Montero

Mets prospects Montero & deGrom may try bullpen

Sandy Alderson said it’s possible Mets starting pitching prospects Jacob deGrom and Rafael Montero could soon get work pitching in relief with Triple-A Las Vegas, the GM said Friday (ESPN, May 3).

DeGrom is 4-0 with a 1.89 ERA in six starts. Rafael Montero is 3-1 with a 4.31 ERA in six starts.

Alderson said in March that, with one or two exceptions (specifically Noah Syndergaard), his Triple-A starting pitchers will get time working out of the bullpen in April to see how they may handle a possible role with the big-league team later this season.

This could also help limit their workload, allowing for more innings later in the season, he added.




29 comments
Charlie Rode
Charlie Rode

Jacob Degrom could be a starter or reliever, so it makes sense to get him some work in the bullpen to see if he handles the role well. Montero is a starting pitcher, why the Mets organization feels the need to keep putting it out there that they want to have Montero in the bullpen, when he has put up equal, if not better more dominant numbers than a guy like Zack Wheeler at the same age and same levels is beyond me. It still shows the fan who knows anything about this team that the front office still doesn't know how to properly run a ball club. I am so sick of hearing about how Montero might be used as a bullpen arm.. He should be in the starting rotation right now, Colon, as nice of a pitcher he is, was a stupid move for 2 years. Montero was ready for the big show last year, but because of 40 man roster issues, they didn't do it. He's been up and down so far this season, but he's also pitching in a league where a pop up goes 500 feet. They could've saved the money they used on Colon, gone w/ Gee, Niese, Wheeler, Mejia, Montero w/ Lannan and Dice K as back ups. 

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

That's a big mistake. Unless they are planning on trading them both, they run the risk of messing them up by switching them. If they are true, major league pitchers, I would rather have 180 innings from them over the course of a season instead of 75-85 innings in relief. It is a no-brainer. Then again, if Sandy Alderson did his job by putting together a respectably bullpen, we wouldn't have to discuss this right now.

hurricaneditka
hurricaneditka

I'd be fine bringing them up in the pen later in the season, maybe August when things are winding down.  I'd hate to see them do it now, and then we get an injury to a SP and out best candidate to fill in is in the pen and can't jump in the rotation because he needs to stretch his arm out again

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

I would love to see deGrom groomed as a potential closer. Hell, why not bring him up NOW?  The team isn't going anywhere and he'd gain valuable experience. Honestly, does anyone out there really want to see Farnsworth or (god forbid!) Valverde any more than that have to?

2015===gee-thor Harvey wheelerniese==backups germin   torres matsuzaki===put lagron and Montero in bullpen noenow--mejia trade block--erc young--cathing prospect--puello==for  diamond backs and cubs.

cj1786
cj1786

Sandy Alderson is a smart man, who if anything has a solid grasp if the term 'value'. I have to trust that he realizes that starting pitchers have more value that relievers.

C Nerrie
C Nerrie

Rob Brender interviewed deGrom a couple of months ago.  In college, at first he played shortstop and then would come in and close games.  Halfway through his junior year they moved him to starter.

He said he would be fine with being either a starter or a reliever.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

And let the process of the Mets ruining the only assets they have begin. And all to try to help the big league club that is going nowhere with their offense. The real way the excess SPs can help the major league team is to continue to start and build up value to be used in trade to acquire a bat or be ready to step into the rotation if 1 or more of the big league starters is moved for said bat.

cver
cver

And then, let's consider two things against each other.  They want to limit innings to prevent injury.  But has there been any theories or studies (like with the innings limits thing) done regarding pitchers getting messed up by transitioning back and forth between starting and relieving?  I think it's possible that they are trying to protect these kids by doing something else that could be just as bad or worse for their health - just sayin'.  I'm suspicious of this blanket innings limit criteria.  The epidemic of arm injuries is a mystery to the experts.  They are looking at the fact that some kids are starting as young as they can with their parents pushing them and other factors.  And considering how many of these young pitchers have been babied with the innings limits and still have fell prey to injuries, like Harvey for example, I wonder a lot about the validity of innings limits.  It feels like they have to try something, so this is what they do, which I'm not against.  I just think that taking a potential ace starter and making him a reliever (they really don't view Montero as a potential ace, do they?), it's something Omar and Jerry did.  Mejia could very well be a #2 starter, if he can stay healthy, from what we've seen.

