Mets offered Niese to M’s for Brad Miller

Last winter, the Mets offered Jon Niese to the Mariners for SS Brad Miller, baseball reporter Peter Gammons recently told MLB Network (MLB.com, Aug. 19).


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According to Gammons, despite speculation from fans and media, the Mets and Cubs do not see eye to eye on a potential deal swapping pitching for hitting. Chicago reporter Mark Gonzalez made a similar comment to SNY’s Mostly Mets Podcast earlier this week >> Read more.

Instead, Gammons said, because Miller is now on the bench, he could easily see Miller eventually being traded to the Mets.


Miller, 24, has struggled all season, having never hit above .208, despite 348 plate appearances. He hit .265 with a .318 OBP, eight home runs and 11 doubles in 306 at bats in 2013, at which point he was considered among the best hitting prospects in baseball.


The Mets and Mariners also reportedly talked about a deal for 22-year-old 2B-SS Nick Franklin, dating as far back as the Winter Meetings, according to a team insider (ESPN NY, Feb. 24). It was later reported that the Mariners were likely to deal Franklin before Opening Day (ESPN NY, Feb. 20), but he started the season with their Triple-A team.


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In May, a person with knowledge of the team’s thinking said the Mets were still focused on trading for a young shortstop under team control for many seasons (Daily News, May 21), such as Miller or Franklin, but no deal was made prior to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline.


miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: The D-Backs and Mariners were often seen scouting Mets minor leagues this past March. The sides had low-level talks before the start of the regular season, but the Mets were repeatedly asked to part with Noah Syndergaard, who the Mets were not interested in trading.

I never got the impression Alderson was willing to waste any of his young arms on Franklin, who may end up being only slightly better than Wilmer Flores on the infield. Miller may be a different story, since he has a ton of potential, a big bat and a good eye, but decreasing value due to his recent struggles in the big leagues. For all of the talk about the Cubs, it seems like the inevitable match-made-in-heaven type trades never come to fruition, either because there was never any substance there to begin with or because pressure builds to win the deal. Hey, remember years ago, talking about Jose Reyes, the Rangers and Alex Rodriguez? Better yet, remember two years of Barry Zito, Lastings Milledge and the A’s? Yikes!!

In the end, before Alderson ever caves and overpays the Cubs for Javier Baez or Starlin Castro, I think there is a far better chance he deals Jon Niese, Kevin Plawecki, Rafael Montero, etc., for a guy like Miller or an infielder from the D-Backs.




144 comments
steve333
steve333

Proof that Alderson needs to go. What a stupid trade and why the heck didn't the Mariners go for it? Maybe proof that the Ms GM needs to go as well

John Schod
John Schod

How many games have the Mets won this year when Murph and DW had less than 3 hits collectively?

glatt79
glatt79

Niese for Who? At this point just play out these games and we will probably have a top 10 pick high enough that we can just Draft a college SS.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Oh yeah ... now we're targeting other teams' rejects.

Michael Zvirblis
Michael Zvirblis

Can anyone plays this game? At least the ones in Corona!

Michael Bellissimo
Michael Bellissimo

We already have a SS who can flash leather and not hit. Our guy at least hit .260 a couple of years ago at the ML level. Why would we give up talented pitcher"s" for a guy hitting .208?  Wilmer may start to hit and his D hasn't been awful. He has always been projected as a solid ML bat. Meanwhile the Reynolds a kid is playing well at LV, hopefully he'll be up in Sept. and we can see what he's got.


Why trade Neise now?  He is our only ML ready lefty.  Maybe Gee, because all of our good young starters are RH.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

"In the field, Reynolds is a very good defender. He has solid-average speed, soft hands, and a strong arm."

metjetnet
metjetnet

This SS trade mania has to stop. 

Time after time, I keep seeing insane trade ideas promoted as the salvation to our Mets woes. Sorry, but there just are NO CLEAR UPGRADES OUT THERE that don't have sizable risks & potential downsides as well. Lots of lateral moves available; that's about it. Tejada Lite, maybe; a few Tejada Heavies, too. But everyone I see is no better a deal long term than Reuben. Sad, but true.

