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Mets make second day draft picks

The Mets are making their picks in rounds three through 10 on Friday, the second day of the First Year Player Draft.


New York selected high school SS Milton Ramos with the No. 84 overall pick.

“People tell me he could play defense in the big leagues now,” Jonathan Mayo said of Ramos on the MLB.com draft show.

Ramos, 18, is listed at 6 foot 2 inches and 165 pounds. He hit .424 with a .500 OBP during his senior season.

“His bat isn’t as advanced as his glove,” according to the his draft profile on MLB.com. “He has minimal power now, but scouts expect him to develop some as he gets stronger.”

Ramos is considered one of the top defensive shortstops in this draft class (Baseball America, June 6).


With the No. 115 pick, the Mets picked college 3B Eudor Garcia.

At 5 foot 11 inches and 225 pounds, he likely won’t stick at third base, according to MLB.com’s draft show. Jim Callis suggested Garcia could eventually move to first base.

Garcia hit .460 with 14 home runs and a .873 slugging percentage this season. In his two seasons at college, he hit .435, with 23 home runs and 290 total bases. He was recently named a JUCO All-American (Chavez, June 4).

“One of the best hitters in the draft,” John Manuel of Baseball America said of Garcia (Twitter, June 6). “Where he plays defensively, we’ll see. But that dude rakes.”


With the No. 145 pick, the Mets selected RHP Josh Prevost out of Seton Hall University.

Prevost, listed at 6 foot 8 inches and 220 pounds, was the 2014 Big East Pitcher of the Year. He went 12-2 with a 1.62 ERA over 15 starts. He struck out 111 and walked 20 over 116 1/3 innings.


With the No. 175 pick in the draft, the Mets selected C Tyler Moore out of Louisiana State University.

On the MLB.com draft show, they commented that Moore was likely not an everyday catcher and might not stick at that position.

Moore hit .301 with a .484 slugging percentage last season. He hit 10 doubles and six home runs in 153 at bats.


The Mets selected LHP Brad Wieck out of Oklahoma City University with the No. 205 pick in the draft. Wieck was originally drafted in the 2012 draft by the Phillies, but did not sign.

Wieck posted a 3.23 ERA over 69 2/3 news. He struck out 118 and walked 23.

He is listed a 6 foor 9 inches and 230 pounds.


Mets selected 1B Dash Winningham out of high school with the No. 235 pick.


1B/OF Michael Katz, out of William & Mary, was the Mets’ pick in Round 9 of the draft.


The Mets select again with the No. 10 pick in rounds four through 40. Rounds three to 10 take place on Friday, while the rest happen on Saturday.


On Thursday, the Mets selected OF Michael Conforto out of Oregon State with the No. 10 overall pick in the first round. >> Read more about Conforto




132 comments
metjetnet
metjetnet

Examples of how SA's plan is working throughout the full-season system & where most of each team's players came from [records as of the last day of the 2014 draft]:

Low A: Savannah (39-19): 2013 col. draftees + HS plyrs from 2012 + Smith from HS 2013.

High A: St. Lucie (35-26): 2012 col. draftees + HS plyrs from 2011.

AA: Binghamton (31-28): 2011 col. draftees + HS plyrs from 2010 + a few FA & trade pick-ups.

AAA: Los Vegas (35-26): pre-2011 draft survivors + 3 Sandy draftees + a number of FA & trade pick-ups.

Except for Savannah, all these teams have cooled off a bit after red-hot starts (esp., St.L. & LV), when their records were insane -- which can be expected. 

Things will shift again fairly dramatically after the draft & league All-Star breaks, when marginal players can expect to be released to make way for promotions for key & productive players from all levels below them.

Then, this year's new crop of college guys go to Brooklyn and HS guys go to GCL & Kingsport. Last year's HS guys currently in Extended ST will head to one of the Rookie levels, on a per-case basis.

And the cycle continues...

metjetnet
metjetnet

Another note on Ramos: I see he was a projected 2nd-rounder (where we had no pick) as he is described as the slickest glove in the draft, who then dropped into the 3rd round. Sandy may have seen fortuitous value merge with organizational need, et Voila! Ramos is a Met.

metjetnet
metjetnet

Durham at 12, I'm not sure what they're seeing in this kid. No control, chunky, bad landing, no fluidity in that motion. Looks to be a major reclamation project.

Manoah at 13, however, has a beautiful delivery. Made me think a tiny bit of Mike Hampton's delivery, or Raphael Montero's. Very smooth, compact, and if this tape is any indication, repeatable. Nice. Will keep an eye out for him. 

metjetnet
metjetnet

Umm, there's no tape on our picks from Rounds 4 - 11? But there IS on picks 12 & 13?

