CR2-Carlos-Gonzalez

Mets-Rockies had preliminary talks, but that’s all

In early July, the Mets reached reached out to the Rockies about SS Troy Tulowitzki and OF Carlos Gonzalez; the Rockies scouted Sandy Alderson’s top prospects; and the two sides never talked again, sources told reporter Andy Martino (Daily News, Aug. 7).

It was said in late July that the two sides had low-level talks earlier in the month (Cerrone, July 29), but that they did not talk much in the days before this Thursday’s non-waiver trade deadline. Last week, it was reported that Colorado had once sent a sizable contingent to watch Mets pitching prospect Noah Syndergaard (NY Post, July 31).

The Rockies are looking to acquire the best young, power pitching possible and feel they match up best with the Mets and Cardinals (Cerrone, July 29). However, Colorado would prefer to not pay any of either Tulowitzki’s ($129 million) or Gonzalez’s ($53 million) remaining contract in a trade, making Gonzalez the more reasonable target, Heyman said on radio (WFAN, July 29).

Nevertheless, when asked about the team’s interest in Gonzalez, a Mets person told Martino: “That is real.”




84 comments
John Cucci
John Cucci

I think Tulo is the difference maker we're missing. I know he has been injured in the past, but his bat is legit!

steve333
steve333

How about putting back a link to player's stats when we click on their name?

This site has gotten really lazy

stewartwolpin
stewartwolpin

Stop it, stop stop it STOP IT! What is this ridiculous fascination with CarGo? He is a TERRIBLE road performer, a complete Coors creature. First, he only averages just 108 games played a year – he's only out there 2/3ds of the time. Even when he plays, his away games played totals, averaged at 108, works out to around 3.5 seasons in which he averages .258/15/46. Yes, that's a slight improvement over the Mets woeful LF production this year, but it's hardly the impact numbers the Mets would or should trade a top young arm for. Even if you generously use 162 games as a basis for figuring his accumulated away-from-Coors production, his annual away slash line is .258/15/70 – again, better than what we have, but still hardly cleanup bat material – it's not even pre-signing Jason Bay material. And in an admittedly small sample of 11 CitiField games, CarGo carries a .132/1/6 slash line. YUCH! Can we PLEASE stop talking about CarGo in CitiField? He'd be a disaster in the line of Bay or Chris Young.

Jeffrey Romero
Jeffrey Romero

The Mets have been rumored to shop for shortstop Troy Tulowitzki or outfielder Carlos Gonzalez in the offseason in return for a Mets pitching prospect or two. Tulowitzki will be a horrible pick up knowing his issues with injuries but when healthy he's amazing and the same with Cargo. Tulo is heading into his age 30 season and Cargo is heading into his age 29 season. Either one will be a good pick up but injuries that they have a deep history of will be in the way of that. I think the Mets should look towards the future for many years to come with a fresh young shortstop. The shortstop that makes lots of sense is Javier Baez from the Chicago Cubs. First off he's very young/talented shortstop who recently made his MLB debut. I know you think its too early to judge but i bet everyone will think he will be a star in this league. He is a good player that could hit for power. Not as good as Tulo yet of course but for his value the Mets don't have to give up so much prospects in return. Maybe a Noah Synagard, Rafael Montero,Zach Wheeler or even a Jacob Degrom. One prospect/ young player for another. It makes the most sense because the Cubs are heavy with hitting prospects but lack in pitching and the Mets are looking for a good shortstop. Also the Cubs have 3 shortstops in Starlyn Casto,Addison Russell, and Javier Baez. Not to mention they have a promising Kris Bryant at the hot corner. It looks like a crowded infield for years to come. Bottom line is the Mets should consider trading for Baez or at least Addison russell but Baez looks more like a player who would do wonders for the Mets in the future for years to come.

drmetfan
drmetfan

Man! I know we Mets fans are craving for some star power in this team but I don't know if I would go after either of these guys. Trading for Tulo alone will require almost all of our top prospects and the Mets would have to pay the remaining salary which is a lot. Plus Tulo gets hurt too often. CarGo would take some prospects but much less than Tulo and his salary is not bad. But he also gets hurt a lot and he is a lefty. The Mets need a right handed power bat to compliment Duda, Granderson and Murphy if he is still with the team. Having said that, IMO, the Mets should really go after Hanley Ramirez this off season. Offer him a 5 year, 90M and take it from there. I don't foresee any team offering him more than type of deal not even in desperation. Next contact the Marlins and try to get Stanton from them. He is worth our top prospects and would be a great fit in this team. Offer Syndergaard, Gee, Ynoa, Plawecki, Nimmo, Herrera and Cecchini and see where it goes. It looks like a lot but Stanton is a star in his early years and under team control for a few more years. Ramirez and Stanton would make this Mets lineup one of the top line ups in the game to go along with a very young and talented pitching staff.

ac0814
ac0814

Can you imagine how much better the Mets would be if they get both guys? (I know it is not possible, i'm just having fun.)