I'm just not seeing ANY SSs out there who have all that much more upside than what we have at a low cost in our own system.

So far, Miller and Franklin are Tejada, and how happy are you with HIM? What if you'd given up deGrom for him? EeeeK!

Tulo is right on the verge of falling apart on a grand scale. How many millions can you spare to get a few good games before he does his Robbie Alomar imitation into the sunset? Haven't we had enough Jaaon Bay's here over the years???

So far, the only name I'm seeing that has any type of value for us going forward is Baez. Nice player. Even then, he's not worth scraping off the very top of our farm system to acquire. 2nd level guys maybe, but HE'S still unproven, too. And the Cubs are gonna have to move SOME of these guys -- there's just not enough room for them all. Sorry, nobody else out there qualifies.


One other point keeps getting missed in all this -- motivating your own farm system!! Creating a meritocracy that fuels internal competition. 

These guys are playing really well throughout the system these days, and they need to know that they have a shot at a MLB roster spot if they keep playing at a high level.

Where do the Matt Reynolds, Nimmos, T.J. Riveras and Plaweckis of the system go after they've shot through the system and then are not given a shot at competing for a roster spot? What does that do to the rest of your system? Where's THEIR motivation? What do you say to a 20-yr. old Herrera if he's not allowed to think he can move Murphy off of 2nd base?

The entire final Omar class of Kirk, denDekker, etc. are coming to the very end of their window. It's absolutely Now or Good-bye. It's now time to let Sandy's group from 2011+ begin to filter up through the roster -- they're all starting to hit a ceiling at AA & AAA. The've been trained & raised to "Play like Mets" and now it's time to let them do so, and not think they're only trade bait for other teams' guys who are no better than they are…

The pitchers among them are clearly ready. It's time to give some leash to the players who've been tearing up each level they've been at.

Or risk losing them mentally...

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

At Arkansas, Reynolds "was originally a shortstop, but a torn thumb ligament sidelined his freshman season, and when he returned the Razorbacks put him at third."

bklynlou
bklynlou

This guy must be a mariner fan horrible trade 

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

Oh, come on now. Lowrie is 30 years old and is hitting .238. Hardy is 32 years old. We shouldn't be building our future on already-30 year olds. I can remember one bad play that Flores has made and some say it was because he was rushed on the throw. As one analyst just wrote, Flores "has not embarrassed the Mets" with his fielding. And I don't believe Reynolds has ever played 2B. I think he was drafted as a SS. I'll have to check.

tk2120
tk2120

Niese for Miller would have been tragic.

xplr
xplr

Trade a front line starter for some scrub SS hitting 208? Does anyone remember Chris Young (who BTW, is still unemployed)?

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

fores made some decent plays, but also made really bad ones. i would not say well or even average. herrera and reynolds are both really second baseman. reynolds will probably be a utility guy. we still need a ss. i agree that i dont want those players though. especially when we can clear salary and sign a lowrie or Hardy instead without giving up anyone this offseason. we cant stand pat though. we are falling way behind nats, braves and Marlins.

eric88
eric88

Trade Niese , +,+, for a decent CHEAP of course SS. Niese is awful, will never win, soft, soft, soft.

Mikey J
Mikey J

I just don't understand how a package built around Niese and Montero wouldn't be able to net us Addison Russell from the Cubs. That seems like a win/win deal to me.

Robert Babcock
Robert Babcock

Am I crazy in thinking it would just be easier to keep the pitching in hand and just go out and sign Melky and JJ Hardy to fill LF & SS?  

hashburry
hashburry

So now the Red Sox have a revamped OF, and a bunch of prospects that they can trade for pitching.  Anyone that thinks spending isn't the way to fix your team is blind.  The Mets could go out this winter, song a guy like Lester to head up their way too young pitching staff, and trade one or two or even three of their young pitcher to rebuild their absolutely pathetic lineup.  But they will never spend like they need to.  Life would be so much better as a Met fan if the Wilpons had been indicted along with Madoff like they should have been.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

Is it just me, or does it feel like we're never going to sign/trade for/acquire someone who is just GOOD? Not someone who was once a hot prospect, or who has the potential to break out, but who is honest-to-god, right now, no-questions-asked a GOOD, productive, major league caliber player? 

