Noah Syndergaard

Mets have one of stronger farm systems in NL, says Sickels

Noah Syndergaard is the organization’s top, and only, A prospect, according to prospect analyst John Sickels of Minor League Ball.

In the view of Sickels, a Grade A prospect is ‘elite,’ while prospects with a B grade ‘have a good chance to enjoy successful careers.’ Grade C prospects are ‘common.’

Sickels says the Mets have 12 prospects that get a B, including C Travis d’Arnaud, pitchers Rafeal Montero, Jacob deGrom and Vic Black, 1B Dom Smith, C Kevin Plawecki, infielder Wilmer Flores, 2B Dilson Herrera, shortstops Amed Rosario and Gavin Cecchini and outfielders Brandon Nimmo and Cesar Puello.

“There are a lot of guys who have a chance to be number four/five starters or at least valid relief arms,” according to Sickels. “In those terms this is one of the stronger farm systems in the National League: the raw material for a really nice pitching staff is here and there is talent at all levels. Given the attrition rate among pitching prospects, gathering as many pitching arms as possible is a worthy strategy. Everyone tries to do that, but the Mets have actually made it work.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

In talking with experts around the game, be it prospect gurus or people in player development with other teams, it seems the Mets have an elite farm system when it comes to pitching. However, if you add in their hitters, the overall system drops to middle of the pack. This is why I’m surprised to see so many position players in John’s Top 20.


Read More: Top 20 Mets Prospects by John Sickels at Minor League Ball

76 comments
eric88
eric88

Shaun Marcum????? 10 loses in two months!!!!!!!!!!

eric88
eric88

Robby, Wake up and make sense. He didn't get Wheeler from the Giants. The Giants gave that up because of the need and value they perceived Beltran had in a pennant race. That was their decision He didn't put them under a spell. If he could Ike Davis would be gone. Those teams decided that what they were asked to give wasn't worth it. The world new about Wheeler. He did not uncover a hidden gem. Same with Byrd and Buck. He DID NOT get what he wanted from the Pirates and settled for what he got. You mention how short they stayed with those teams. That has nothing to do with it. Its a sellers Market in a pennant race. What free agent signingprior to this winter impressed you. What undervalued minor leaguer did he fleece from another team who went on to star for us. Would you have rehired the hitting coach this year after Duda, Davis, Tejada, d'arneau, all crashed to under .200. What did he do for Legares who hit 65 points higher in AAA.. Who had a breakout year. These players are all back and need a different approach. What trades has he made this OUR WINTER of 2014. Anybody can overpay in years or money to older less desirable FA. Cruz is Grandersens age with a better record is still out there. Please, think before you dribble. You like many Mets fans have been trained to have lower expectations. Maybe our record will Finally improve this year, but I don't see it.

eric88
eric88

Sandy, hello, hello, are you there. Wake up. You are filthy with pitching at all levels. Why can't you get a couple of upper B talent  from other organizations say a SS and an athletic outfielder who is a year or so away in case C Young bombs and needs to be replaced in 2015. You have the value PITCHING. Not one trade this off season, you are supposed to trade strength for their strength. Since you are our GM 3 years you have not made one successful trade other than the two no brainer trade of your very high value pieces for A prospects. I know you got fleeced in the Pagan trade, but don't make that hesitant. We all make mistakes. Lets go, you have work to do.

David Wright
David Wright

Package up some of that B talent and get major leaguers. Ruben is a AA talent.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

"middle of the pack" with pitching higher than that is pretty good actually. 


This whole thing seems like some sort of five year plan & it actually is -- over time -- seeming to be working. We aren't there yet, but all the nay-sing is tiresome given that unlike c. 2009 or something, the light at the end of the tunnel is visible.

Jim Yager
Jim Yager

I have said it before, and, I'm saying it again :} All of this talk about prospects and garde a stuff does NOT mean anything at all. Until they plat in the BIGS and proove thay have what it takes.

beers22
beers22

The positional players aren't that bad, just that the majority of them are too young or getting too old.  They don't have any top tier positional prospects just on the cusp that scouts love and GMs rave about.  The system is more top 10 than middle of the pack.

Elias Rosario
Elias Rosario

exactly and also you think ellsbury wanted to leave the redsox they knew that way the season started.the redsox didnt want to sign him bc they have another stud in jackie bradley jr the guy can hit he might not steal but you can get a base stealer from the market for way cheaper and then give some years so a base stealer can develop so he can take his spot.the goal is to buy value fron the cheaper side unless heshows he is very good and you have no other backup plan.

