Mets say Collins must be creative with the OF

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

In a game that started with Bobby Abreu, Curtis Granderson and Juan Lagares in the outfield, and with Chris Young, Eric Young Jr., and Kirk Nieuwenhuis on the bench, it was Eric Campbell who ended the game in left field.

In case you lost count, that’s seven outfielders on a roster of 13 position players.

Prior to the game, Terry Collins joked with reporters asking if Pirates manager Clint Hurdle might let him using a roving outfielder, like in softball.

“Terry is going to have to get creative,” assistant GM John Ricco said before the game (NY Times, June 27).

That’s nice. However, the reality is that this is not likely to play out well for any one involved…


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For instance, Chris Young, who has struggled all season, finally hit three home runs in two games. He was on fire, only to ride the bench last night so Abreu could get a start for the first time four days. Collins drools over Eric Young Jr., claiming he’s the spark that fuels the offense even when batting ninth, yet he shifts to a late-game replacement with Lagares back in the mix.

Instead of demoting Nieuwenhuis, Sandy Alderson sent Wilmer Flores to Triple-A, where Collins said he will get equal time at shortstop and second base. This is interesting, because Eric Young Jr. is capable of playing second base, as well. And so, I’m starting to wonder if Alderson is planning to field offers for Daniel Murphy more than he’s indicated on the record to reporters and fans at Citi Field.

Collins is very good at keeping his team focused and pushing hard. However, who plays when and why often appears to be a weakness. This outfield situation can float for a while, but, eventually, Alderson will have to make a move to bring more predictability and balance to the situation – if not for the player’s sake, than for Terry’s sake as the guy with pen, dice and the lineup card.




110 comments
Doubleday
Doubleday

Wow.  They actually look like a major league outfield, in that photo.  ;-)

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

If no one has told you by now, Terry is taking orders from upstairs, the same guy's that bullied Jerry Manuel and Willie Randolph and the guys before them up until Bobby Valentine and dat ended U G L Y !!! Are calling the Shots! Mutt and Jeff! Happy Friday!

robby
robby

Collins is an idiot!  Doesn't he know in baseball consistency is important? His rotation does nothing to help the batters get in a groove.  Play Granderson, Lagares & Neuweinheiss regularly and see what you have.  EY and Abreu and the other guy can platoon from time to time.  But DAMN it be consistent!  We need Wally I've had it with that bum

sayhey24
sayhey24

Lets be honest. A rotating OF is not indicative of strength. In fact, its the opposite. Most of our OFs would not start on many other teams and none of them are so great that they would make the All Star team. The best thing to do is continue to play Grandy every day and otherwise play the hot ones until they go cold. Stop the daily shuffling because it results in mediocre players looking bad too many nights. Either do that or stick with 3 and play the others sparingly.

John Vastola
John Vastola

CY homers were all soft breaking stuff. He's got to prove he can hit the fastball.

stage52
stage52

It makes no sense to send up a kid from Triple A when he is hot and then let him ride the pine for a week because the manager does not have the common sense of a Baboon.  What is it with Collins playing Abreu instead of kids that ARE THE FUTURE of this club.  Collin's is not doing the club any favors by not playing the help that is being sent up until they have blisters on their butts. 

Curtis Batdorf
Curtis Batdorf

1 shortstop and 7 outfielders.  I wonder what this team looks like to other GMs and opposing players?

11gilkey
11gilkey

How about sticking with a lineup for more than a day and giving guys a legitimate chance

BadContract
BadContract

I might dislike TC more than anyone but, barring some preplanned trade, what is laid out as a roster for him to work with is downright criminal.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Let's be honest, the team only had one SS even when Flores was here.  Benching CY after 2 good games (including a homer vs a righty) is just idiotic and stupefying.



nyinchi
nyinchi

This team gets more "creative" every year.


johnsec125
johnsec125

Hey Ricco, three gms and you clowns put together a major league roster with 7 outfielders? And then say it's the manager's problem? What a joke of a franchise.

lindro88
lindro88

Every team in baseball wins 5 of 6 now and again.  This is a bad team.  If CY plays last night and goes 0-4 with 3k's and kills a big rally, the comments would be, "well CY is back"  Definitely not, "well he can't hit a homerun every night"  The real blame belongs to Alderson, not Collins.  Why does he have 6 or 7 outfielders on his roster?  Its ludicrous.

bigdirty
bigdirty

I dont understand why Abreu must play?? he is a 40 year old outfielder. he doesnt fit into teh long term plans and should only be a pinch hitter. For the first time since he has been here chris young is hot..you gotta play him for a little bit right??


