Mets have mastered eye-rolls when it comes to Harvey

The Mets were not pleased to learn Matt Harvey traveled to Cape Cod to spend time with friends, after requesting asking for a few days off due to knee pain, according to columnist Joel Sherman (NY Post, Aug. 15)

Earlier this week, Terry Collins expressed frustration when learning that Harvey had done a live radio interview with ESPN 98.7 FM during his team’s game against the Nationals on Wednesday night. Earlier that day, Collins and Sandy Alderson learned Harvey ignored their request to slow down his rehab, despite a phone call the day before, after which returned to the mound in St. Lucie for his scheduled bullpen session.


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Collins said Thursday that he again talked to Harvey by phone, 1) to let him know he should not be doing phone interviews during games because it “looks bad,” writes Sherman, and 2) to tell him he will not pitch in a game during 2014.

“You have got to understand the big picture, and the big picture is 2015,” Collins said he told Harvey. “So, back off.”

According to Sherman, “the Mets describe two Harveys,” one that is focused and cooperative on field, but another that is trying to out-Manzieling Johnny Manziel in the public and on social media.

In other words, Sherman says, “Mets officials have mainly mastered the eye roll when it comes to Harvey’s behavior.”


miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: I’m torn on this Harvey situation… I can’t apologize for thinking Harvey is awesome. I love that he’s bold, aggressive and focused on being the best player in baseball, all while doing it with a little flash. … At the same time, it would be totally devastating and demoralizing if he injured himself and had to sit out another season >> Read more from yesterday




284 comments
shawnp6986
shawnp6986

When my favorite player Reyes left I was sick about it,but I couldn't just go be a Miami and now Bjays fan obviously. Then Harvey steps in and quickly became my new Met favorite for obvious reasons,some of the same reasons that he is now catching hell from the Mets FO.We really haven't had a bada$$ type player since the 86 team and a few with the early 2000's teams.

These type guys are who I grew up loving as ball players (86),the MrSoftie type guys and approach don't really do it for me,there are exceptions though with a guy like Olerud who I respected immensely.

But,the more and more I'm hearing about Harvey lately I don't know what to think or how to feel about it,like Cerrone,I'm torn right now.The most important thing I and all of us want is that bulldog on the mound on opening 2015,a healthy Harvey first and foremost. He's the type of guy that owns the spotlight,and right now its obvious he's struggling with not getting the attention he's use to when he's on the mound.I'll continue to be a Harvey apologists and support the dude,but even I can see and say that he needs to learn how to turn it down a notch.

I hardly ever agree with TC and or Alderson and I hate to say it,but they are right about him not pitching this season,its totally unnecessary, Matt.As far as his rehab though,I think as long as he's healthy and things are on or ahead of schedule that he should be able to throw at will or on schedule with no bearing as to what happened to Hef,unfortunately for him.That's like saying,well my neibor just got in to a car accident so now I shouldn't drive cause I possibly could get in to one.Anything can happen at anytime to anyone,can't live in continual fear though.

LGM-Changing topics but,I'm excited to get a close look at Baez and even Castro,haven't followed them closely or seen at least Baez play much,will be interesting.

crimsondad
crimsondad

Matt will be a Yankee as soon as he's free agent eligible. Boras will see to that.We have him 4 more years then he's gone.

Paul LeBarron
Paul LeBarron

SO Terry Collins is calling the rehab for Harvey?

Paul LeBarron
Paul LeBarron

Bottom line Harvey is a dick but so what. TC and the current gang are a bunch of babies. They got too much Piazza ion them.

artsky
artsky

I just don't see the problem with Harvey ahead of schedule. Why not let him go at his pace and start a game o r2 in Sept?  What do they want to do,wrap him in bubble wrap until Feb?  Let him pitch if he gets that far, and see how he does. Then maybe you won't have to shut him down in August next year. Being careful with the comeback is no guarantee that everything will go well.  Look at Atlanta, and for us,Hefner.

xplr
xplr

TC telling Harvey what to do is like some little leaguer telling Lagares how to play CF.

