Josh Edgin

Can Josh Edgin help the Mets bullpen?

The Mets will promote Triple-A LHP Josh Edgin in time for Thursday’s game, the team announced.

Edgin will join Jose Valverde, Jenrry Mejia, Jeurys Familia, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Scott Rice and Carlos Torres in the team’s bullpen.

Edgin, who will wear No. 66, was 1-1 with a save and a 3.77 ERA in 28.2 innings and 34 games for the Mets last season.

Toby Hyde, Contributor

In replacing Kyle Farnsworth, the Mets swapped a right-hander for a left-hander and, in doing so, moved to address a major team weakness.

Entering play on Thursday night, left-handed hitters had a .770 OPS against the Mets, which is worst in the league (Baseball Reference, May 15).

Kyle Farnsworth was part of the problem. Overall, he had the lowest strikeout rate among Mets relievers, the second lowest FIP to Jose Valverde’s and he was worst in the bullpen against left-handed hitters. Lefty hitters have always shown more power than righties against Farnsworth, but – in 33 PA in 2014 – they hit .367 against him.

So, can Edgin help the big-league bullpen?


Josh Edgin


Edgin, 27, went from promising, hard-throwing lefty reliever in 2012, to disappointment in 2013, to an after thought in 2014 when he was one of the first players cut from Major League Spring Training.

Edgin MLBHe has not pitched very much in the big leagues (54.1 innings total) and he was below replacement level in 2012 and 2013. However, when he has been in the big leagues, Edgin has struck out left-handed batters, posting a healthy 28% strikeout rate. It’s the righties where things get weird. After fanning 27% of right-handed opponents in 45 plate appearances in 2012, that cratered to 6% in 64 plate appearances in 2013. That’s alarming.

In 2012, Terry Collins also did a better job of protecting Edgin from facing righties than he did in 2013. In 2012, 58% of Edgin’s batters were lefties, in 2013 that slipped to 48%.

On the eve of his return to the big leagues, Triple-A manager Wally Backman said that Edgin was throwing much better.

“Edgin was pitching in the upper 90s yesterday [May 6],” he told me. “He made some adjustments. It was the best I’ve seen him in two years.”

Edgin worked with pitching coordinator Ron Romanick and moved to the first base side of the rubber, which has helped him create a better angle against left-handed hitters. Backman also thought he was standing taller.

“He’s creating some depth with his breaking ball,” Backman said. “It was the first time we’ve seen it since Ron worked with him on it. It was a huge, huge improvement.”

To insure his success, the Mets need to make sure Edgin continues to implement what he and Ron Romanick worked on together at Triple-A. Equally important, the team needs to restrict Edgin to pitching only against left-handed hitters, especially considering his low strikeout rate against right-handed batters. In 2013 and 2014, Scott Rice has faced left-handed batters in 67% of his plate appearances. Edgin was far below that in 2012 and 2013, but needs to be restricted to the same kind of role.




106 comments
queva
queva

Josh Edgin was a bum before--he's still a bum now!

metjetnet
metjetnet

Let's just say, He'd better. Or he's a DFA candidate in the making. He should correctly assume this is his (probably) last audition with NY.

Haig Mathosian
Haig Mathosian

If we had some sluggers on this team, we wouldn't have to worry about the bullpen as much

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Is this a joke?  Did The Onion purchase Metsblog.


Of course not.  He's awful.  


A real organization would have DFA'd him a year ago.  

rico
rico

first time edgin came up his stuff was nasty. then he got soft, then hurt and it's been a see-saw with him since then.  Hoping for the best

hankincolo
hankincolo

I have no idea what FIP means, but my eyes were not fooling me. He was getting whacked, we all knew it, but to see his lousy number against lefties, a .367 ba against the port-side, explains even more why he's gone. Anyway, please enlighten me, FIP means?

Karl Leopold
Karl Leopold

Everyone is looking for relievers all 30 teams.  So who do you want.  Give me the guy that the Mets were supposed to sign? Balfour and Rodney did not want to come here. The only team that’s seems to be doing it right is St. Louis and they bring up the young hard throwers and developed that way - look familiar to what Sandy is maybe trying to do?

A closer might be available - Paplebon - but do you want his $26M due in 15 & 16, plus you would have to make a deal with Philly and you just know that would come back and bite us in the ass

mets2014
mets2014

mejia has not officially been named the closer, but he will serve as the closer tonight

sheaheykid
sheaheykid

He can help if he doesn't suck like he has in the past!

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

So we cut a guy with a 3.18 era in a struggling bullpen rather than pay him 750,000 and replace him with Josh Edgin who couldn't get an out for the last 2 years. Do they really not know why their bullpen has been struggling for the past 5 years or are they just cool with it at this point?

mets2014
mets2014

it looks like edgin and valverde will be have a short window playing for their jobs...germen eligible to return on 5/21 and gee on 5/26

nwmets
nwmets

Bugs Bunny could help this bullpen!

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Can Edgin help the big-league bullpen? . . .I certainly hope so this time around. He wasn't much help last season; But, he gets another chance to prove himself.  Good Luck Josh!

Father Dooley
Father Dooley

Hasn't Edgin been tried time and time again with the same (bad) results?  Can someone please explain to me why he is being called up again, and why we should think this time will be any different?

jenkins
jenkins

Time to make Backman the MGR of the big team. It's a lot of his guys already.