With what the team has, the outfield should be young jr., lagaras, grandy. Thats it. i dont know why kirk is even with the big club. The offense works best when ey is getting on base. 


Ey

Lagarass

murphy

wright 

Grandy

duda

travis

tejada


letsjust go with that for a bit. 

archer41
archer41

This has been so poorly handled.  For everyone killing CY all season (myself included), he's finally starting to hit and had to sit because Abreu?  Makes zero sense as usual.  Same ol' Mets.

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

How Can  he be , when 2 of our OF's are 4A.


Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

Boy, that will be interesting. Collins being creative? Does that mean benching Lagares during a 12 game hitting streak or benching Chris Young after hitting 3 hrs. in two games?. Collins has to go!!!

triviaace
triviaace

So it has gotten down to the inmates running the asylum.  What will be next, using the shift on left hitting pitchers and putting 4 outfielders on the right side.  I wonder how long this insanity will go on.



Mikey Jocks
Mikey Jocks

How is it this complicated?

Granderson nd Lagares ALWAYS start!!!! Hav a platoon in left for both Youngs nd occasionally Abreu. Stop being an idiot Collins! Or go away

metfaninva
metfaninva

Murphy will be traded.  Weak defensively--particularly lack of range.  Bat is a single/doubles guy. Good ballplayer and may be able to get things in return.

Flores can not play shortstop.  Period.  Played well at 2B last night for Vegas. No future at SS and will play 2B in AAA,

Reynolds will get a shot at shortstop but maybe not this year.

Dilson Herrera doing well at 2b in AA and will be 2b of future in 2016/17. The Mets are trying to play him some at SS and that is stupid.  Again a Met"s prospect playing out of position.

Why have Abreu on this team??  It hurts our future by not seeing what Kirk and prior denDekker can do??  They have never been in a position to succeed.  They are probable decent platoon bats but bring excellent defense.  We'd be better off with Brown/Kirk platoon in left We can't afford to have a pitch hitting specialist on this kind of team.

mingo
mingo

This is completely overlooking another option.

Matt Reynolds, may be pushing his way onto the big league roster.

Craig Mitchell
Craig Mitchell

EY can't hit lefties...CY can....Platoon them in left.........YOU'RE WELCOME Terry...go back to being clueless...

Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

And to think back to the day SA was hired I was actually happy, now I think i'd rather have 90% of the posters here running the Mets over SA and that's without the resources like scouting that SA has at his disposal 

TheJMan
TheJMan

all to the detriment of the one guy that matters for their future -- Lagares


bad teams keep making bad decisions .... 

sandybgone
sandybgone

Not sure how you can defend the front office to tell the manager to be creative with 6 outfielders and 1 SS.


It does not matter if these moves have an affect later...right now, this is just plain dumb. Terry is not a good manager but he is not being given a full deck of cards to play with. Nor is he being given a fair chance to succeed

sayhey24
sayhey24

I do not fully agree with the article. It makes CY out to be better than he is. Fact is that he is a career .235 hitter with some power. He will have some decent games against lefties, but cannot hit right handers with any consistency. The writer classifies a good game as 1 for 4. What if he had a bloop hit and 3 Ks? Is that a good game? Conversly, if he has an ofer but hit the ball hard each time,is that a bad game? CY is what he is, a 4th OF that should be used largely against lefties. It was an awful signing by SA as he could have gotten similar production much more cheaply (ie Kirk or Brown).