hankypanky
hankypanky

Why don't we trade Wheeler and deGrom for Drew or Tulo? Remember them? You do not gut the core of your rotation for Castro. Everyone else is trade-bait, including Noah. Please remember that Harvey is coming back from surgery and may or may not be the same.

hashburry
hashburry

More garbage for the Mets roster.

rock316nyj
rock316nyj

I feel as though Sandy is thinking the price to acquire a bat is too high, and as we've seen with him in the past he will not budge...we will sign stop gaps for SS and LF, perhaps Plawecki can manae to play LF...if not Sandy is thinking Nimmo and Conforto are maybe a yr away...the only potential move I see is for SS where Montero Gee/Neise Murph some prospects can be enough to at least get someone of quality there

George Brezny
George Brezny

My biggest concern between a Mets/Cubs deal for any of their SS's is that Theo will outsmart the Mets on any deal he agrees 

John Schod
John Schod

We don't need more mediocrity!

Need Ozzie Rodriquez Reyes instead!!

blueorange
blueorange

@metjetnet. Jose Reyes, I know it will never happen but getting him back would be awesome.

elcondor
elcondor

Gotta look to see if Jose Iglesiass is available now that Eugenio Suarez is playing a good SS IN Detroit

David Gawkowski
David Gawkowski

@tk2120 Not really, Miller has a ton of upside and a good glove and is 23. Niese is throwing 88 and very hittable. He's either hurt or will be soon and the Mets can easily replace him next year.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@xplr He's not a scrub, he had a bad year but is a big-time prospect. The trade was offered before he hit .208. He hit .360 and slugged .600 in AAA last year when the deal was offered -- and I still believe he will be a really good SS. I'd love to re-visit this idea with a smaller offer -- maybe a minor prospect can get him now.

elcondor
elcondor

Gotta be Synegaard even up, Cubs may look at it if they don't sign Two FA Pitchers. All signs show Cubbies tob very aggressive pursuing FA pitching

William John Dwyer
William John Dwyer

@Paul LeBarron Why? so someone else can be brought in to do the same thing?  If you are a fan that doesn't like the cheap alternative players that SA has brought in because of lack of payroll...then fine...because his replacement is just going to do the same thing  But if you're a fan that wants to fill spots via FA...then that is on the Wilpons and their unwillingness to spend right now.

hankypanky
hankypanky

If gutting the core of your starting rotation is okay with you, then yes, you will see results.

gattsu
gattsu

@Jay Cross It feels that way, but the problem is that is exactly what we need. We need a SS and a LF who can come in and produce IMMEDIATELY at the ML level. No more prospects that are years away. It's playoffs or bust next year. No more excuses from Sandy or Terry the clown.

Mikey J
Mikey J

Tulo is far too injury prone to make a trade even remotely worth it.

hankypanky
hankypanky

The other GM's don't budge either. It's a two-way street.

Paul LeBarron
Paul LeBarron

@hankypanky  1 guy  in your starting rotation was brought here by SA and he had to trade Omars CY Young winner to do it. Seriously

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@hankypanky I don't want to gut our pitching, but do you know what I also don't want? A 2015 season full of 1-0 or 2-1 or 3-2 losses, which we've had a ton of this year. We need to be able to score runs, not just shut the other team down. I can barely remember what it's like to watch a productive offense wearing Mets colors! 

eric88
eric88

@gattsu @Jay Cross They have no thoughts of serious contention. Just stay out on the borderline of the playoffs to get fannies in the seats.

William John Dwyer
William John Dwyer

@Mikey J I agree...BUT what should be seen here is an opportunity to buy low.  Maybe it won't take both a Wheeler or deGrom to get him now.

William John Dwyer
William John Dwyer

@thecasuaLGM @Paul LeBarron @hankypanky I think he is reffering to R.A. and getting Syndaguard (sp?) in the deal.  Even though Syn isn't in the rotation yet.  idk what the meaning is though, since trading R.A. made total sense.  You trade high...NOT LOW.

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

I know that he is refering to dickey. He said we have one starter in the rotation that sandy brought. Wheeler is that starter right nowand we traded beltran for him. Just breaking this guy's balls.