Elias Rosario
Elias Rosario

i can show you why wacka was drafted good because luhnow is consider the best of the best why do you think carlos beltran produce so good with the cardinals in the playoffs and not with the mets its.not because of different cities its because they had more of a boost from the farm system.why do you think the cardinals beat the dodgers with so much money the dodgers had and spend.the redsox traded 3 star players to the dodgers for top mlb prospects they are gonna be better because now they have the next core who is gonna take over for the redsox so many starting pitching in that staff they can trade the old guys for hitting and let the new grow in and next offseason they have money left over to sign more star players to compliment the top prospects the redsox have a good future.why do you think they dont have the need to get tanaka while the yankees have every reason to try and get tanaka because they dont have no top mlb prospect anytime soon so they gotta spend over the luxary tax and if it wasnt for a rod deal they wouldnt even be in the conversation.and yankees would of never won without the core(those top prospects) now tell me how important is to have a army of top mlb prospects.they are very consistent and you know how your partner plays because you guys grew up in the minors together.its what you teach the players that helps them and all of that starts from the general manager not what history the mets have had.

Elias Rosario
Elias Rosario

why do you think the yankees were so good in the 90's the gm before cashman did his hw and drafted mariano rivera,jeter,posada. consider the core and they added around that core( because they know if they spend so much money on just the core they cant spend on money on just the core star players that are already aging stars that means in the next 4 years they are consider old and they dont produce as when they were in there prime.

Elias Rosario
Elias Rosario

luhnow and theo epsteins are perfect examples of why the redsox and cardinals have been so good instead of waiting 20 years for a title and different gm with different ideas.

Elias Rosario
Elias Rosario

drew wont end up on the mets.drew is good for his defense but remember getting could mean he has trade value that can get us mlb ready players if he performs.

Elias Rosario
Elias Rosario

mets fans are delusionalfirst of all they were seperated by 20 years if you have an army of top mlb prospects you already have an all star team and paying so little for them and adding superstars just making a dynasty.

Elias Rosario
Elias Rosario

why do you think those teams stay very good?.

Elias Rosario
Elias Rosario

they were all top prospects andthere was a reason why they didnt win the next 20 years.i can name you teams through ws history that have won more titles and have invested in top prospect as there first prioty then sign superstars so they can be even better.

mojorisin
mojorisin

So, what is the plan for Wilmer Flores ? Our best hitting 'prospect' has no clear position except probably 1B, unless we can sell another team on him being able to play 3B. I like him, but I don't see him being able to help us.

Chris Biehl
Chris Biehl

Don't need to sign superstars who will only hamper the payroll while their skills rapidly decline

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

The 1969 team had Seaver, Koosman, Gentry, McAndrew, Ryan, McGraw, Kranepool, Boswell, Harrelson, Garrett, Pfeil, Jones, Swoboda, Gaspar, Dyer. Through trades they acquired players like Cardwell, Clendennon, Weis, Charles, Agee, Shamsky, Grote, Martin.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

I have long maintained that an effective system is comprised of 60% developed from the minors and 40% through trade or free agency. Look at the '69 and '86 teams as models.

Ryan Flanagan
Ryan Flanagan

Shockingly, there was a typo in the heading.

Victor Triguero
Victor Triguero

I understand having pitching. I get it...but what about offense? We can have top quality pitching all we want but we need guys to drive in runs...how many great pitched games have we seem in recent years that either ends up in a loss or no decision

drmetfan
drmetfan

Syndergaard and Montero are the 2 prospects I'm looking forward to seeing in the bigs with the Mets. The same can be said about Puello but he still has to prove himself a little more. 

if Everything goes as it is now, two years for now all the talk will be about Gabriel Ynoa, Dominic Brown and Ahmed Rosario as the Mets top prospects. 

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

"Since you are our GM 3 years you have not made one successful trade other than the two no brainer trade of your very high value pieces for A prospects."


The Byrd/Buck trade for 2 legitimate minor leaguers was a no-brainer?  Huh??  You couldn't find one person on this website who thought that package would get ANYTHING in return, and no it's a no-brainer?  And getting a team like the Giants to give up their #1 pitching prospect for a 2 month rental wasn't a great deal either.Basically you're just an idiot.

Joe Wenzel
Joe Wenzel

@wingo43 He got a C+ rating.  Rated 14th top prospect in organization.

Wayno
Wayno

Is it working?? When do the wins come?? Sandy talks a big game, and every year nothing to show for it. Maybe after this years 75 win season people will see mr moneyball is not worth it.

beers22
beers22

@Jim Yager Obviously we're interested in these guys because of what they will potentially do at the ML level.  Not everyone will succeed, but having more top prospects give teams trade chips and more potentially successful players.  If you're only interested in the big league club and not what's coming down the pipeline, you can ignore them till they become major leaguers.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@Jim Yager True, but having prospects other teams believe in can potentially land us a proven Big League hitter.  Then it's their gamble, not ours.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@beers22 I agree that it's more towards top-10, but only because quality pitchers are so coveted.  I'm not saying teams don't covet quality hitters, but some of the more successful teams in the past 5 or so years have been built around pitching.