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@bigdirty But EY does NOT get on base.  In fact...he's terrible at it.  Any real lineup shouldn't have that guy getting the most abs on the team.

mingo
mingo

@sandybgone 

TOTALLY DISAGREE...

SA at least didn't tell him to use Colon at short. That would take true creativity.

Brian Mangan
Brian Mangan

@sayhey24 You're crazy if you think that Kirk or Brown can hit as well as Chris Young. 

I'm not saying CY is great - because he's not.  But we know what he's generally capable of, and that's not that bad.

As far as classifying the games good or bad, you're right.  But that doesn't weigh either direction.

PB
PB

@BringBackDaveTelghe @bigdirty that being said...when EY was leading off, he WAS getting on base, and he WAS top 3 in stolen bases in the entire league. He got the momentum going early, and the other bats followed. He needs to be at the top.

sayhey24
sayhey24

I don't believe Kirk or Brown are as good. I am saying that there combined production would be equal to Young at a cheaper cost. I am certain they could hit .210 with 15 hrs and 50 ribs which is what we would get from CY at much greater cost. My biggest issue is the writer touting CY as being a very productive OF.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@PB @BringBackDaveTelghe @bigdirty There's just the issue of fact clouding the issue.  His OBP was a terrible .318 and for his career it's just .324.  For a guy with no power at all he should not be anywhere near an everyday player.  


There's a reason he was on of the worst hitters in the league last year despite playing half his games in an elite hitter's park.

PB
PB

@BringBackDaveTelghe @PB @bigdirty yea...but if you look at his OBP for his 1st ABs earlier in the season when he was leading off everyday, it was substantially higher ...and it got everyone else going...even if he only got on base the first time around...the rest of the team responded well enough to pull off the wins.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@lindro88 @BringBackDaveTelghe @PB @bigdirty Runs scored are nice, obviously, but aren't really indicative of your own ability.  In reality, EYJ was barely getting on base and just so happened to be pushed across because he had Murphy and Wright behind him who were hot at the time.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@PB @BringBackDaveTelghe @bigdirty So...you think an analysis has basis if you take 2 months of data for him....take a meaningless slice of data, in this case the first ab of games....and then pretend that has meaningful results?  There's everything wrong with that analysis.


I was watching those same games....he's get on with a wounded duck to right field, a pitcher walking him on 4 pitches etc.  There was NOTHING in those abs to make me think he's turned the corner.  He's the same guy he's always been, a very nice 4th or 5th of'er that can be used on the bases late in games.

PB
PB

@BringBackDaveTelghe @PB @bigdirty You can go back and check the day-to-day rosters...when he was starting/leading off...we were winning wayyy more games then when he wasn't. And since he got back off the DL...I'm seeing the exact same trend...even if he hasn't led-off in all of those games. Idk what it is, but he gets the bats going.

PB
PB

@BringBackDaveTelghe @PB @bigdirty Anywhere else, I agree, I'm not saying he's the best OFer to ever wear a Mets uniform in the slightest, but with this team he has more value. 2 months of stats isn't a lot like you said..but  that's enough for you to base your judgement on? If that's the case, don't forget to look at the team W's when he's in.

Bottom line: If we were winning games with him leading, losing games when he's not, AND he has the ability to be top 3 in steals and runs...why fix something that isn't broken?

lindro88
lindro88

@PB @BringBackDaveTelghe @bigdirty  He may only get on once a game, but he usually scores, and often it would be early in the game.  Numbers don't tell the whole story.  He also plays a decent left field. 

PB
PB

@lindro88 @PB @BringBackDaveTelghe @bigdirty Agreed...he's been very under-appreciated and often overlooked. It's surprising that fans don't notice how the team plays when he's in there compared to when he's not.

PB
PB

@BringBackDaveTelghe @PB if him being productive is a reason he shouldn't be starting, you must be in the same mindset as management.

Small sample size or not, his stats show he's been good for us and the team produces more when he plays. That can't be argued, and to bench him "on a hunch he'll do worse" is laughable.