whizz17
whizz17

The Mets tried this with Mejia and screwed him up. Keep them as starters and let them continue to perform at a high level so when you want to trade one of them you can get peak value. Degrom and Montero are good trade chips to get you the bat you need to get, the big club can not score runs and have to almost play perfect to win.

cver
cver

As we've discussed before, this is a horrible idea with Montero.  DeGrom, who is starting to really look good of late, hmm, also wondering about ruining him, too.  If our bullpen is really so desperate and our starting situation is really so crowded, maybe DeGrom could be a reliever, at least for a while.  Ultimately, either someone in the rotation or a starting prospect might get injured, so the starting depth, which in theory is amazing, might get a bit messed up.  And of course, you are messing with these starters, like they did with Mejia.  This could cause injuries.  The Mets aren't experts at this.  Frankly, I'm not 100% sure I see as much of a difference between Thor and Montero as the conventional thinkers do.  Only time will tell.  Is Montero really that much less valuable than say, Zack Wheeler.  Sure, Wheeler is young and still learning and has shown some really great starts.  He's so far a good #3, which is about where he plugs in right now.  He was our #1 prospect a couple of years ago.  I notice that they never considered him, Harvey or now Thor for the bullpen.  What the hell is that about?  I'm not saying they should have, but I don't think a pearl like Montero should not be messed with. 

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

Any chance the Mets could trade for Tulowitski?

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

So far its worked well with the Cardinals, the only difference is, they have a history of winning, and I don't think Management Wants that!

Brandon Hillman
Brandon Hillman

They should be pitching 180 innings this year. I would not put them in the pen for long. They need to be stretched out so next year they can go 200 plus

cj1786
cj1786

If it's to limit innings I'm fine with that. But don't mess with the teams top starting pitching prospects just to fill some short term needs in the bullpen of the big league team that's going no where anyway.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

Too bad they can't teach them how to hit. That's what the team really needs.

Steve Barbato
Steve Barbato

You want to put a crappy OF at leadoff but you want to bench Tejada bc he's killing us? Lol

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

I can't find a translation for that on Google Translator. Could you rewrite that in English, please?

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@C Nerrie The kid wants to pitch in the big leagues I wouldn't expect him to say anything different

qualcomm
qualcomm

@Not4Nutten The Cards used them every few days here and there... not as closers or 8th inning short guys.  You don't want Montero warming up quick or throwing back to back games.

I can see it being a pipe where the best long men in baseball get brought up here for a three month cameo , but it still doesn't fix our back-end bullpen issue.

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

One of them has to be bullpen unless we trade Gee and Neise and mejia

cver
cver

@Christopher Masiello Yeah - after all of this time, and yes this problem even existed prior to him, how can Hutchins keep his job?  Even the pitchers are on the verge of history in the batter's box.  One of the worst hitting teams in baseball over the time he's been Mets hitting coach.  Can it all really be still no talent?  I understand the virtues of being patient and methodical, but Alderson should understand by now (certainly even before) that trying someone different is needed.

C Nerrie
C Nerrie

Yes, you are correct, that's exactly what he said: "everybody wants to pitch in the big leagues."  

But I was trying to report that he's done some relieving, and even more importantly, it genuinely sounded like he does not have resistance to the idea of relieving or feel that it will ruin him.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@Zac Tindall Gee, Neise and Mejia are all fragile... I'd hope we're in that position next year, but it's against the odds that everyone will be healthy and ready to go. If they are... can you imagine the bidding war? 

Nine!!! MLB ready starters on the roster who are all affordable very good 3rd starters (or higher). 

I'd let that play out and then see if a team wants to give us a true 4 hitter.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@Brian Webster Yes he does.  Forget that one playoff game... what role did he play in their pen that year?  Let me expand a bit...

He appeared in 61 games, and came in mostly in the 7th inning.   In only 22 times did he come into a game after the 6th inning with the game on the line.  He was used in blowouts most of the time so he could warm up slow.    

Only EIGHT times was he even brought in mid inning with anyone on base. He was in a position to get a save five time all year