John Connolly
John Connolly

mets mastered  being a losing org now and into future and Harvey will be rolling W s for Yanks

Paul A DeCesare
Paul A DeCesare

Ah give Harvey a break, he's missed the entire season and probably getting a bit batty. He'll be back next season and focused on helping the Mets win a world series.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

If I was Harvey, I would have told Terry on the phone, "when you can beat the Nats on your turf, then I'll listen to you. Until then, you back off. I'm the future, you're not."

Jeremy Roberts
Jeremy Roberts

The larger issue is that the Mets keep on exposing these internal conflicts that really should be kept between the team and Harvey. I think Harvey is being a complete moron; however, the Mets reprimanding him is none of my business.

All I should be hearing this season are, "Harvey is throwing on this date, will be on pace to do X,Y, and Z. " anything else is between him and the mets. Instead, it seems there's more conflict than rehab. Harvey is going to jump ship as soon as he reestablished his value. I'm tired of this team being a joke. Both parties end up looking awful.

robby
robby

The Mets need guys with cohones like Harvey.  He reminds me of the 1986 guys.  Don't listen to Collins he's a fool

nydavid42
nydavid42

This isn't just about Harvey, it shines a bright light on 2 of the Mets biggest weaknesses. Ray Ramirez and Jay Horwitz. A couple of guys the Mets needed to replace years ago. Player discipline and workouts are handled by coaches and GM’s – but a PR man and head trainer who can’t control the flow of information and injury assessment/recovery in the today’s game need to be replaced.

They both seem to have no control over their departments.

Just another area where Fred, Jeff, TC and Sandy have no clue how to run a MLB organization, and never fire people who accept failure and incompetent performance as a way of doing business.

illnagas
illnagas

Anyone who does the opposite of TCs advice is ok in my book.

C Nerrie
C Nerrie

Re the Boras research reported by  Tarheel11, I remember reading that. 

So why are these doctors letting their patients pitch at 11 to 12 months!? If there's reason to believe that 14-16 is better, then make it 14-16 -- especially when the surgery was in the off-season so that 14-16 months is perfect timing for Spring Training the following year.

And why was Hefner not on the slower schedule?   What a disaster.  Not only does the ligament fail but a bone breaks!

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

I have a question.  Per the newspaper report, Harvey said he "felt like" he was throwing in the 90s, as if it were just a guess.  If he doesn't know how hard he's throwing, I can only assume the club really doesn't know how hard he's throwing, either.  If he's only supposed to throw at "x" percent of full velocity at a given stage--which is the correct thing to do--why in the heck are they not putting a radar gun on him during his throwing sessions so a) he's got a measurable target to hit and b) they can monitor it, i.e., "Hey, Matt, that was 80 mph.  Dial it back some.  We're only going for about 70 today."

This is a major-league baseball franchise (in name, anyway).  Surely, they can rustle up at least one radar gun in both New York and Port St. Lucie for their All-Star pitcher's rehab program.

I'm not a big "LOLMetsDocs" guy, but it seems like every other day during this process something gets said that just screams "amateurish."

manicmesia
manicmesia

The Mets were pushing Happy Harvey day last year harder than anyone, they helped create this media attention and now regret it, but were happy to buy in when it put money in their pockets.

Chayse Hiller
Chayse Hiller

I don't agree with Harvey's behavior here...he hasn't proved himself enough yet to be acting this cocky. It's not healthy for him, his teammates respect for him, his club, or his fans respect for him. Yeah, he proved to us for one year that he could be a dominant pitcher, but that was one year, he screwed up not telling us that his arm hurt, and in the end he needed TJ for his arm.

Not the way a star (still UP AND COMING) player should be acting. It's very Bryce Harper like, and it's not appealing. I'm a huge Matt Harvey fan, I have been since he was a Tar Heel, but this is getting ridiculous.

