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Mets have played 900 games since Willie Randolph was fired

The last time the Mets traveled to the play the Angels, Omar Minaya fired Willie Randolph and Rick Peterson in the middle of the night.

“It just got to the point that speculation about his job had become a distraction to the team,” said Minaya, now with the Padres as a Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations (Daily News, Apr. 12). “Willie and I were friends. We still are good friends. I know the optics of it looked bad, late at night on the West Coast, but I wanted to do it after the game. It was my decision and a decision that had to be done.”

The Mets were 302-253 (.544) under Randolph, who led the team to their only NL East title in 25 years. They are 433-479 (.474) since he was fired >> Read more in the Daily News.





123 comments
Rob Steven
Rob Steven

Willie sucked as a manager, period. I'm not saying he isn't a nice person since I don't know him personally. I liked him more as a player. I must say the Omar & Willie years were my least favorite as a Met fan.

Jeff/Omar/Willie = Jim Dolan/Isiah Thomas, incompetence at it's worst.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

If there's a bad way to do something it seems the Mets always find it.

Wow, some of you guys must have a seriously short memory... it must be from all the alcohol us Mets fans are forced to drink each baseball season...


Anyway, Willie was fired because he had no idea how to manage a National league team and didn't have the slightest clue how to manage a bullpen. There's one main reason for the collapse of the 2007 team, and that was because of the way Willie ran the bullpen during that stretch run. I remember literally screaming at the TV during some of his bullpen calls... each one of them resulted in the Mets blowing a late lead and losing the game.


Yes, the Mets have been a lot worse since the Willie years, but that's because of the lack of talent on the field, not due to the manager of the team...

Phil Mancini
Phil Mancini

Willie was Wilpon's choice as manager and the fact that 1. he interviewed for numerous managerial spots before finally be hired and 2. he he has been out of baseball for quite awhile speaks to what little regard baseball has for Randolph.  

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

And it's pretty much been downhill ever since..not saying it's the reason. Just an observation...

Michael Paulsen
Michael Paulsen

They actually were better under Willie, been in the abyss since.

getalife
getalife

Metsblog taking the night off...?

TheRealSayHey24
TheRealSayHey24

Omar is the Senior VP of Baseball Operations for the Padres, and Willie can't keep a job.  Says all you need to know. 

Steven Glansberg
Steven Glansberg

Just saw the lineup posted.. Granderson Ike Duda Lagares.. Come on Terry, it should be grandy ike lagares duda..  3 lefties is a row is just stupid

Steve Barbato
Steve Barbato

Typical Mets fans. Bitch about the only manager that's taken us to the playoffs in the last 14 years, and got the Mets within a couple innings of the world series. Idiots.

rico
rico

Hey Mets Blog ..what time is the game today?

Lou Di Falco
Lou Di Falco

Willie should have never been fired. It was a panic move as was so often made by the Mets back then. The long term solution to winning that the Mets have currently employed now should have started during Minaya's tenure. The worst thing that happened to the Mets back then was to win the east so easily in 2006. If you look at the data carefully, they won big in part because the rest of the division was so bad. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the '06 season immensely but the front office should have realized that the long term outlook of the team was not as good as the 2006 season made it seem. Instead of firing Randolph, Minaya and co should have begun the process of rebuilding a tattered farm system and plan the future that hopefully we are about to finally get to now. My fear of course is that the Wilpons will bow to pressure once again if things go really bad this year. Sandy Alderson is doing the right thing. He has stockpiled very good arms in the minors, it's just a matter of time that success becomes common. Blow up the plan now and we will be right back to square one. I have followed the Mets since the mid 60s. This is a franchise that has never achieved sustained success because they have always been too reactionary. Even the great teams of the 80s eventually withered because of worries of malcontents and not having players that projected a positive image. Alderson's approach is the correct and I hope the Mets stick it out even with another lack luster start we are seeing so far. 

dannym28
dannym28

Lineup tonight: 

Ey

Murph

Wright

Grandy

Ike

Duda

Recker

tejada

TheRealSayHey24
TheRealSayHey24

Seems ridiculous to me that there's an issue over what time of day Randolph was fired.  He was a below average manager, made Reyes out to be a non-hustler, and overall had no ability to understand NL baseball strategy.  They didn't fly him out there to fire him, and if so, who cares.  He had to fly back.  Oh, the horror.  

rayu110
rayu110

Class, character and intelligence that sadly is not generally the norm inside Met upper office and managerial hirings. 

Steve Phillips? Omar Minaya? Dan Warthen?? 

Of course, the fingerprints on all this are unmistakable: Fred and Jeff. Character? Intelligence? Enough said.

rico
rico

do all the blog entries here have to originate on the Metsmerized blog?



steve333
steve333

What a dumb poll.

