If they are ever going to contend, dumping 10 million dollars won't be part of the program.

lindro88
lindro88

The only time payroll isn't that important is when you have young cheap stars. We have young cheap potential stars in the rotation.

Erik D'Aguanno
Erik D'Aguanno

I wouldn't dispute that at all, Wright's been quite disappointing this year.

nym68
nym68

@Brandon Hillman Nimmo needs to dominate AA before he's even considered to be in the radar and he's not even close to accomplishing that mission. Confordo has been a pro for a few weeks so let's try giving him at least a full year in the minors before proclaiming him the starting LF. The Cubs are playing it smart with their young kids by giving them at bats and experience before sliding them into the lineup. I say we should emulate their game plan and give these two the time it takes to adjust and mature as professionals. As far as trades go, Confordo can't be traded until next year. He's perfectly safe within the organization