Las Vegas 51s

Mets likely to keep Triple-A team in Las Vegas

The Mets are likely to keep their Triple-A team in Las Vegas for two more seasons, Mets GM Sandy Alderson told reporter Todd Dewey (Review Journal, Aug. 24).

The organization will probably sign another two-year player development deal with the 51s, according to Alderson.

“That’s a very strong possibility,” Alderson said. “We have a great relationship with the 51s organization. I’ve known (team president) Don Logan a long time, and he runs an excellent operation.”

The Mets moved their Triple-A team to Las Vegas beginning in the 2013 season. The Mets previously had their Triple-A team in Buffalo, New Orleans and Norfolk.

“I’ve got a real good feeling we’re going to be back,” 51s manager Wally Backman said. “I don’t know that for sure, but I think we’ll be back.”




151 comments
Joel Beck
Joel Beck

That stinks. Need a team closer to ny

donw
donw

Great relationships are fine and I have no reason to doubt Sandy's claim that Don Logan "runs an excellent organization."  However, the real question is does this arrangement the best for winning games at the MLB.

Evil_MrM
Evil_MrM

As some have already posted here, the New Britain Rock Cats (CT, a AA affiliate of the Twins) will be moving to Hartford in 2016.  An improved stadium will be built which, I assume, would be up to AAA standards.


I see three possibilities here:


1) Hartford will try to poach the AAA affiliate of the Red Sox, based in Pawtucket, RI.  If so, the Mets could try to move into Pawtucket;


2) Plan B would be to go after the Mets (assuming the Yankees are happy where they are).  This would be mostly advantageous to the Mets as the team is far enough away not to draw away any significant numbers of fans from the big club (interestingly, the NY local market includes all of Hartford county to the MA line).


3) Plan C would be for Hartford to keep the New Britain AA Twins franchise, but I don't see this long-term.  CT is a big enough state to field a AAA team (even though Hartford is depressed, the surrounding towns are fairly affluent and doing fine), and it'll be a brand new stadium with (hopefully) deluxe accommodations.


I now take my tin-foil hat off...

Eric Slater
Eric Slater

I would even settle for New Orleans again.

metjetnet
metjetnet

A nice change that Sandy has brought to the Mets system… A redefinition of AAA as a place for prospects.

For many years, across MLB, there was a real discernible caste system between AA & AAA. 

AA was for prospects & AAA was for spare parts. 

AAA rosters were mostly former MLers; failed MLers with too much talent to release; perpetual AAAA guys; guys who'd had a few decent years, but when they failed ultimately they couldn't walk away, so just caught on somewhere; and prospects who were touted upon call up, but then flopped, which botched their prospect status -- they were still being counted on, so were sent to the AAA repair shop; and guys just hanging on for one more payday. Many players who just weren't good enough. This is where your career lifers tend to max out. But AAA tends to have few highly touted rising stars.

AA was for your prospects -- either from expectations or actual production from guys who'd forced themselves into serious consideration. These are often the guys who cause a MLer to be traded as they push to the top. This is also the level where our best class of draftees now resides, after causing a ruckus in Bkln, in Savannah, in St. Lucie & now in Binghamton.

Sandy has expanded those prospect/non-prospect views to include serious contenders for Queens at AAA as well. It also builds a healthy system-wide competition -- Matt Reynolds at AAA, TJ Rivera & Dilson Herrera at AA are all basically competing vs. each other. That's good for the system AND for the Mets.


Doubleday
Doubleday

“I’ve got a real good feeling we’re going to be back,” 51s manager Wally Backman said from the lobby of the Bellagio, while throwing dice.

Dan Camarda
Dan Camarda

Yeah great comment as usual Sandy. Stay as far away from Queens where all hitters numbers are inflated and all our young pictures lose their confidence. But I'm sure because no other team would want their triple A team there we got a great deal!

Steve Cowit
Steve Cowit

Biggest joke in Major League Baseball

mets702
mets702

love having them here in vegas  actually a lot of mets fans out here.

hankypanky
hankypanky

What's wrong with Montreal? Fan base and stadium are in place. The retractable roof hasn't worked in decades, so expect cold weather in April. Otherwise, it looks fine.

mesmo
mesmo

Why not switch the players at Las Vegas with those at Binghampton? It can remain our AA affiliate, but we would promote from there. Maybe it's stupid and It's probably breaking some rule, but haven't players been promoted from AA before?

matt greco
matt greco

i'm curious what the deal is with both A) the people who continue to post comments blasting the mets for not moving out of vegas, and B) the people who like those comments and then post their own comment in the same vein as A, even though it has been explained probably 97 times as to WHY they CANNOT move out of vegas and are pretty much stuck there.  is the reading comprehension level of the fans on this blog being brought down by the idiots that write for it?


i'm one of the first to blast the mets for all the stupid stuff they do, but this one really isn't their fault (unless you count jeff wilpon being a tool and costing them their spot in norfolk)...

fatherflot
fatherflot

The Mets already have a AAA franchise in Queens, the Flushing Baysharkz

matmil
matmil

Vegas would seem like a big distraction for young players. Better off someplace where they can focus on the baseball.

shinjoooo
shinjoooo

Their logo looks like it belongs on a bowling team jersey.

mike23
mike23

Do mets ever make the correct move, why would they want to return to las vegas....there really isn't a stadium on the east coast that they can move to? 