That's always been the plan.


I hope.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@queva Is that really necessary? Why must you denigrate the young man? If you think he's no good, fine, say so. But, really? A bum?

Radickey_ebooks
Radickey_ebooks

@hankincolo  It's a stat set on the same scale as ERA but calculated based on the average number of runs you'd expect a pitcher to give up based on his HR, K, and BB totals, rather than actual runs allowed. Thus, it gives you a quick-and-dirty estimate as to how well a guy is"really" pitching while subtracting out some of the more random elements that go into ERA. Sometimes useful, sometimes misleading.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@Karl Leopold Legacy, Cards have won and keep winning. It's also why Free Agents run to the Yanks, among other teams. They've won a lot. If you get a veteran, looking at the end of his career, the chance to win is a deciding factor.

bbinpcola
bbinpcola

@barbarossa There's this thing called the internet.  All the kids are talking about it.  maybe you can find them there.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

7consecutive scoreless appearance.27 years old maybe he has figured it out.Its time to find out if he should keep his 40 man roster spot.Will be interesting to see what happens with Farnsworth's spot.Texas getting desperate for pitching,we can't get Profor (even if he is hurt) but They has another SS who could be in play(Sardinas)

James
James

@Victor Triguero  Considering we have quite a bit of depth in terms of young arms I disagree completely.  Now fixing the offense we can't do much, but we are not going to get a lot better than what is in our farm system out there right now without a significant move which would in turn cost us those arms out of the farm as well.

mets2014
mets2014

@Zach Goeringer he would have been gone when germen comes back next week anyway, so they probably figured why not save a few bucks in the process

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@mets2014 Well when Gee comes off the DL they could just as well send Montero or deGrom back to AAA depending on how they do starting and if they want to try to transition 1 of them to the BP or not

Father Dooley
Father Dooley

@mets2014 Just enough time for these two sub-par pitchers to cause us losses!  Although I hope not!

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

@jenkins  i'm not a Collins hater, because i feel the blame lies with the FO if this team doesn't succeed, more than it does with Collins.  Nevertheless, i do question his in game managing moves from time to time. With that said, Wally has won everywhere he has been. The kids seem to love playing for him. Hopefully, he gets a shot here, or with another club. 

hankincolo
hankincolo

@Radickey_ebooks @hankincoloThank you. Reading the posting again, it says he had a low strikeout rate. If you think about it, mgmt wants K guys coming out of the bullpen. He wasn't giving them that.

grillruben
grillruben

@James

When you say depth are you referring to Black and Thornton? Because Black sucks.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@mets2014 Our entire bullpen is designed to save money. We lead in a new band of cheap misfits every year that fail time and time again. When someone actually proves his worth you pay him. I'm not saying throw 5 mil at the guy but slightly less than a million is the going rate for a serviceable reliever.

mets2014
mets2014

@Brian Webster @mets2014 Montero's promotion was not dependent on gee's injury, so I would think gee's return will not affect Montero's status...I agree if deGrom struggles, he is certainly a candidate to be demoted

jenkins
jenkins

@Joseph DeFazio  That's where I am. too. Except I want Wally with the Mets-not anywhere else. He's perfect for an aggressive young, pitching-dominant team.

Tom Gallagher
Tom Gallagher

How does black suck? He looked good in his brief stint last season, had a bad spring training, and has been dominant I Vegas so far (recently taking over as their closer)

Andrew Sodergren
Andrew Sodergren

They actually offered Rodney a 2 year deal, he just went with Mariners because they offered more money.

Tom Gallagher
Tom Gallagher

If edgin does well if be curious who goes. Dice k? He may opt out anyway. Rice? It's nice to have 2 LOOGYs. Germen?

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Fair point, but then why wouldn't you send down dice k and make Mejia the long reliever? dice k has been allowing way too many base runners. I love Mejia and Familia but giving two inexperienced pitchers the 8th and 9th inning is a little bit scary. But I guess with an anything goes mentality in our bullpen for the last 5 years it can be a rewarding risk.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@Zach Goeringer @mets2014 That's not really true as both were offered contracts. In fact, it was reported that the contract the Mets offered Balfour was essentially the same as what he signed for in Tampa.

mets2014
mets2014

@Zach Goeringer @mets2014 next week germen will be coming back so valverde or edgin will be dfa'd...the following week gee will be back so the other will be dfa'd...by the end of the month the bullpen will look like this:

familia closer

mejia 8th inn

torres 7th inn

rice LOOGY

germen

deGrom

dice k

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@mets2014 @Zach Goeringer They checked in on their prices and backed off immediately. I'm not advocating for big money relievers, it bit us big time with Frank Francisco, I just want them to reward people that are actually contributing to our bullpen being that it happens so few and far between.

mets2014
mets2014

@Brian Webster yes of course that is a possibility...I just feel that the FO is ready to go forward with deGrom and Montero...provided they are pitching well enough

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@mets2014 That's true but now with the injury and deGrom also getting a shot in the rotation at the same time it's going to be a competition between the 2 of them now to see who pitches better and gets to keep that 5th starter spot. When Gee is ready to return if deGrom has performed better than Montero then deGrom would keep starting and Montero would either go back down to AAA or the BP.