I have a favorable view of him as a person, but not as a manager

mets2891
mets2891

I think there's a lot of revisionist history with Willie due to how horribly the Mets handled his firing.  The fact is the guy had lost the team and he never should've been able to have come back after the '07 collapse.  Just leave it to the Mets to completely screw up a decision that most people agreed with.

Andy
Andy

Collins is awful.

vandelay
vandelay

I'd take TC over Willie.  Neither are brilliant strategist, but the players seem to like TC a lot more than they liked Willie.  When Willie was here there was constant talk about player discord, drama in the clubhouse.  Willie wasn't particularly good at handling players behind the scenes or at the in-game stuff.  Usually managers are good at at least one of the two.  And he was given a great team...something TC hasn't been close to receiving since he's been here.

Sean Andrew Ingram
Sean Andrew Ingram

Like him as a baseball player, but hated him as a manager. I guess some people have short memories, but the guy managed on "hunches", blew games early in seasons in which he said games don't count until September anyways. Well, some of those early season games you said don't count  would've got us in the play-offs in 07 and 08. 

Guy was a great ballplayer and a good coach, but sucked as a manager. And I question Terry, but to all those below who say they prefer Randolph, lets see what Collins could've done with a roster that Willie had. Maybe we're in play-offs every year from 05-08.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@Lou Di Falco  You had me until "not having players that projected a positive image".  Our best team ever was one of the nastiest teams of all time. I don't care what character the players have, they aren't my friends... they are my entertainment.  I want them to be great and know it.  

The only character I care about is their integrity on the field.

vandelay
vandelay

@Lou Di Falco  I don't think it was a "panic movie".  The Willie watch drug on for a long time before they finally pulled the trigger.

dannym28
dannym28

oh and ike at first duda at dh

TheRealSayHey24
TheRealSayHey24

@rayu110  Omar Minaya is classless?  You obviously don't know much about Omar Minaya.  I'll guess at your response - he fired a guy and the guy had to fly home; or he got mad at a slimy reporter during a stressful time.  

nolrog
nolrog

@steve333 I was just about to post something along those lines.  The poll is vague.  As a player, as a manager as a person? 

rico
rico

C'mon guys. Everybody was hating and flaming Randolph just as much or more as they did Manuel, and now TC.

See a pattern there?

TheRealSayHey24
TheRealSayHey24

@Victor Triguero  One pitch short?  They still would have had to play a WS.  I'm not sure how this guy was such a good 2B, and such a horrible manager.  

hankypanky
hankypanky

Interesting. How do you account for the fact that Randolph lost the respect of the players yet Collins has them playing hard in spite of the talent being less? The Wheeler under the bus fable is traceable to the out of context ranting on this blog, as is the opposition throwing at one of our players (remember who that player was? Think hard.) The Valdespin bunch believe their own lies.and can never face the truth.

vandelay
vandelay

@chasesimms  He probably thinks he's a player who should be able to play and not worry about a fan reaching onto the field and grabbing him from behind in the middle of the game.  I don't see how Granderson overreacted...all he basically did was yell at the fan and tell him not to do that.  It's not like he attacked the fan or was screaming at him so much he had to be restrained from him.

buddyryan
buddyryan

It's simple, fans should not lean over the railing and touch a player. If the Candyman was a Hockey player he would have decked the fan.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Randolph never understood the nuances of NL strategy, having sat on the bench with Torre and dealing with the DH. He refused to serve any time in the minors, honing his skills as a manager which shows arrogance on his part and stupidity by Omar. Sorry, haters, TC is flawed but is a better manager dealing with less talent.p

mets2891
mets2891

@Victor Triguero I can't say I agree with that when the Mets underachieved under him in '07 and '08.  And I'm sorry, but the Mets were better than the Cardinals in '06 so that's another black eye on his resume as far as I'm concerned.

rico
rico

Thank you Steven

Why they don't post that info on the day of is bizarre or just sloth.

TheRealSayHey24
TheRealSayHey24

@dannym28  Thanks!  That's why I came to the blog tonight, but got mixed up in Willie Randolph talk.  

rayu110
rayu110

@TheRealSayHey24 @rayu110I obviously do know that the guy spent more time kissing up to Jeff Wilpon, undercutting his manager, and avoiding blame than anyone in the organization before or since.

chasesimms
chasesimms

@Steven Matregrano @chasesimms  Haa!  Settle down Nancy.  I'm a professional too.  Just not a professional athlete.   


Are you one of those girls who gets herself all worked up and wet about pro athletes?  You seem to have your panties all in a bunch over my comment.  


NBA players get tapped on the should all the damn time as they walk onto the court.   Granderson had already caught the ball.   There was no interference.  

nolrog
nolrog

@Victor Triguero When I was watching them choke away a 7 game lead with 17 to play in 2007, I was calling for his head to roll, yes.