I have to say, management is doing the right thing. Put him on a leash if he can't be trusted. It's crazy some of you are BLAMING management, it boggles my mind.

If Adam Wainwirght and Clayton Kershaw can keep a level head with all their success, so can Harvey, and he's not showing it now.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

"Most of the doctors tell you they like to see 14 months."

With a lack of concise information and approach to handling baseball's rash of elbow injuries that have led to Tommy John surgery, Boras has done his own internal research. The data says that being conservative is key -- an explanation why his timeline is longer than Harvey's or even the Mets'.

"Certainly the timetable works wonderful where (Harvey) can really get a throwing program, start to work off the mound, do all this," Boras said. "The doctors are always telling us, that 14 to 16 month period, they’re having the higher success rates than they are the 10 to 12 month period. So is that a definitive measure, and the doctors will always tell you they’re unsure. But with elite athletes, high (velocity) guys, to air on conservatism and more time, I think is the proper course."


That's from his agent, Scott Boras. last month. 


http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2014/07/scott_boras_matt_harveys_agent_preaches_conservative_approach_in_return_from_tommy_john_surgery.html

capra38
capra38

When did this kid become Tom Seaver?  He has 12 career wins.  Tell him to shut up and do what he's told.  35 years ago there was a "can't miss" prospect named Tim Leary.  Somebody should tell Matt that story.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@crimsondad

Probably sooner as the Wilpons are trying to create a wedge between him and the fans by leaking the news that he won't listen to them.  

The Wilpons need to sell the team before they screw it up any further !!!!

Paul LeBarron
Paul LeBarron

@artsky  sorry big guy having people in the stands actually wanting to see someone play in a Mets uniform is evidently not good.

metsnjets
metsnjets

He's not going to have a future if he keeps acting like a complete moron.

specialk
specialk

@Jeremy Roberts I keep hearing that he's going to jump ship. He can't be a free agent till after 2019.  Terry and Sandy will be long gone and who knows what shape the franchise will be in and how successful they will have been. It's a little ridiculous to speculate and what a guy is going to do 5 years down the line

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@nydavid42 You know, I've wondered about Jay at times. But I've just come to the conclusion that the way the Mets mishandle almost everything they do in the public eye is on the Wilpons. At the end of the day, they're Jay's boss, not the other way around. The way they air dirty laundry in public, and do things like all that garbage they were intentionally leaking about Ike Davis last year for instance, that's just the Wilpons way of doing business. I don't think they'll ever change.

nncyel
nncyel

@nydavid42  And here I thought I only had to worry about who the Mets are going to get to play left field next year. I had no idea I was going to have to worry about who to get to replace Horowitz. Perhaps the Cubs have a good PR man and we can get him along with one of their SS. In addition to Syndergaard, what do you think we need to give up to get him? den Dekker?

You know, you write like a really smart person. Obviously well educated. So it puzzles me, how does someone as obviously smart as you come up with such a boneheaded leap of logic? Matt Harvey firing off like the loose cannon he is, becomes absolute proof that department heads need to be fired and the quartet of Mets owners and top management have no clue? I mean, the Chris Young signing is pretty good evidence for incompetency so I'm not absolving the quartet, but this Matt Harvey kerfuffle? Come on.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@C Nerrie From what I understand there appears to be some differences in the rehab depending upon the surgeon. We had a guy who pitched for our organization last year and he had TJ November 1st of last year. 

I just talked to his dad and he said the surgeon is supposedly one of the best in the northeast and the comment was "his rehab protocal is completely different than Dr Andrews and consistent regardless of the degree of the tear".

And he is still only throwing off flat ground at 70%. Harvey had his surgery a week earlier.I'm no doctor and I never claimed to be but apparently this surgeon told him there is a lot of debate right now about the rehab. 

Olerud42
Olerud42

And because he's "only 12-10"

Sal
Sal

@Tarheel11 Boras has a vested financial interest in Harvey being as conservative as possible. Is that where you want to get your medical opinion?