Ummmm...

metjetnet
metjetnet

OK, now in the 11th - 13th rounds, we're starting to see the Attack of the RHPs & The HS kids… The future must be served. 

Decent future prospects? Or the dreaded Organization Players to fill out rosters?

Aidan Maslow
Aidan Maslow

Mets should use their 11th round pick to select Kel Johnson. They definitely have the money to sign him given that they did not have a second round pick.

MetFanSince68
MetFanSince68

Mets stacking up on 1st basemen?. I assume Dash Winningham will prefer to go to college instead of competing with all the 1st base draftees from the Mets. 

Doubleday
Doubleday

Speaking of the draft, where is our PTBNL from the Ike Davis trade?

Frank Monastra
Frank Monastra

liking what im reading about these Mets picks so far, yes it's a crap shoot but these guys have great potential

Michael Mee
Michael Mee

Mets love drafting huge pitchers. 6'9" wow! 

hankincolo
hankincolo

How's this for the crap-shoot of it all. Today's Denver Post, a sportswriter points out the Rockies have picked very high in the draft in recent years and selected or traded for pitchers, taken before guys like Verlander and Scherzer. The guys they picked up before those two, among others, have been busts.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

If anyone had any idea what they were drafting, this draft would be 10 rounds and not 40.   Since baseball drafting is the lowest form of guesswork, they fling as many turds as they can toward the wall and hope that one or two stick.  This draft is stupid, and to say you "like" someone picked in the third round is ridiculous.  It's a little known fact that these  pull it outta yer arse prognosticators that write these projections spend the offseason composing the smarmy crap you get in store bought greeting cards.  Just thought you should know that. 

hankincolo
hankincolo

So uh, this Eudor Garcia kid...what was the quote?.... "where he plays defensively we'll see, but that Dude rakes." Isn't that what they said about Wilmer? 

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Paul Lo Duca called Minaya an idiot on WFAN's Joe and Evan show today.  Gotta love this team.

mets2891
mets2891

This whole process is such a crapshoot.  The idea that any of the posters on here know anything about how these guys will turn out is laughable.  Open up the wallets, Wilpons, because what we DO know is that the team is terrible.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Scratching my head over the high school shortstop.  Ramos sounds good, but the problem with teenage shortstops is that they get older, develop, and turn into first or third basemen. 

oblique
oblique

@Aidan Maslow That doesn't mean anything. They don't get the slot money for not having a pick.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

How would they field a rookie league team with 10 draft picks?

metjetnet
metjetnet

@hankincolo

It's OK. That's why they picked Ramos (great glove, no bat) -- to balance all those great bat/no field guys…

That Sandy… always thinkin', always thinkin'...

dave42
dave42

@hankincolo  does sound vaguely familiar.  I do believe Wilmer will hit.  He's usually taken a while to get comfortable at the next level and he's still so young.  As for Eudor, who can say?  But clearly we need guys who can hit.

metjetnet
metjetnet

@Macacawitz Interesting. Actually, LoDuca is the comp I've always seen for d'Arnaud -- w/o the 'roids, if course. I'm not sure how d'A is gonna get himself untracked here now, but when he does, he seems to me to have a lot of similarities to Paul's game. Which I'd be very happy with.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@Macacawitz Just listened to the playback on the interview. He also said, the Mets are headed in the right direction and they're one or two kids away.

dave42
dave42

@mets2891  of course it's a crapshoot.  I enjoy seeing how the Mets are looking to improve the team (not necessarily how they WILL improve, just what their plan is).  This year it seems they're drafting offense, not all-around players like Nimmo or Dom Smith.  And certainly no emphasis on pitching so far.  Bats. 

metjetnet
metjetnet

@Sean Garcia Yep, I, too, was thinking that if this draft doesn't pan out, that the Wilpons can still apply for an NBA franchise in Queens...

mets1973
mets1973

@flmetsfan Short stops are considered the best athletes. Not all of them stay at SS, BIG PAPI started out as a SS as did Robin Yount.  You are looking for tools at this stage and you can take a talented kid and maybe teach him another position.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@flmetsfan  Well some obviously have to stay at SS or else what position did most of the MLB SS's play as teenagers?

metjetnet
metjetnet

@flmetsfan @hankincolo

At this point, wouldn't you take a field of 8 Daniel Murphys? It'd be different -- we'd end up winning a number of 11-9 games, instead of losing a bushel of 4-2 games.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Sh Alexander @Macacawitz Lo Duca can have his opinion just like the rest of them.  It's interesting to see what he thought that Minaya.  I would like to see what he thinks of Alderson.