Granderson LF

d'Arnaud C

Tulo SS

Gonzalez RF

Wright 3B

Duda 1B

Flores 2B

Lagares CF

One can dream....

heffernan
heffernan

Tulo's career road OPS is .818


Duda's 2014 season is at .861

Wright's career OPS is .875


He will bring offense but his salary takes into account the Coors Field effect.

legs3
legs3

Starting lineup today consisted of a .224, 229, 192, 226 & 22h hitter.  OK Jacob go get em tiger.  Make sure you pitch a shutout because this lineup sucks. Thanks Sandy you really made an effort to stay in the hunt.  Maybe next year right?

matmil
matmil

I think basically there are two ways to build an offense. A power hitting team which is what TC And SA tried this year. Or a contact hitting team with good speed. I for one prefer the contact hitters because I think they are more consistent. If you are going to build a one base at a time power hitting lineup you better have 20 homers a season from 5 different positions or you won't have enough and you end up like the Mets did this year.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

I hope Sandy does eventually do something to help this teams offense..but don't have much faith here.

rock44
rock44

What a shame. Good pitching, good defense, and no bats. We are just a couple of bats away from being a playoff team and Sandy & Co just won't do what's necessary. Heartbreaking.

rock44
rock44

No offense = another painful loss. When will it end?

Jim Michaels
Jim Michaels

Syndergaard+Plawecki+Smith+Gnoa+Niese  for Tulo+Fowler



just a thought

rico
rico

What exactly are the rockies FO people supposed to say…Yeah we were THIS close to sending Tulo and Cargo to the METS?

Tulo and Cargo are still playing for the Rockies, they are their stars.  No matter how far the talks went you don't want to go public with the fact that you were "this close" to sending them packing.


doncha think?

rock44
rock44

Great play by Flores. Hope Collins was paying attention.

Frank Accardi
Frank Accardi

Don't want either always injured between wright and tulo and cargo we never have anyone on the field

matt520
matt520

To the fans who want Tulo, I am not one of them, what are you willing to give up?

Is anyone outside of Harvey untouchable?

BronsonSNY
BronsonSNY

Keep it preliminary in the offseason as well.

michael b mchugh
michael b mchugh

By looking to trade for either of the rockies players, you are throwing away everything the front office was hired to create.An inexpensive (for now) very good "home grown" core. if you trade away a bunch of these guys for cargo or tulo then you will be essentially starting over. rockies will ask for the kitchen sink for tulo (injury prone) and cargo isn't worth any big prospects. You'll be right back where the mets were a few years ago after some bad contracts. The owners need to let the front office do what they do. the problems start when junior thinks he's a gm. mets need a solid (either experience or young LF & SS) for some prospects or FA.

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

Alderson probably forgot to call back to confirm the deal lol

matt520
matt520

May be in the minority here but I think Tulo is the absolute wrong move for this franchise.

HIs contract would instantly become prohibitive to the organization making any additional substantive moves, not to mention you'd be committing to paying a middle infielder who is leaving his prime in a couple years an insane amount of money.

Additionally, his home/road splits can not be ignored. The guy is a hall of famer at Coors Field batting well over .400 but on the road this year he is a .250 hitter with very limited power.

True he is a tremendous defensive player but I see the better move as being acquiring Starlin Castro from the Cubs.

Castro is a guy going into his prime with an already impressive track record, would cost less in prospects, has a far more team friendly contract, and his offense will translate very well to Citi Field.

The Cubs are desperate for pitching/catching and with Baez up and Russell on the verge of coming up will also have a logjam in the middle infield. I could see a package of Montero+Plaweki and maybe another lesser prospect being enough to get the job done. Maybe Niese or Gee is in the deal somehow, my point being it should realistically not cost Syndergaard or Wheeler.

If we got Castro we should still have the flexibility to acquire an outfielder of stature, I am thinking one of the Cuban prospects whom recently defected.


At this point I do not see Tulo as the smart move but the 'sexy' move. Its a move that Omar Minaya would make but thankfully one I do not think Sandy will.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Jeffrey Romero I hear ya about Baez. Problem is he's not projected as a SS. That's one of the reasons they got Russell. Baez at 2B, Russell at SS, Bryant at 3B. Exactly why the Cubs will try to move Castro. 

Having said that, I'd try to get Baez regardless only because he has a special bat. Between him and Bryant the Cubs are going to be stacked. 

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@heffernan of 60 GMs and Managers, how many wouldn't rank Tulo as the best hitter in that group do you think?

matmil
matmil

Those stats tell the whole story. They were forced to wait for a homer to win and did't get it.

Frank Accardi
Frank Accardi

Every body repeat after me the mets have no. Money or no money they want to spend. They can't add that much payroll or absorb salary

mesmo
mesmo

@Jim Michaels You don't want to give up that much AND take on that big fat salary, IMHO.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@rico I don't think they were close at all. It would have made no sense for the Rockies to trade them at the deadline and give up any sort of competition or attendance numbers for some young players that wont have direct impact over the next 3 months. Tulo and Cargo will generate the same offers in the off season so that would be the time for them to deal.

jamets
jamets

@matt520  This may sound crazy, but I think Sandy is going to get Tulo this offseason and he's going to do it without giving up Syndergaard or Wheeler. 