If you trust a guy to cut you open and perform a surgery, you have to trust his plan for your rehabilitation after surgery.  Otherwise, pick another surgeon.


Why should the Mets team timetable, or Scott Boras's WebMD timetable matter more than the doctor-patient relationship between Andrews and Harvey?


As long as Harvey is following doctors' orders, no one -not the Mets, not their fans, not his own agent - no one has a right to criticize what the guy is doing.

Whiskey Sam McGee
Whiskey Sam McGee

@Tarheel11 Boras is not his doctor.  His doctor has cleared him.  His doctor is the leading expert on the surgery and rehab.  I'll stick with the doctor's opinion over the agent's.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@capra38  Right, and it was the Mets who killed his career by leaving him out there on a cold rainy day.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@capra38  We have already seen how the Mets operate. Harvey not doing what the Mets tell him is the right thing to do. Just ask Beltran.

jsecurity
jsecurity

Cause he sure isn't a manager.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@metsnjets  He won't have a future with the Mets. He'll have his choice of 29 other futures.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@C Nerrie Jeez, his father just emailed me the rehab protocol and it's 7 pages long! 

hankypanky
hankypanky

Ah, another disgruntled Valdespin lover, I see. Dr. Harvey's notion of a major leaguer is to emulate Jeter's record of dating models, not to emulate Jeter's presence in the clubhouse.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@cleonsvan @metsnjets

The Mets organization is the blueprint for how to continue screwing things up.  They have one true gem on their team and they decide to fight with him about his rehab via the media...........BRILLIANT.

Keep acting like an organization that is quite petty and has all the answers,  and start focusing on how to attract Free Agent players with a better strategy than fighting with your own players.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Then I suspect we are all board hating the Wilpons. Be careful who you call a Wilpon-lover in the future.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@BronsonSNY @bklyndude @cleonsvan @metsnjets

How does everybody know that Matt Harvey is not rehabbing the way the Mets want him to ?

Answer:  the Mets organization is making it known through their various media sources.

Possible reasons: the Mets would entertain trade offers for somebody who doesn't tow the company line and fans would agree with ownership if there is a good enough reason.

Olerud42
Olerud42

@hankypanky Er, I wasn't talking to you I was talking to Capra, who clearly is a Wilpon lover. 

capra38
capra38

Feeling that a kid with 12 career wins and possibly a fragile right arm shouldn't be allowed to make his own rules makes me a Wilpon lover?  That's some interesting logic.  I have posted here a few times before, this may be my first post that does not trash Jeffy Wilpon.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Olerud42 @hankypanky Yes, because if you think Matt Harvey is ever wrong about anything, that is clearly the only logical conclusion.....

duras23
duras23

@Eddie_Dean @Olerud42 @hankypanky Thats the part I'm not getting. How come wanting this rookie to keep his mouth shut makes you a "Wilpon Lover". The Wilpons are a joke. Doesn't mean a rookie should do anything he wants. Earn it. 

Olerud42
Olerud42

@duras23 @Eddie_Dean @Olerud42 @hankypanky Actually it means that the rookie should do anything that goes against " the joke" in the case that the rookie is actually a great player. 

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Olerud42 @Eddie_Dean @hankypanky Well then you are schizophrenic and failing to accept reality as it is. Because I both hate the Wilpons and simultaneously think Harvey was dead wrong for doing that interview. And it appears from this board that I'm not alone in that opinion.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Olerud42 @Eddie_Dean @hankypanky No, you're delusional though. You're entire premise is "If A (criticizing Harvey), then must be B (love the Wilpons)" despite the fact that there are a lot of people on here who clearly prove that A and B are not correlated at all.

nncyel
nncyel

@Olerud42 @Eddie_Dean @capra38 As in impartial observer who just came into this conversation, can I suggest to you Olerud42 that you're proving yourself to be a first class jerk. If you don't want to try more hardcore drugs, Valerian is a natural  alternative for the sort of anger management issues you seem to be having.