Even better!  I'll just tune in to TVG around 9:00 to see what he thinks about California Chrome winning the Belmont.  He's quite a horse handicapper now.

metjetnet
metjetnet

@dave42 @mets2891 I agree, Dave. 

Looking at the full-year teams in the system, they're teams made up of SA's picks & training, and the last of Omar's picks who've caught onto the program rather than be shipped out. The result is, each team is riding roughshod over its respective league. The laggard has been Binghamton & even they're playing well. Vegas was kicking serious booty in the PCL until the Mets began ravaging their roster for spare parts over the last month & a half -- and they're doing OK after that. 

The point is, Sandy's approach is working -- even if more slowly than he or we would like. Plus, having Harvey, Thor, Nimmo all get hurt, Wheeler struggle & d'A being clueless in the batter's box were all the farthest things from any of our minds, slowing down the plan. 

This year, SA's focusing on the holes that remain after seeing how his 1st 3 drafts have shaken out. And our biggest holes? Bats. Big Bats. Big Bats that Can Help Us Soon. And SS.

So, SIX out of the 1st NINE picks: BATS, and FOUR of those SIX are college bats, expected to see Queens sooner than later; no HS pitcher bundle, no bats-in-a-few-years types.

What we've got here is a plan; and a plan that is having great success.

And a MLB roster of pre-plan guys getting the bends trying to completely re-tool their habitual skills & learn the plan on the fly. Many of the pre-plan guys in Vegas are also struggling with it, but are young enough to have a tiny bit more success catching on to it...

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@mets1973 @flmetsfan Then why comment about him fielding on a Major League level already.  If the guy is going to play outfield or first base in four years, what is the sense of talking about his shortstop skills.

You talk about superior shortstop skills if you are trying to get people excited about him being a shortstop.

Then again, I see your point.  The Mets just can't say, "We drafted this high school shortstop that has some skills, he'll develop into something someday."

I stand corrected.

P.S. Yount was a hell of a Major League shortstop for ten years with the Brewers before he was converted.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Brian Webster @flmetsfan If your drafting for depth at SS, you want a SS that you can rely on being around in three years or so.  If your simply taking the best available player, then so be it.  I understand that all the Major League SS were high school SS at one time, but what percentage of them actually stay within the physical boundaries of a SS in time for Major League competition, 10%, 15%, 20%?

"He's fielding on a Major League level now, but his bat needs to develop?"  Translation: We're hyping him as the 2018 Mets starting shortstop.

metjetnet
metjetnet

@flmetsfan Yep, flmetsfan, I believe this is the point.

And remember that some of these picks are NOT just about the kid himself, but how that particular kid fits into the system.

Look at our entire farm system -- lots of our SSs, from rookie to AAA are already being converted, or will be later. The ones remaining, e.g., Tovar, are natural SSs, but can't hit enough to warrant promoting. But even Tovar has less-than-perfect range at SS. Matt Reynolds is the only one who's stayed there so far, due to his bat, and even HE was drafted to be a utility player. He's held his own defensively, to his credit. HE'S more of your Yount type.

Now, look at the tape on Ramos -- do we have ANYONE remotely that quick & fast in our system. ANS.: No.

To take him that high, 1) they must feel he's gonna stick as a fast-track SS to fill their hole there in Queens; 2) that he's gonna develop into a hitter; 3) they're gonna teach him to hit as much as will be necessary to keep him on his projected path; 4) they see top-of-the-order speed (which is non-existent in the system). Ramos is a whippet. I'm seeing more a Jose Reyes/Buddy Harrelson type here, than a Robin Yount or Cal Ripken type.

Stevie Styles
Stevie Styles

@flmetsfan Ramos is not only projected to stay at short stop in the long term, but potentially be a well above average major league shortstop (if he makes it there, it would be 4 or so years away so who knows what can happen; he may not hit at all or get injured etc since high school players are so far away).  However, the vast majority of Ramos' value lies in the fact that he is projected to be a very good defensive short stop who stays at the position.  But there are many high school short stops who  scouts pick while knowing that they will fill out and switch positions as they age.  In this case, however, Ramos is projected to stay at shortstop.  Scouts are almost certain of that.

Sh Alexander
Sh Alexander

@flmetsfan uhm... Yes. That's what selecting a 18 year old is for? You improve your farm system by selecting medium ceiling high floor ready soon type players AND high ceiling high risk players. It's ridiculous for you to knock a pick because hes young when THATS THE PURPOSE OF THE PICK.