Matt Marcellus
Matt Marcellus

I am so sick of reading the mets are "likely" to make every wrong choice possible.

Move to Hartford when they build the new downtown stadium!

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Makes a lot of sense. The field and environment is pretty much the exact opposite of Citi Fields.  In an emergency where we need a player called up for that day we can't doing anything about it being that it's 4/5th's of the way across the country. And since we have built our franchise for the next 8 to 10 years around pitching it would make all the sense in the world that we would have our triple A affiliate be in a Coors field like atmosphere so that they can get smacked around on their last stop before the majors.

Having our Triple A affiliate in Vegas not only makes no sense, but is actually detrimental to most of our top prospects development. With that in mind I am not shocked at all that our brass renewed the lease. They seem to be for whatever is the most harmful thing for the franchise at the moment.

slainte2
slainte2

Rochester seems like the ideal fit from Mets point of view ... but if not available, Mets should flex some major market muscle and get MLB to persuade International League into expansion, then buy one of the local venues that others talked about below.

Edward Feltus
Edward Feltus

They had a nice deal with Tidewater a long time ago. Why did they ever leave there?


hankypanky
hankypanky

Spot on in evaluation of AA players.

chasesimms
chasesimms

@matt greco  "unless you count jeff wilpon being a tool and costing them their spot in norfolk)..."


Yeah.  Lets not count that.  

zoddie
zoddie

@mike23  No, there really isn't a stadium on the east coast they can move to.  Read the comments below for more information (that should have been provided in this post, now that I think about it).  It sucks, because Vegas is a terrible place to play.

slainte2
slainte2

Buying a AAA franchise, and moving to brand new stadium in Hartford (outside of territory subject to Yankee's veto power) would be perfect and smart.  Shyte, Sterling equities could even grab some of the development dollars for Hartford construction.  its been said hundred times here, but having a franchise in Vegas is a joke and hurts any real evaluation of talent ...

matt greco
matt greco

@Zach Goeringer where else do you want them to go?  there has to be an opening somewhere else for them to even think about moving...

matt greco
matt greco

@slainte2 they don't have money to spend on the major league team, and you want them to start buying things related to the AAA team?

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Edward Feltus The Tides basically threw them out. Apparently they were very unhappy with the Mets brass, and felt like they'd been taken for granted for years (not sure how, exactly). Plus they had the opportunity to link up with a team a little closer to them.

zoddie
zoddie

@chasesimms @matt greco  I liked both of these comments!


The issue isn't blaming Jeffy for screwing up our deal with Norfolk (though being an Oriole's affiliate makes more sense for them geographically, anyway), but the commenters here screaming about moving to some random town and not understanding how affiliates or the minor leagues work even though it has been explained "97 times."  Because, seriously, it has.  Just not in the original blog post.  Which is also a problem.  It wasn't like there was some big decision that the organization made to stay in Vegas -- there is no other choice right now.

nthmetsfan
nthmetsfan

@slainte2 That's my feeling exactly.  It would also allow them to broaden the fan-base in central CT.


There are also teams beginning to make other affiliation arrangements, so the Mets should be on the hunt.  As I recall, very few franchises were interested in moving to Las Vegas.

slainte2
slainte2

@matt greco @slainte2 

first ... nice lei.

And ya, i'd like them to act like smart, long term, savvy owners of a billion dollar (?) business, and invest some money for organization's benefit.  This, IMHO, would be that. 

BTW, the Vegas 51s have been sold 3 times in last 6 years, with most recent owners buying in 2011 with intent to move to affluent Summerlin, Nevada.  Problem ... Summerlin doesn't want them, so team is stuck idling ... meanwhile stadium is a dump, ownership has stated they won't put money into renovations, and city will not put public money in either.  And attendance averages 5K per game (in a 9K venue).  Seems like a franchise RIPE to be bought for a song.  

Mets can't buy franchise rights and compel a swap to International League to a local venue??  Positive customer relations alone would be worth the 10M.

Edward Feltus
Edward Feltus

@Eddie_Dean @Edward Feltus  Thanks, I never could figure that out. 1st they said they loved the place, then poof, they were gone! The Mets do everything in a chintzy way.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Zach Goeringer @matt greco There aren't any openings for them to go after right now, unfortunately. Only real possibility is Rochester, but they seem bent on re-upping their deal with the Twins for some reason.


They really should've treated Norfolk better, apparently.

matt greco
matt greco

@slainte2 you're assuming they know anything about positive customer relations - which, given this ownership group, is not a safe assumption.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@matt greco Interesting article. I'm surprised at how bad the facilities in Vegas are. I knew it was a bad spot because of it's location, but I wouldn't of expected the facilities to be in such disrepair as well. This is Vegas, after all. Probably the most affluent place in the country to not have a major sports franchise anywhere near it. You'd think they'd treat a AAA team fairly well, but I guess not.


At least it sounds like they're building a new park. And since, as the Snickers commercial says, it looks like the Mets are not going anywhere for awhile, they should have that to look forward to.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Zach Goeringer @Eddie_Dean @matt greco Buffalo wanted to be affiliated with the Blue Jays, and jumped at the opportunity when it presented itself. There wasn't anything the Mets could do about it.