Lance Christopher
Lance Christopher

@michael b mchugh I wouldn't touch Cargo with a ten foot pole. Tulo I'm willing to take injury risks with because he's a top 3 player at the most difficult position to find a difference maker at. That said, I agree that it would undo the rebuilding of our minor league system. We would give up prospects and money to get Tulo. Meanwhile, while he's also had his share of injuries, Hanley Ramirez would just cost money and let us keep our pitching to deal for a LF.

Also, anyone care to chime in on whether or not they think David Wright could be moved off 3B to LF or 2B or somewhere and we get a power hitting third baseman? Just a thought. 

jamets
jamets

@matt520  I completely disagree. Tulo is certainly a risk, but eventually the Mets are going to have to take a risk on a big bat.  And I think Tulo is precisely the type of player Sandy will be willing to take a risk on.


As for Castro, I wouldn't give up Montero and Plawecki for him. I don't want him at all, really.   And his style of play is exactly the opposite of what the Mets front office is looking for - poor plate discipline, low OBP.  Throw in bad defense and a reputation for a bad attitude and poor work ethic, and he's just not a guy I can see the Mets making a long term commitment to, especially at the cost of 2 of our top 5 prospects.

Michael Jacoutot
Michael Jacoutot

@matt520 agreed.  however, the only other proven option is Hanley and he is a bad clubhouse guy

slainte2
slainte2

I logged on just to like that comment

Jim Michaels
Jim Michaels

@jamets @Jim Michaels whoops - fowler then

rico
rico

@Zach Goeringer @rico Fact is WE DON'T KNOW.  FO's always play-down the seriousness of talks to protect their relationships with their players.  So this blogpost is silly for starters.


Yeah trades like these usually happen on the off-season.  

matt520
matt520

@jamets I am not averse to taking risks, but smart risks. Tulo is a monumental, set your franchise back years type of risk. He could cripple this organization if he does not perform at what the back of his baseball card shows.


Also, I think Castro's attitude is a non issue; he was criticized when he was young and he has cut his errors this year. He will not win a gold glove but he is a major league shortstop.

Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

He is like watching BJ Upton at ss.Bad attitude.Nice call.We need to get hitters here.Are we watching this crap.David start juicing or something!!!

jamets
jamets

@matt520 @jamets  But the reward with Tulo, if he stays mostly healthy, is just so much greater than it is with Castro.  He can be a franchise changing guy, for better or worse. He could lead this team to a WS within the next couple of years.

At his best, Castro is an average bat with below average D - he's just nothing special.  A little more power than your average SS, but that's about it. 

matt520
matt520

@Brian McCarthy  they said the same thing about Hanley over and over and now he is winning and his attitude is a non issue. IMO the least of our worries

mesmo
mesmo

@jamets @Mike Herrington @matt520 Trading Murphy untill you have a viable replacement would only be creating another hole in the lineup.  This is why Flores needs to get 3-5 ABs every frickin' day until the end of the season.  We don't know yet if Reynolds is a flash in the pan.  I would keep Plawecki until Travis figures out how to hit in some town other than Las Vegas.  

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@Zach Goeringer @Mike Herrington @jamets @matt520 Problem is not prospects, consideration but not the hurdle.


The problem is payroll. Mets payroll is due to go up next season due to salary increases.


To take on Cargo it is doable if you can more Colon's salary. Tulo's salary would take a large increase in payroll or shedding much more other salary.


If the Mets move Colon in August/this winter, a deal will be made to increase payroll this winter. Otherwise I don't think these types of players will be traded for by the Mets. Reason I see Owings at a cheaper salary as a possible trade for SS.



matt520
matt520

@jamets and at this point it is not even a risk with Tulo, its a guarantee. he will get injured and it will become worse with age

matt520
matt520

@jamets You are underselling Castro, he is more than an average bat

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@matt520 @Mike Herrington @Michael Jacoutot Understood. 


Castro's offensive WAR 1.2 

Owing's offensive WAR 2.0


Castro's defensive WAR -0.3

Owing's defensive WAR 0.8


Reason I am no fan of Castro but of Owings. In addition Owings is more controllable with a cheaper salary that could be used for another need (OF). Would cost less in the terms of trade as he is not oversold like Castro is for less value. Owings in just his 2nd ML season is a very smart player. Which means to some scouts, that he will improve even more as he plays at the ML level.



Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@jamets @Mike Herrington @matt520 @Michael Jacoutot They need starting pitching pretty bad. They have 3 SS. If a team like the Mets hold what the Dbacks need, you don't think the Mets could not ask for Owings?


Ahmed has just 57 at bats, not sure he has been given enough at bats to say one way or another.