Maury Feldman
Maury Feldman

@mojorisin Bring him to Spring Training.  Try to trade Dan Murphy, Ike Davis, Lucas Duda for best return.  Put him at 2B if Murphy is traded.  Put him at 3B if Wright is injured.  More seasoning in AAA if no one is traded.  

If 1B were to open up somehow, you could see him or Murphy playing there.  I think they are waiting out the trade market and will make a move in Spring if an opportunity arises, and Flores is currently a wildcard.

slainte2
slainte2

@mojorisin 

Wilmer is too young and full of potential to sit or platoon ... no starting position for him right now.  I think the D.../Satin platoon at 1B gets two months to produce with Flores playing 1B every day in minors.  If the platoon is not working by June 1, bring Flores up for everyday job.  At least he will have another 50 games or so under his belt at 1B.

Ryan Flanagan
Ryan Flanagan

...and Rafael spelled Rafeal. Doesn't Matt get that annoying little squiggly line under an incorrectly spelled word like the rest of the computing world? 

beers22
beers22

@Victor Triguero doesn't happen overnight.  Obviously, they're looking to improve the offense, but there's only so much you can do.  They've drafted Nimmo, Cecchini, and Dom Smith.  Traded for Herrera.  Those guys are a few years away, but we'll see what we have in Puello, Flores, and TDA over the next couple of years. 

John Cucci
John Cucci

@Victor Triguero I really think Sandy is looking to use the SF model.  Stud pitching, one or two high profile bats (wright/granderson), and the rest are young prospects or mid tier FA signings.

ac0814
ac0814

I assume you meant Dom Smith. Also, do not sleep on Matz, he has some serious potential from the left side.

mojorisin
mojorisin

@mets2014@mojorisin  I think that is also a possibility, but what about this season ? AAA until September you think, barring an injury on the big club ?

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@John Cucci@Victor TrigueroSandy's not sent any signals out that say that... Actually all of his drafts have been Hitter's in the 1st rounds... Nimmo, Cecchini, Plawecki, Smith. 


What's he done is traded assets for Pitchers. You might start to see some of the P's be traded for bats closer to the big leagues when the depth starts to bubble over, similar to the TB rays moving Shields last year.

Ryan Flanagan
Ryan Flanagan

@John Cucci @Victor Triguero I'm all for that model personally. You see how hard it is to acquire pitching around this league. Think of how good the San Fran farm was to deal Wheeler for Beltran, which obviously was a mistake in hindsight but even having the ability to make that trade at the time shows how much talent they had. San Fran is a team that has done it from within, the only fear I have is they have a better front office at acquiring talent and better coaching to get the most out of it. Sometimes its a matter of having confidence and swagger...hell Buster Posey won a WS and probably couldn't grow a beard yet. The team believed...I just don't feel like I've seen those balls from this team in a long time.

John Cucci
John Cucci

@Victor Triguero Granderson isn't a high profile bat - he's a mid tier FA.  We still need another high profile bat.

drmetfan
drmetfan

@ac0814 Yes. Sorry, my bad. Dom Smith. Yeah I know. Matz has really good potential. Let's hope he can put his injuries behind him.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@beers22 @BringBackDaveTelghe Look closer at his numbers from last year.  His babip vs lefties was .424.....to put that into context, if he did that over an entire season it would be one point away from the best number for a season which is currently held by Babe Ruth.  Considering he has no power and really doesn't even hit the ball that hard, his meager numbers are due for insane regression.  There's a reason this guy has been in the minors forever, it's nice he got a chance but he just rode a little bit of a hot streak last year.

One of the biggest mistake a team rebuilding can make is misidentifying a player and counting on him for a level of production when it really is fool's gold.

beers22
beers22

@BringBackDaveTelghe @beers22 decent glove, .279 BA .781 ops, .317 and .880 against Lefties.  Not sure what you're looking for from a part time/ bench player.  Obviously, you're mind's made up on him though.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

It's tricky...Satin shouldn't be in the majors and Flores shouldn't be sitting on the bench.

mojorisin
mojorisin

@mets2014@mojorisin I know, that is my concern, he might just rot away on the bench until/unless Ike fails again and he's given time at 1B. If we were supposed to contend I'd be more in favor of him bolstering the bench but in a year like this it seems a waste of his development.

mets2014
mets2014

@mojorisin@mets2014 probably will come down to him and satin...tough call since I would rather see him get regular at bats, but in my opinion he would provide some much needed power off the bench